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Do people actually randomize alignment for hoods? I hear that said a lot, but know of absolutely no proof that shows that

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Lol kuribo’s scum

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I’ve like tried to catch up, and I’m physically reading, but it just isn’t sticking in my head right now. Anyone else get like that sometimes?

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I’m in a trolling headspace, but it’s Team Mafia. That’s the explanation.

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I’ll try to be here.

If anyone needs me, just go

“YO FLAVOR” then ask something, and I’ll do my darndest.

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I guess I’ll 1v1 dave. Interested in seeing what happens

VOTE: Davesaz

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I’ll try to be here.

If anyone needs me, just go

“YO FLAVOR” then ask something, and I’ll do my darndest.

This is me essentially screaming for someone to give me a reason to get emotionally invested so I’m not deadpan.

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Dave’s played with me way too much to know I take some time to pounce into my town games to immediately go straight towards a vote, so I’m curious on the follow up.

I like to make a grand entrance; i take over games too much with the present of my presence

lol

, so i like to come in and out.

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I’ll try to be here.

If anyone needs me, just go

“YO FLAVOR” then ask something, and I’ll do my darndest.

This is me essentially screaming for someone to give me a reason to get emotionally invested so I’m not deadpan.

Because I want you to be town this game so we don't end up pissing on each other for forty pages and because if we're both town this'll be easy mode

I guess this is kind of townie.

The only time I remember playing with you and interacting with you is when I was town and you were scum in Pastries.

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The day is still early

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Butts are townie

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you're a wet butt

That’s locktown.

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Can anyone turn Fakran’s wall post into like 2-3 sentences?

I’m curious about if people can do that, not moreso on not wanting to read the wall, if that makes sense.

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Speaking of wet butts, I’m going to go take a shower.

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Fl link a town game you started off disinterested in. I just saw a scumgame where you weren’t your usual playful self.

I’m going to go find a single random town game out there

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I was in a hydra here, but look at the Baezu Leaf ISO.

Then look at like my first 5 posts. I signed them all.

My town game is the epitome of “dgaf until I do”

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This game also started yesterday, Dave. Pushing me for not coming out of the gate blazing...

Would you like me to come out blazing?

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Fakran’s posting style seems like Scum Brian Skies, if anyone gets that.

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Is this your first year on site or are you older returning?

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My eye’s on Fakran. I want them to be noted on that. They already felt it if they’re scum.

I’m neutral on them right now, not null, if that makes sense.

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Looks like I’m not the only one taking that route, but I’m gonna go ahead and lay down an

FoS: Chennisden

Based on I have a paranoid feeling of them seeing that I was eyeing Fakran, and then made the play to add more steam there in hopes it would pick up.

Tinfoil’y, but yeah.

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Wall

Can anyone turn Fakran’s wall post into like 2-3 sentences?

I’m curious about if people can do that, not moreso on not wanting to read the wall, if that makes sense.

Fakran’s posting style seems like Scum Brian Skies, if anyone gets that.

Also not sure what you're trying to pull here FL, since my wall was before your first

mention

of Farkran.

Are you implying that you saying wall is pushing Fakran here?

Be forewarned, if you actually said something prior, then I am mistaken, but if you’re implying that “wall” is you pushing Fakran prior to me, that’s just hilarious regardless of your alignment

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Yeah, I could.

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But I like the idea of you just saying wall better for comedy

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And I even said in my post, that if you did say something, I would be mistaken.

You pushing it still ignores that notion.

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It comes across as you putting on a show moreso than you trying to prove to me you were right, as I had already brought up the fact that you very well could be. I’m not paying much attention. I’m at work.

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Anybody wanna ask their teams about Scum Brian Skies with zero context if they aren’t caught up for me?

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FL you are doing a really good job putting words in my mouth that weren't there

Someone’s getting Third Degree Boon’d, they just don’t know it yet.

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I’ll be here for like 20 minutes, then I’m climbing for a few hours. Gimme the dirt now please

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Oh by the way I don't necessarily think Farkran is scum.
I feel like he's getting shit on for his playstyle (I don't actually know his playstyle at all, but based on the patterns I've seen, it looks like one.)
I don't townread him either though.

This is about where I’m at.

I don’t even think it’s a bad playstyle by any means, and I’ve never played with them, and I am getting slight vibes of Scum Brian Skies, who I had a pretty good track record of reading. He’s not Brian Skies, though.

After seeing he is rather new, it makes more sense, mixed in with Chennis being scummy, i just need some more really.

I didn’t like Fakran’s last post on Chennis, though.

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Oh, this is the Volpe scum game I’ve heard about.

Imma go ahead and shut this Chennis wagon down.

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I don’t know anything about that game, so that doesn’t mean anything to me.

The timing of your Chennis push was perfect to gain support as a town leader, and dominate the rest of the game.

I said I was Third Degree Boon’ing someone, I guess we found out who it was.

