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[Volpe14]

I want to talk about something but I don't know what to talk about

I'm barely reading you guys posts right now to be fair

[Volpe14]

GiF posting kinda makes me go hmmm though

note to self that I need to check that assassin game later

[Volpe14]

Fark is really probably the main account of that person by the way Ank, I've seen him playing in the newbie queue/other games etc

It really looked like someone with some potential but still not used to the local site culture

my 2 cents?

[Volpe14]

I'm gonna be useful when the game gets to 50 pages or something

see you guys?

[Volpe14]

We're the large game but we almost are the smallest game around

Shame on us...

[Volpe14]

volpe, do you wanna talk for a bit? i really wanna get the game moving, and i feel like talking to someone about something at this point would help. this is the large, it shouldn't be the slowest moving game out of all of them imo.

we can talk for the next 30 minutes

after that I'm back to my job

[Volpe14]

I don't want to go into super details about reads though because I only like to start talking about a read when I have some degree of confidence on it

before that it's all really jingling in my head and I don't want to go back on something I said four times in a row

but like, from a more objective pov I would say it's worth noting that he's putting more effort than usual?

It's Team Mafia though, I feel like trying to do better than what you usually do is a common feeling

[Volpe14]

I could talk more about GiF but that would hurt my progressive read on him in the next posts so...

that's why I said I can only really be useful a bit later

[Volpe14]

My turn now Vex.

I draw a card an-

wait, I mean, what do you think of Fark posting?

[Volpe14]

Aren't you glad that I left one recent tryhard game as a reference

You're very, very, very kind.

[Volpe14]

Actually I don't want to go about ank because I'm not passing the ball at fark.

(also I don't have any real opinion on ank so there's that)

Do you really think that Fark opening post is something positive Vex?

[Volpe14]

Hi everyone, i'm the king of readlists

I don't think gif is powerscumming already so he may be town for now

Early A50 posts are scum standard, don't like them at all

Don't like chennisden introduction

Don't like maria introduction but less so than chen's

Like volxen

I think i like anka reactions

Kuribo is gut town

My neighborhood looks town so far

Everyone else null

VOTE: a50

It's page 4 and he throws a big read list

Do you think normal uninformed reaction here is to be "mmm ok" with it?

Have you ever played with Fark before? What's your take on heavy logical players?

[Volpe14]

Vex I'm feeling like you bailed out on me.

[Volpe14]

Hmm, I really think I could push this more but for now I'm gonna let it go

This playerlist is really hard on me to be fair, I'm not particularly good on reading anyone but I would say I really suck the most in reading most of this playerlist's playstyles

I'm not closing the book on that exchange about fark though, I'm just gonna leave it open like that to a later return

You really couldn't be more generic in your descriptions about what you liked about his post though. I've gotta to say that.

[Volpe14]

i feel like it's only fair i should ask this in reply as well: what are your thoughts on fark's opening post?

Personally my opinion of Fark's list is "bad."

TL;DR: It's not something that looks pretty but I don't think that scum!Fark would be aware of that.

[Volpe14]

But like GiF said, not necessarily alignment indicative bad.

[Volpe14]

@volpe generally speaking i understand your concerns but surely you must have some thoughts about anka now, if not about him directly, you should have noticed some people revolving around him

From your posts i get that you're trying to give your direction to the game and that is NAI - not being trustful of other players fits either with a paranoid town mindset or a scum looking for a broad lynchpool

Which one are you?

You've watched me solve that normal 2106 in the dead thread, didn't you?

Do you think you need to ask what kind of player I'm? Do you really have no speculations of your own?

[Volpe14]

About ank, I mostly skipped her posts because I felt they were meaningless currently. Maybe something to look support the meat but nothing meaty on it by itself.

[Volpe14]

Last post because I'm getting back to work

I did answer you on ank/vex though so I'm not sure what I'm dodging. It may look like I'm dodging since I throw a curve ball back but I think I more or less answered most things?

Anyway I'm just slow to give reads because I like the reads to be grounded, so I'm careful about what I say. I also think that most posts in a mafia game are a bit useless because I get my reads from 2 or 3 posts each person have that in my head I go "This really comes more often than town" or "This comes more often from scum".

I'm mostly looking around and waiting everyone to post enough to find meaningful posts for everyone or something

[Volpe14]

Last post because I'm getting back to work

I did answer you on ank/vex though so I'm not sure what I'm dodging. It may look like I'm dodging since I throw a curve ball back but I think I more or less answered most things?

Anyway I'm just slow to give reads because I like the reads to be grounded, so I'm careful about what I say. I also think that most posts in a mafia game are a bit useless because I get my reads from 2 or 3 posts each person have that in my head I go "This really comes more often than town" or "This comes more often from scum".

I'm mostly looking around and waiting everyone to post enough to find meaningful posts for everyone or something

Sorry, my post was before i read your 140

I'd mostly like to hear your read of anka - or why you aren't interested in their posts given that you said you skimmed them.

I mean, i'm trying to build a profile of people around me because i literally haven't played with anyone in this plist, i just vaguely know some people from minor interactions like gif modding me or you posting stuff in that dead chat

I didn't have an opinion in ank in the moment of that post. It's as simply as that.

As for why I didn't pay attention to her posts, it's the wrong question/mindset. Fact is that I didn't pay attention to most people posts in early game, I can barely remember one or two other than the ones that struck me out like your opening post with a read list.

Right now I still don't have an opinion on ank by herself but I do already have opinions about her slot/alignment, if that makes any sense.

I'm mostly playing with ideas right now.

[Volpe14]

I like Volpe's posts so far. I think this isn't his scumgame at all.

[Volpe14]

easy mode hm

[Volpe14]

I had forgot kuribo was in this game since there was a lack of hatred, rage and screaming to be fair.

I do prefer the atmosphere we currently have though...

[Volpe14]

Who wants to play blackjack?

I would like to bet night actions on it.

[Volpe14]

[Volpe14]

Play the above in loop for enhanced experience.

[Volpe14]

lthough I say that now there's also the distinct possibility I get good and liquored up this weekend too so

Spoiler:

[Volpe14]

That's a pretty cute vote right there elements

Wanna claim masons?

[Volpe14]

I was about to type a post about being bored, but you changed my mind elements

I'm not completely joking about the mason thing by the way

What do you think about cuddling and voting together for day 1 darling?

[Volpe14]

I like Volpe's posts so far. I think this isn't his scumgame at all.

Is this a scumclaim?
This is scumclaim, right?

[Volpe14]

What do you think about cuddling and voting together for day 1 darling?

I was waiting for you to ask x
Who are we voting for?

scum

but it's not optimal yet to show hands so I need you to be patient

long-distance relationships can be harsh but I'm sure we'll be able to do it properly if we try

[Volpe14]

Elem, let's exclude me, dave, ank and espresso.

Anyone you feel like it's worth voting? I can follow you there for now.

Relationships are a give-and-take exchange after all.

[Volpe14]

I...forgot to exclude farkran as well to be fair (I also hesitant'ing at the moment) but hmm, ok, the day is still young.

VOTE: Fark

Farkran what would you contribute to this masonhood if we were to add you up as well?

Note that we're a secret society therefore an invite means quite a lot. You should think your answer thoroughly.

[Volpe14]

Just to keep track in-thread.

[Volpe] - town
[Elem] - likely town
[Fark???] - nulltown
[most people] - null
[big secret] - nullscum/scum lean

I'm indecise in the Fark thing hmm..

I'm putting out opinions a bit too early too but /shrug.

[Volpe14]

Elem, I need to ask though, what made you vote me?

[Volpe14]

Ok Elem it's official now, you might be the best girl in this game. I think you're really too far now in the competition to anyone catch up.

Hmm, so I read Espresso's ISO and...

uhhh

I'm gonna let myself have some snack, I'll choose fun over doing the extremely optimal thing right now. I'll maybe do some town reads that might change due to how weak they are compared to what I had in mind (I feel like this game is really just too slow for me to be an active spectator).

[Volpe] - town
[Elements] - likely town
[Fark???, Espresso?] - nulltown
[most people] - null
[big secret] - nullscum

[Volpe14]

I'm somewhat scared of messing up in those early reads but ok.

[Volpe14]

note: the amount of question marks in the read-list is the amount of doubt I have in that specific read.

[Volpe14]

You already messed up when you didn't have me in town.

In your recent posts I need to remind myself you're GiF and not actually RC.

[Volpe14]

That's a not a good pop-in DV.

You know why?

[Volpe14]

Deasvail don't do this to me. Don't make me scum read you...have mercy?

I was secretly in high-spirits because I thought I had a good pool of suspects but you come around with that wolfy pop-in and just makes me start to reconsider it...

[Volpe14]

Oh wait, DV had posted a bit before. It wasn't really a pop-in.

It's considerable less bad in that case.

p-edit:ok

[Volpe14]

Espresso, what could you offer to the masonhood in exchange for protection in this harsh virtual jungle?

[Volpe14]

From my understanding in the sample roles/early convos it seems it's a common thing for there to be hoods, which apparently can have some sort of ability

in that case

@Mod Are the members of a certain hood able to target one of their own members with their group ability?