VOTE: Volpe

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Chennis, we’re past that

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I think you made a solid scum play by making the case on Chennis when you did.

A lot of people push people for playing poorly, but 9/10 scum aren’t going to be doing things that come across poorly.

When I’m scum, I actively try to play poorly because it comes off better than being lock town.

If you’re totally lock town as scum early game, you gotta work still

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I don’t think a leader needs to be the one saying the most, the leader needs to be the one setup to have the people follow them when they do speak.

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You hang onto a mere fragment of what I’m saying, and trail off with that, but I’m pushing it as a conjoined whole thing.

The case you made had I not stepped in, would have had Chennis wagon take off based on the support it had right prior.

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It’s Page 14, I think it’s incredibly valuable discussion. Much more than running around in circles with Fakran and Chennis.

I feel right now that you are scum who doesn’t like, or even think there is, a case on them, and granted, I very much realize I need more, and I could be wrong. Again, it’s page 14, but by no means is that not an avenue that I want to just ignore.

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I’m one of the biggest flip floppers on site, but that’s because my reads evolve rather than flip, if that makes sense.

I may be pushing you incorrectly. If I am, show me. Otherwise we just running in circles. Push your Chennis case more if you feel like it, but I’ll be here to shut it down.

I just got to my gym, I’ll be climbing for about 2 hours. Do your thing. I’ll return soon.

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I actually made the push before you were trying to town block, or if you did the town block before, you ninja’d me.

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Then talk about it more. I’m not stopping you.

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You’re just hung up on my push, and I’m replying back to you.

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I absolutely don’t remember a single post you made prior to the Chennis push.

I don’t believe i acted like I read your ISO.

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I play in real time most of the time, and go back and do work when I’m by myself

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You’re talking like I have more than one argument.

The only thing I’m pushing you for is the sheer timing of the Chennis wagon, and now it’s a little because of the defensive nature of it.

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Also unless I missed something major "Volpe's scumcase on Chennis" does not exist

It was practically a naked vote

With fluff

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I guess it wasn’t a case. It’s really just the timing of it all.

Like, it was scummy timing, even if they flip town, it was scummy timing.

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I don’t need you to tell me how to town read you, i need you to show me i should town read you

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because if Chennis flips scum in this scenario I would need to lynch you as a matter of fact.

Because as scum, I go from pushing them hard, then immediately backtracking as soon as the wagon comes up? That brings absolutely zero benefit to a scumChennis/FL team.

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I disagree with that last statement hard.

As scum, I know exactly what’s going on from literally every single person’s perspective

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And why should I take this push seriously. I pushed it as much as I needed to. You just keep responding, and I’m a reactionary player. You’re here to comment, I’m here to reply.

Your trajectory mixed in with defensiveness is scummy to me, which has added discussion and reasoning to my initial comment and vote.

If that changes, I’ll change it.

I push gamestate reads. Just because I town read someone or scum read them, doesn’t mean that’s what I think they are, that’s just what it’s coming across as.

In forkbomb, I scumread Flubbernugget, which meant I town read him, and that’s how I forked Bins out of nowhere.

I say my thoughts transparently, and it allows me to take a step back later and evaluate why exactly I’m thinking that. Is that person actually scummy or is scum positioning themselves to make that happen. Is scum even doing anything?

Your defensiveness and flip changes that.

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I felt like, the game was starting to go somewhere useful and you bang in and say "I've not read the thread but that sole vote is pretty scummy so let's go with that push" which can throw off the good direction/development it was going to? What is also...what I think scum you would do when town start gaining cohesion?

Not that you necessarily would be scum but I don't think it's something positive to be doing here.

edit: as scum you also try to claim that you would do better than what you're doing, constantly. so what? I do that too.

I disagree that this isn’t useful. 100%. If anything, this is more useful.

I don’t believe I claimed I would be doing better here, so I don’t understand that. I also don’t have a scum meta. Every single one of my scum games this year were forced to be drastically different.

I claim that as town, as can be seen in Skitter’s DC nom first paragraph.

Also, I have stated multiple times I am a far superior town player than I am a scum player. The people just don’t know it yet, but i have a lot of great solves over the years. I don’t think this was my best town year by any means, as I got mislynched like 3 times? Which is rough because previously I had gone about 2 years without being mislynched.

You’re grasping at straws with these statements.

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And why should I take this push seriously

Maybe I'm being over the top with this but it really gives me deja vu of the numerous times the game was going to a useful trajectory and you come around to disturb it as either town or scum with a push from nowhere

I mean sure, you might have saved games with those pushes too but I know this isn't the case here?

Then why are you hung up on it?

Skitter literally kills me everytime she’s scum against me (idk if this is true, but I feel like it is, and I have one game in mind this year that proves it) because of my unpredictability, a la me switching my reads on a dime as town.

Jingle, sorry, Bingle, as scum in Detective Penguin brought up likely having to kill me off because my best strength as town is my ability to reevaluate, so if you are town, you have zero need to continue this.

I’m not the one changing the trajectory of the game, you are.

I’m just living in the moment.

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Like, your scum game is successful FL, you've a DC nom this year and a good number of victories, and regardless of whatever you might want to say here, I think one of the reasons is that you can come from nowhere and start changing things with those random pushes, and people don't hold you accountable for it because "it's just what FL does", but I'm not really letting that roll off here.

"I'm a flip flopper" is a pretty great, convenient sleeve trick to come with whatever you want when you need it.

Sure, but your flip from defending yourself to offense when I haven’t even really pushed you rather than just stating I think it was scummy of you on the timing of the Chennis vote (now the defensiveness) is scummy, especially because you’re essentially pushing a “Can’t blame me for doing a BoP” push.

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I’ve essentially read the entire game, but I’m out and about.

I have checked the rest of your posts after this exchange, and they still don’t really mean anything.

You’re acting like I’m pushing you for different reasons than I am.

I don’t care that you were pushing a town block. It’s the timing of your vote on Chennis.


What’s really damning is Chennis and Fakran disappearing after we started, and the lack of responses during this.

This is why you pushing like this is pointless is just plain untrue.


Honestly, Colors is one of those games I replaced into as town, and just tried my hardest to not replace out. I don’t remember a single moment of that game.

This is not like that moment, this is Team Mafia.

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I make much more sense as scum

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However, i don’t feel im not making sense here. This is rather straightforward

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Idc about the votes, it’s the gamestate.

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I really don’t even care that it happened. I’m just seeing how much juice you got in the defensive wagon of yours.

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Scum are probably just coasting seeing where this exchange goes.

If Chennis/Fakran are both town, scum are hardcoasting.

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It’s not optimal to talk about what we think is scummy?

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Isn’t that the case for everyone trying to solve the game? How is it lol wagoning? You have 2 votes on you.

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I have 2 votes on me from actual lol votes.

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I think the funniest part in all of this is that, no offense, FL's accusation was honestly extremely bad and the basis of it was nonsense, but your reaction to it actually made the move work in my opinion lol

This second reaction to my vote honestly cements the impression I had when reading your reaction to FL's posts. I think Volpe now has a lot of chances to flip scum off that alone.

pedit: How is my vote a bad vote?

This is actually extremely scummy.

If Volpe flips scum, then no, the push on Volpe wasn’t bad at all. It would be 100% correct.

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Im the human form of a LooneyToon, I just have really animated logic, but I feel there’s always solid logic.

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She's saying the

basis

of the push is bad

Which I hard disagree with, especially if Volpe were to flip scum.

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I also didn’t hard push, I just voted.

People act like I’m some pariah god here. Without any meta on me as a player, this would have been taken much better.


Also, Volpe’s scum list is literally a combination of anyone going after him.

I feel scum are more likely to defend townVolpe in this scenario, so if Volpe is town, dave is probably lock scum.

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I honestly think {Farkran Volpe} has a chance of being scum together

That means Volpe would have been chainsawing you, and who really chainsaws nowadays.

It’s all about Hatcheting.

Actually, hatcheting is out now too. It’s all about seducing this year.

I should make a thread glossary. There was a lot of new terms I used this year.

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Volpe wagon is dumb as fuck and whoever is on that wagon for non-meme reasons should feel bad.

This could quite possibly be a mass hatcheting.

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Volpe wagon is dumb as fuck and whoever is on that wagon for non-meme reasons should feel bad.

It’s also not a wagon, it’s 2 votes, and my reasoning is completely fine.

Nomnom had okay reasoning.

So you’re gonna have to do a lot more than some fluff discrediting post if you’re too be taken seriously here.

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@Nomnom - if Volpe is town, they have me pushing them. Scum will position themselves on both sides. They wouldn’t need to join my side just yet. They’d get enough pressure based on my push.

Dave’s also lock scum, and you can see how he’s positioning.

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Like don’t get me wrong, I’m much less into the Volpe push than I was a few pages ago, which is inherently the point of the push, to be able to help read, so idk why people overreact to 2 votes.

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UNVOTE:

Yes, it was a lolvote. Thought I'd take a swing at a beehive and see what happened.

You need to read my entire post before trying to interpret whether I'm defending Volpe. (hint: not)
There is a big difference between liking / not liking the substance of a push, and having a read on the target.

I don’t care if people like my push or not, it’s a completely valid reason to push.

People always talk about 3rd or 4th on the wagon is scum, screw that noise, I’m going less surface level with it.

If I’m wrong, I’m wrong, it’s worth diving into.

This has been a great discussion starter, and now look at us.

We in this shit now.

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"Volpe scum list is literally a combination of anyone going after him?"

Ok, it's official, FL is either idiot or scum.

Chennis isn't even going for me right now, so there's only nomnom voting me in the lynch pool out of 5 names.

Also, I said explicitly that I think the Ank/MariaR/Vex dinamic is where my mind was at (none of which are suspecting me)

This is 100% wrong.