[Volpe14]

@volpe I don't think keeping scumreads secret is at all helpful to town.

I used to think the same but experience told me otherwise.

I have some considerable amount of stories where I get things right in D1, talk about it and get sidetracked. People attention span is too short, and also before you begin accusing someone you probably should gather up enough evidence to push all way through. if you tell scum why you're scum reading them too early they just will fix the mistakes?

I do understand it hurts the readability of my slot though so I'm compromising on sharing my town reads right now.

It's not gonna take a lot of time for me to talk about SRs but the day is still pretty young.

[Volpe14]

I'm mulling over if it's worth it/I have reasons enough to create a townblock of Elements/me/Fark/Espesso here

I could go in more detail why I think they're town too maybe but hmmm

I feel like I'm jumping the gun a bit.

[Volpe14]

Hmm, I think I mostly finished? my very early reads and I'm looking at:

[Volpe]
[Elements]
[GiF, Fark?, Espresso]
[everyone else] - null or nullscum

VOTE: chennis

Let's see where this goes to

Elem, care to join us in this comfy wagon?

[Volpe14]

Espresso, how willing would you be for a townblock of GiF/me/Elements/Fark?

[Volpe14]

This...isn't my "scum game" at all but again, I planned to play this game differently than C9++/BP even before I rolled my alignment?

[Volpe14]

I think I've been somewhat transparently trying not to dominate the game by not talking about my reads to not bias other people input on them/hurt general game development.

I'm not sure what you're talking about Flavor, but honestly I don't get what you were talking about Chennis trying to "swing you over" either so it may not be something wrong on my side.

[Volpe14]

Chennis is wallposting...

What is this game even hmmm

[Volpe14]

If I wanted to be town leader I would have not given up in leading discussions and would keep pushing Vex or Fark even if it would bias other people into their reads on those slots

I did the opposite of that. If you want to give me a scum read I recommend to at least pay attention to what I'm doing and understand that I would be trying to go for shadow agent and not town leader here.

[Volpe14]

You're saying that I wouldn't want to be lock town but I'm still trying to gain support as town leader?

That doesn't make sense FL?

[Volpe14]

I'm like...being quite harsh on my tone with you here but it's because I know as fact that you're just distracting this from a more useful direction so I want to rebut you as fast as possible and I in fact don't think your argument is reasonable here. not like scum reading me here is completely unreasonable but that's not really what I would call a valid reason...

[Volpe14]

I don’t think a leader needs to be the one saying the most, the leader needs to be the one setup to have the people follow them when they do speak.

You're talking about me trying to actively form a town block?

I don't think that's something specific of my scum game. I did it in C9 in a meme tone, and I did ally people up in Baton Pass but it was a lot more subtly/give-and-take.

Here I'm really just trying to form a block of townies that will stick together and vote together to maximize wagon'ing efficiency. I even said in the past it's something I would like to do as town anyway?

Then like, what in my play itself and not in me forming a block of people do you dislike if anything?

[Volpe14]

It’s Page 14, I think it’s incredibly valuable discussion. Much more than running around in circles with Fakran and Chennis.

I feel right now that you are scum who doesn’t like, or even think there is, a case on them, and granted, I very much realize I need more, and I could be wrong. Again, it’s page 14, but by no means is that not an avenue that I want to just ignore.

Why it's running in circles with Fark/Chennis?

We barely started talking about Chennis in more depth.

[Volpe14]

I actually made the push before you were trying to town block, or if you did the town block before, you ninja’d me.

You're being a ditzy again to be fair.

I think it was clear I was trying to form a town block when I talked about masonhood with Fark/Elems way before you said anything on me?

Actually, the fact you don't realize makes me think you didn't really read my ISO?

[Volpe14]

Then talk about it more. I’m not stopping you.

I meant that people in general didn't talk about Chennis that much, not me

[Volpe14]

Flavor I don't want to use past examples because it's an extremely cheap thing to do since this is a different game, but one of the reasons that I'm pushing back against this vehemently is because in Mini Normal Colors, while I was pushing Oka (actual scum), you came around barely having read the game and began pushing me which distracted from the oka wagon that could actually have turned around the game if it had happened at that day.

From what I've seen in your arguments, I don't think you've read the game thoroughly and is just grasping at straws, what is fine for early game, but I really think that in a slow game like this I would rather not waste day time with this push. I really think it's an objectively bad push right now (and you aren't exactly showing me wrong here?).

I feel it's an important waste of time/energy especially in a more lurky playerlist like this one.

[Volpe14]

Then talk about it more. I’m not stopping you.