You literally called the scum team Chennis/Nomnom, maybe FL.

People really need to get over the “they aren’t voting for me, they aren’t going after me” mindset.

You don’t even have to say someone’s name and you can read into who they’re pushing.

I’m pretty sure Chennis even said Fakran/Volpe team.

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Actually, there's also a big difference between not liking and not being on board. I had something like 4 pages to read and another one got posted while I wrote my 2nd post.
I'm gonna take my wife to get ice cream. Hopefully FL has pulled his head out his ass with respect to me before I'm back.

pedit: and another half page writing this one

I just kinda think you’re scum here, tbh. I can’t really explain it yet, but yeah. I do expect you to play in a way to balance my read on you if you are scum, so

You don’t like the push but you’re on board...?

Who’s on PenguinPower’s team? I need him here. You know how many games I went 3 out of 5 of these guys are scum. Idk which 3. And was correct? Idk the relevancy of that, but it popped into my head here.

Oh, right, because people were like, nope don’t like that FL, you’re not right. And i was right.

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Actually, I'm tempted to death tunnel FL saying that my readlist is people that are going after me because that REALLLYY gives me a hard time thinking it comes from town

If anything, Chennis did more with this than me.

I just made a comment about it. I wasn’t pushing with it.

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"Volpe scum list is literally a combination of anyone going after him?"

Ok, it's official, FL is either idiot or scum.

Chennis isn't even going for me right now, so there's only nomnom voting me in the lynch pool out of 5 names.

Also, I said explicitly that I think the Ank/MariaR/Vex dinamic is where my mind was at (none of which are suspecting me)

This is 100% wrong.

You literally called the scum team Chennis/Nomnom, maybe FL.

People really need to get over the “they aren’t voting for me, they aren’t going after me” mindset.

You don’t even have to say someone’s name and you can read into who they’re pushing.

I’m pretty sure Chennis even said Fakran/Volpe team.

Even if we were to consider Chennis

That would be 2 out of 5 people, and especially nonsense when I was focusing more on the resting trio.

You know what FL? I think you're just scum here.

VOTE: Flavor

Makes sense based on your trajectory of trying to figure out how to get out of this.

You waited until people were talking down against not liking my push until this.

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BTW serious FL is still not fun FL. Be interesting to find out post game whether this is all because of that naked vote though.

Idk, man. I just feel it. My gut is generally pretty good at that kind of stuff, and if I’m wrong, I don’t think I’m necessarily bad at reading you.

I feel I’d figure it out eventually. I’m not pushing you today.

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Volpe’s just putting on a show now.

He automatically assumed that the line of me saying he was just pushing whoever was voting him was scummier, but i specifically stated around that time that I was less into the push now than before.

I thought that was townier of him to do, because I do that as town, but he stuck with it because he felt pressured.

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I'm gonna take back my scum reads on mariar, ank or whatever for now. I'm just killing you today FL.

Or maybe you're killing me, which actually right now sounds more likely.

But /shrug

If I were scum, I never get lynched here. Just saying.

Anyone who knows me knows this is true, so you kill me, that’s a mislynch, that probably ends in your Lynch tomorrow, which is scummy of you again.

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I'm putting show lol

No you just said scummy shit to try to make me look bad when consensus opinion on me was changing.

I don't care if you're more or less to the push now FL

NO SANE TOWN SAYS THAT A 2/5 OF A READ LIST IS MAJORITY. THAT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN.

You know I’m literally the most not sane town on site, right?

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Volpe...you die here in this 1v1...

And I’m not gonna end up dead afterwards. You’re just death tunneled for some reason now.

You got caught up on the thing that was making me start to lean town on you, and now you’re gonna die for it, I guess.

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This reminds me of when Mulch and I used to have our 1v1’s. Good times.

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You know I’m literally the most not sane town on site, right?

Freudian excuses aren't valid here

Spoiler:

Eh, it just completely nullifies you’re sanity push tbh.

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Like don’t get me wrong, I’m much less into the Volpe push than I was a few pages ago, which is inherently the point of the push, to be able to help read, so idk why people overreact to 2 votes.

Alongside bringing up possibilities of “if Volpe is town” scenarios, you just got triggered off of something because I started cooling off from pushing you.

I kind of feel like you’re scum trying to abuse a 1v1 with me to make it seem like we’re TvT now.

You get to hide in a 1v1, if that makes sense.

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You know I’m literally the most not sane town on site, right?

Freudian excuses aren't valid here

Spoiler:

Eh, it just completely nullifies you’re sanity push tbh.

Are you saying no one should take you seriously because you're just a poor insane man in this unforgiving world?

But at the same time...you think you're reasonable...

Ok FL.

I’m always reasonable.

I don’t go aggro mode anymore, people just like to come at me with a “i hate that fucking smirk on your face, you think you’re so cool!!!” Kind of attitude, but I’m just here chillin’.

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This is what ScumVorkuta semi did to me earlier in the year. Death tunneled.

I did this somewhat to RadiantCowbells and Shoshin in a scum game of mine on Morality, like forced a 2v2.

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I think Volpe just has Flavor Fever. He’s heard of my scum game, and is just hyper paranoid.

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I will say, it is half working if he’s scum doing this. I’m starting to lessen on him being scum, but then I get paranoid that’s what he’s doing.

If he isn’t doing that, and he’s town, Flavor Fever makes sense.

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I think Volpe just has Flavor Fever. He’s heard of my scum game, and is just hyper paranoid.

No, I think your scum game is good but I don't really get paranoid of you, because I don't think you're that good at getting town read as scum.

You're better at influencing gamestate even being scum read as scum.

But this has nothing to do with that.

You just said some really unreasonable shit about my read list

If that’s the way you think about playing scum, i wanna play scum against you so bad.

I actively try not to get town read as scum. People think you need to be town read as scum. Kinda surface level scum play.

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Flavor I'm never moving my out of you fwiw.

Nomnom I don't know what to say to you other than consider the mastermind I was in C9++ compared to what you seem to be like "I gotcha you" here.

But like ok If you're town I'm not gonna hold it out against you. Not that I'm town reading you though.

That’s just poor town play :shrug:

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Look at my HitAlt quote in my sig.

People forget that I’m actually a much stronger town player than I am a scum player, because I fake troll a lot in early games of town because I’m one of the highest priority night kills when I don’t.

If I’m left alive as town end game, I will solve a game.

Also, everytime I play up against a so-called scum mastermind, they choke playing against me.

Skitter has to kill me as soon as I replaced in without me having even doing anything earlier this year.

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And for the most part, any game that people say I did lol bad as town in...I win essentially every single one of those games

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This 1v1 is kind of unproductive imo

Yeah, Volpe stalled it with his lolbadtunnel move. Idk if it’s a town move or a scum move.

GIF is kinda scummy, though, past few pages.

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This 1v1 is kind of unproductive imo

Yeah, Volpe stalled it with his lolbadtunnel move. Idk if it’s a town move or a scum move.

GIF is kinda scummy, though, past few pages.

"Volpe is so scummy lol he's scum reading people that scum read him"

LOL

I town read that, dude, this is why you’re being pointless. It was just a statement

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@Nom - town me dominates games all over the place

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To be fair, I’ve been paired up like this with Nomnom when they were scum and I town.

That was one of the games I solved in my 3 of 5 scum pool. Town didn’t listen to me and lost

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Man I really hate turning out to this mocking/condescing personality but I'm better off at it than trying to be level-headed here.

It just doesn't work nicely for me.

If you’re town, it’s really bad too, because I’m town, so if you were softing vengeful earlier like a weezy, we lose 2 town here, potentially town leaders.

I’ll call your bluff on it if you’d like to die, but I’m not scum here.

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Also Volpe it doesn't help when you act resigned/tunnel/misrepresent stuff

I...honestly am not tunneling anymore.

In the beginning I was a fair bit, but really, it's just coming to me that a PoE of FL/Nomnom is pretty good here.

So the 2 voting you. Makes sense.

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I’m not trying to mislynch Sod Volpe, though, Nomnom.

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Fine, then venge me. That will be your bad play, not mine

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I think you're just scum but trying to explain it in a level headed way to people is less effective than just actually keep high-lightining it.

That’s how you know I’m town.

Go look at Mafia a la mode. I’m not level headed like that.

Now go look at any of my arguments with RC. I’m always completely level headed town, at least for the first 35 pages of it.

I’m just a level headed.

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Btw I think Gammagooey is a pretty towny slot

I feel this

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You only turned level-headed when I death locked you FL, before you were just saying some scummy things about my slot.

Like, now it's my turn to ask you, why so defensive?

Just ignore me or something like you said. No need to convince me you're town?

I was level headed the whole time. You just didn’t see it that way because you felt pressured. Like I said, i wasn’t even really pushing you hard, all I did was comment on the timing, and made an early game vote, and you pushed it like it was this huge thing.

You’re deathtunneling and not saying much else, why would I not be level headed at that? If you’re town doing it, it does nothing but likely kills both of us. If you’re scum doing it, I’m not going to feed into the play.

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@FL why did you jump from FoS on chenn to a hard attack on someone who voted him?

FL you are doing a really good job putting words in my mouth that weren't there

Someone’s getting Third Degree Boon’d, they just don’t know it yet.

Also, I just kind of say random surface level stances on things until someone comes off as actually scummy early game.

[Flavor Leaf]

I put steam on the Chennis wagon, which opened up scum to push Chennis and have it pick up.

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Yeah, I half felt GIF was White Knighting Volpe tbh.

It’s one of the reasons I was leaning Volpe was just VI’ing it up.

Decently solid move if they are S/S, though. Always have the “why would i defend them like that” defense. I want time to let it breathe, though

[Flavor Leaf]

Volpe, say you have a confirmed green me, look at GIF.

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You’re just annoyed, you aren’t scum reading me, and that’s obvious.

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I would rather lose to him than any of my scum leans.

Get rid of this mindset, and just play the game

[Flavor Leaf]

Lol, at GIF voting Volpe

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@Mod - those numbers are rough on the amount of votes per player

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They’re putting shade on you GIF after I put shade on you.

People like to follow me.

[Flavor Leaf]

I will never stop trying to show people I’m town. I just don’t let it stop me from playing the rest of the game like you did.

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They’re putting shade on you GIF after I put shade on you.

People like to follow me.

But I was the one that pointed out this interaction? lol

I’m just stirring shit because it’s fun.

I have no clue where scum is right now, tbh.

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It's bullshit GiF but I think FL today is like, higher equity here.

Like, I really think it's just either FL or Nom right now. I can't believe both flipping town ever, in fact I think both are red.

Chennis maybe a third.

Can you stop being surface level...?

[Flavor Leaf]

GiF which is everyone opinion in FL?

RC doesn’t read me Day 1.

[Flavor Leaf]

RC and I have been in this exact position many times, but you’re the RC slot if you’re town, Volpe.

Also, RC has misread me more than like anyone else on site.

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So there’s no way he would say that, because he doesn’t like to read me Day 1.

[Flavor Leaf]

Are y’all 3 in a neighborhood together.

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The only reason RC ever reads me correctly as scum is because he scum reads me every game.

It’s been like 10+ town games he’s scum read me, 1 scum game he scum read me.

I guess kinda 2, but that was a game he actively said he doesn’t read me Day 1.

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FL have you ever seen the "Boy that cried wolf" tale or something?

You're the "master" of disinformation/antics, and that works for your good in some cases, but in this case there's literally no reason to anyone believe whatever antics you're coming up with. I do think you're scum and I'm not really interested about RC vs You history. All that matters to me is this game and I'm scum reading you and I'm sorry if I'm wrong but there are things that need to be done for the game to move on.

You are insanely pocketed if you are town.

UNVOTE: Volpe

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I guarantee you, Volpe, you would not be scum reading me here if I were scum. AtE, sure, idgaf, but you’re tunneled, and you are incorrect. I’m going to break you out of it.

@A50/ Ankamius - help me out here, please.

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Gamestate shows I’m about to be the leading wagon.

This does not happen when I am scum.

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I just want those flips. You can belittle me in the dead thread if I'm wrong. It would be roughly fair.

We are 1 day into this. You don’t need the flip this second. Let the less active people speak.

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Exactly. Never are we scum together. Finally you see it

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I’m always relevant. Rude

[Flavor Leaf]

My gif case is torn up with the neighborhood outing. Imma just sit here and troll again for a bit.

[Flavor Leaf]

:/ I’m town. I’ll just let it happen. I lost all energy with this game

[Flavor Leaf]

My 3 scum reads this game, I‘m actually lean towning now.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh btw RC says that town FL doesn't let himself get lynched because his ego's too big.

@Skitter’s teammate - Ask them off this is true or not.


Also, I don’t have an ego, I’m just confident in my own strengths and self aware of my weaknesses.

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you keep pushing it like RC knows me well, and I think he has a completely skewed view on me, and I believe is actually someone who completely views me as almost dead opposite of how I am.

I don’t push anyone down, and I always talk people up. I may talk highly of myself, but I talk highly of a lot of people.

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And GIF, it’s not like you don’t have your own games with me.

I actually think you can read me better than he can, albeit, we don’t have that many games together.

[Flavor Leaf]

We were even on the same Team Mafia team like...not last team Mafia, but the time before

[Flavor Leaf]

It's really not about RC so like, don't try to discret our reads on you because of RC history with you or whatever.

This is a me/GiF read as well. RC just roughly agrees with it.

Well, you’re wrong too.

[Flavor Leaf]

I get pushed by your type of players incorrectly as town all the time.

[Flavor Leaf]

Woe is me. Woe woe woe.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s usually me catching you when you’re scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Woe woe woe

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I also get into spats with scum all the time.

There it goes, If that's the kind of game you want to play

We didn’t get in a spat.

You just got defensive.

[Flavor Leaf]

Woe woe woe

[Flavor Leaf]

And Ank knows me better than all of you. Albeit, I don’t think super well still.

So only two this time.

Woe woe

[Flavor Leaf]

my townblock is getting bigger and I'm happy about that

But actually, Nomnom/Gif/Volpe went down, apparently they are in a neighborhood and one of them outed the ability they have. Gif weirdly flip flopped on Volpe read, and got pushed for it by me, prior to me knowing they were in a neighborhood.

Volpe’s in a death tunnel because of one little comment and vote I made there.

Nomnom went after Volpe.

Yeah.

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@Ank - id actually like you to look at Volpe’s trajectory towards me. It started off defensive and slowly over time built to death tunnel. I think I’m town reading it now, but can you look at the start of it? People acted like I was death pushing and that my thing made no sense, but it was all on the timing of his Chennisden push, which I felt was rather valid. Not something to lynch immediately over, but pressure for sure.

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I've seen nomnom play so meta isn't really helpful here

tbh I'm sure Ank has more insight on me as a player and a person

[Flavor Leaf]

This is a scummy Volpe page, but the aggro death tunnel was townie

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m hopping into Ank’s pocket. Idgaf if I come off the scummy one for it.

[Flavor Leaf]

UNVOTE:

Let's let this rest.

If we’re gonna share a pocket, you need to be showering

[Flavor Leaf]

GAHAHA

Like honestly, I was going into my read "is this really not me making a fool of myself here?"

But like, Ank shows up and Flavor beings like "waittt, volpe is scummy ~~ man we probably should reconsider him shouldn't we"

I'M

DYING

I LITERALLY CANNOT BELIEVE THAT DOESN'T FLIP RED

Like I said, if I was actually red, you wouldn’t be scum reading me here :shrug:

[Flavor Leaf]

GAHAHA

Like honestly, I was going into my read "is this really not me making a fool of myself here?"

But like, Ank shows up and Flavor beings like "waittt, volpe is scummy ~~ man we probably should reconsider him shouldn't we"

I'M

DYING

I LITERALLY CANNOT BELIEVE THAT DOESN'T FLIP RED

This is also a misrep of what happened.

I essentially explained exactly my thoughts on you, even said I town read you for the death tunnel.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like you completely omitted mentioning me stating the town read

[Flavor Leaf]

Who are you talking to/about

[Flavor Leaf]

Who are you talking to/about

Oh, Om. Idk why I read that as not a player.

[Flavor Leaf]

So, are you saying Volpe didn’t fight hard? Because he turned a single slice of lemon into a whole gallon of lemonade.

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Hmmm, I would be kind of ok with a FL/Nomnom/Chennis/Ank

Also Chennis began to push Fark when he was pushing Ank I think so let that settle in maybe

I feel like I can put my soul to rest now for the rest of this day phase, I'm ok with being wrong about this by this point.

Idk how I feel about Nomnom there, but I do like that townblock for the most part. Chennis’ main scummy thing was the disappearance after our 1v1, but I saw the same thing initially with Fakran, but they seem genuine on follow up.

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Honestly, that’s the most surface level scum list i have ever seen. Not even shade, it’s just...how do you deadass believe that’s the scum team.

[Flavor Leaf]

I guarantee you some of those will drop out for you when they don’t agree with you

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Honestly, that’s the most surface level scum list i have ever seen. Not even shade, it’s just...how do you deadass believe that’s the scum team.

It's like, fairly icky but I think it's more of a

at least one between [Nomnom, FL]

at least one between [Chennis, Ank]

but yeah maybe it can be everyone idk, I'm not looking for a exact solve, just where my head is at

This is better. I can get behind this (i don’t agree with it obviously, but as a list thing)

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I think the better question is who can correctly read me when I’m town

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I'm gonna feel so stupid if nomnom/FL are both town. but whatever.

Honestly, I’m kind of onboard with lynching Nomnom, but a red flip probably means I go next, and I wanna catch a deepwolf.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm gonna feel so stupid if nomnom/FL are both town. but whatever.

Honestly, I’m kind of onboard with lynching Nomnom, but a red flip probably means I go next, and I wanna catch a deepwolf.

What

3 pages ago you were like "yeah see me and Nom can't be scum together" and now this?

We can’t be scum together; I’m town.

And we’re really cramped up cuddling in this pocket.

Also a lot of people would rather mislynch a player than be wrong about scum them getting the win, but I’d rather correctly town read a player.

Slingshot them. Early game you’re better off doubling down on town reads than scum reads, because you can reevaluate later based on the gamestate it goes.

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And you voted me when you got pressured. That hurt.

[Flavor Leaf]

All i heard is FL is really cute

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s not a logical step. It’s literally the first day into this game.

Y’all need some patience.

[Flavor Leaf]

Y'all should be glad that I'm here in the first place.
It could've been RC himself in this game.

Could have been. I’d become obv town if he were here like I always do when we’re in the same game.

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Also, Volpe, I forgot you were Fumuki. I replaced your slot in Let’s Talk About An OnGoing Game.

You should look there, because I feel that was a drastically different scum game victory for me as well, where I was the conf townie. I was level headed there.

I think you were pushing me as being aggro lightning paced here, which I don’t agree with, even if that means I’m showing an opposite thing here, but yeah

[Flavor Leaf]

Is there a job I can just use my charm and flirtatious nature and play mafia? That be a cool job.

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s how I feel about you/GIF.

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s how I feel about you/GIF.

This isn’t necessarily true, I’m just throwing shade.

[Flavor Leaf]

Would be hilarious if the 5 of us were all town

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s how I feel about you/GIF.

This isn’t necessarily true, I’m just throwing shade.

what is this even responding to though

There was no one to flirt with, so I was flirting with myself.

[Flavor Leaf]

Simple. I didn’t remember EP doing it on Ank.

[Flavor Leaf]

And it was different timing. I don’t feel Ankamius ever had the steam that Chennis had, and if they did, well, I didn’t naturally feel it

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Eh, yeah, going on reading the volpe vs FL argument is pointless. It's not even AI, you are just discussing playstyles which are subjective by definition and therefore not arguable in a relevant fashion. I am somewhat inclined to think it as TvT until we see a flip though

pedit: ankamius was a more populated wagon but with weaker basis, i'll grant you that. But volpe was 2nd on chennis out of 9 people required for a lynch, i wouldn't call that "steamy" enough yet to call volpe opportunistic for joining it

Disagree. I was the one who was pushing Chennis.

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Spoiler, Farkran, Nom ended up voting me, and now it’s more of a Volpe vs Ankamius thing with GIF behind Volpe, and Nom and I behind Ank, but I’m thinking Nom could be scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, it’s a thing I do, I can pick on the people, but once other people do, Imma be all over that.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m past that with Volpe.

People need to stop hanging onto the little stuff

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Wow, i go to sleep and tons of pages. I won’t be able to catch up until possibly tonight

[Flavor Leaf]

Get the hell back on me

[Flavor Leaf]

Put that thing back where it came from or so help me

So help me

[Flavor Leaf]

You got about 22 more pages of it

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And i actually feel like once Volpe got pressure off of him, he moved off of me and onto Nomnom. I’m getting paranoid that he played me to get town read.

[Flavor Leaf]

The epitome of townBoon ^

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@Maria - It’s not egotistical, that’s just one of my strengths that I use. I studied a lot of Sociology, and I use that to my game moreso than Psychology, which is what most people use.

And yeah, you’re like the only person who consistently takes me out, but we haven’t really played all that much. I haven’t figured out how to game you yet.

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Volpe’s also acting like I don’t have any reason to believe he’s scum here. He’s lolbad deathtunneling most of this game, and I feel like that’s a totally acceptable thing to think scum would take a lazy easy route of deathtunneling me

[Flavor Leaf]

Disagree that it was bad. If you guys are too surface level to see it, then so be it

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And Maria commented on the after effect of that post, not the meat.

If Volpe ends up flipping scum, not only is that push not bad, it is 100% correct.

The pre flip comments are terrible, and is just noise for the sake of noise.

Like I said before, years been called things I do bad, and for years I’ve proven everyone up left and right afterwards.

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I would say that GiF being scum here isn't like, impossible, but I think he deserves to win the most if he's ever scum here.

People seriously need to get out of this mindset. It’s so bad.

It’s fucking Day 1, and literally you’re the only one who’s town read him like that.

That’s on you to reevaluate and not be lazy town if you’re town

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I’m getting tilted

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I don’t even care if you’re both town here. That’s just a terrible surface level mindset for Mafia player in general

[Flavor Leaf]

If it comes into my mind, I’m not going to not say it. I actively will not filter myself when I’m town.

[Flavor Leaf]

If you scum read it, so be it, but I do it as scum because I do it as town.

[Flavor Leaf]

If you scum read it, so be it, but I do it as scum because I do it as town.

So this nullifies everything that you said about "Town me would" this and "Scum me would" that before and after since you act the same as either alignment.

Yup, that’s a town trait I have to nullify everything

[Flavor Leaf]

But it also nullifies it against me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ok you heard him folks.
Toss your coin.
Head you vote him
Tail you don't

This is surface level too.

I have much more posts than that.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Maria - why are you pushing Nomnom for town reading GIF, when Volpe has essentially lock town ridden GIF as scum off to victory for worse reasons?

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@Maria - It’s not egotistical, that’s just one of my strengths that I use. I studied a lot of Sociology, and I use that to my game moreso than Psychology, which is what most people use.

And yeah, you’re like the only person who consistently takes me out, but we haven’t really played all that much. I haven’t figured out how to game you yet.

Well, you might wanna figure it out soon. As odd as it is you're not being obvious to me yet. Mostly because I skimmed your posting for the time being but still.

Anyway, I wanna start something new since my coffee wagon isn't a thing
VOTE: Dave

Sure, but I obv town late game, so it doesn’t matter.

People always try to sort me Day 1, and that’s just not how you do it.

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I was partners with GIF a couple Team Mafias ago, and I remember someone saying that a strength our entire team had was all of us had the ability to completely obvtown it up.

There’s a reason I get nightkilled so much.

[Flavor Leaf]

I was partners with GIF a couple Team Mafias ago

I was?

I’m Boonskiies. We also had Ircher, and someone else.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think the only time I've ever seen town you be obv town was in that SK game I won. But considering you have a decent scum game how do people go from 'FL is obv town' to 'FL is getting tr so he might be scum.'

Like I said, we haven’t played too much.