I meant that people in general didn't talk about Chennis that much, not me

I don't think you've really talked about me a lot and "Ctrl+F Chennis" supports this

I didn't talk about you because you're in the null/nullscum list that I'm not really talking about as a whole currently, so I voted you to see where it would go to and I would also progressively talk more about you but I didn't want to dominate the discussion

Everyone bringing pieces of their opinions is more valuable than me laying out a case to everyone copypaste/agree/disagree.

[Volpe14]

/shrug

If you're town I tried to help you reading me FL

I don't care anymore about your opinion to be fair, another reason I wanted you to turn around on it is because if Chennis flips scum in this scenario I would need to lynch you as a matter of fact.

Chennis isn't really my top pick though

[Volpe14]

I don't think there's any kind of interaction with a partner that it's outside of your meta FL, and if you're siding with Chennis here and he's scum, just like Oka was, lynching you afterwards is kind of a priority doesn't matter what kind of WIFOM you throw at the wall.

To be fair I'm mostly entertaining you here because I'm bored and wanted to play mafia so now that my willingness to play mafia is a bit gone, I would rather cut off the convo that's not going anywhere useful. You've not really read the game yet but is trying to discuss it and last time you tried it, it was advantageous to ignore you...?

I don't mean to come off rude but it's just the truth from my pov.

It's not really about you siding with Chennis, it's more about you doing a push that doesn't take itself seriously and trying to change gamestate with it.

What is like...exactly the kind of bullshit you pull as scum?

[Volpe14]

I felt like, the game was starting to go somewhere useful and you bang in and say "I've not read the thread but that sole vote is pretty scummy so let's go with that push" which can throw off the good direction/development it was going to? What is also...what I think scum you would do when town start gaining cohesion?

Not that you necessarily would be scum but I don't think it's something positive to be doing here.

edit: as scum you also try to claim that you would do better than what you're doing, constantly. so what? I do that too.

[Volpe14]

In forkbomb, I scumread Flubbernugget, which meant I town read him, and that’s how I forked Bins out of nowhere.

...

[Volpe14]

And why should I take this push seriously

Maybe I'm being over the top with this but it really gives me deja vu of the numerous times the game was going to a useful trajectory and you come around to disturb it as either town or scum with a push from nowhere

I mean sure, you might have saved games with those pushes too but I know this isn't the case here?

[Volpe14]

Like, your scum game is successful FL, you've a DC nom this year and a good number of victories, and regardless of whatever you might want to say here, I think one of the reasons is that you can come from nowhere and start changing things with those random pushes, and people don't hold you accountable for it because "it's just what FL does", but I'm not really letting that roll off here.

"I'm a flip flopper" is a pretty great, convenient sleeve trick to come with whatever you want when you need it.

[Volpe14]

Then why are you hung up on it?

Maybe it actually just annoys me to have something so unpredictable. Maybe I just need to learn how to live with your unpredictability to be fair.

I'll probably end up putting you in the lynch pool sooner or later though if we go this route

[Volpe14]

Ok I'm done with this exchange to be fair.

[Volpe14]

I'm not as much saying you should correctly find scum, it's more like BoP in the sense I would appreciate you reading the whole game thread and coming up with something more relatable to my reality to discuss...

[Volpe14]

Like, I could just have ignored your push on me and tried to mock you using Mini Normal Colors as an example, which is something I would do and it would be more effective, but I tried to go to the harder route of trying to understand where you're coming from and we just chatted for around 1 hour and nothing but frustration has come out of it for me. Maybe some scumminess to you but I'm not really sure.

[Volpe14]

which is something I would do as scum*, I meant

[Volpe14]

Fark warned that he would leave. Chennis leaving us to 1v1 is actually a bit bad though.

[Volpe14]

However, i don’t feel im not making sense here. This is rather straightforward

/shrug

You can say "the timing of it" as much as you want but I'm not sure what about voting the second vote on a wagon as a follow up rather than a serious push is...scummy?

It seems like a random gut ping compared to what's going on in the thread at that moment.

[Volpe14]

Sigh, I need to learn how to stop 1v1s

[Volpe14]

To be fair...a lot of it was because I felt like posting but the game was pretty slow for what I expected from the large game in TM. I had this friday mostly free to play the game but everything was somewhat monotone so I just kept replying to whatever came until I started to regret starting this in the first place because it seemed really pointless to me.

[Volpe14]

Would you be willing to join Chennis wagon for now?

[Volpe14]

I'm indecisive about Chennis alignment and I think that would help me out

[Volpe14]

^ this is why I think it's not optimal to talk about stuff before it's time to kill

Needing to deal with people lolwagonning while you try to solve the game is a pain

But again, I was never town reading nomnom

Still unfun though

[Volpe14]

lolwagonning as in what I consider bad votes not random votes.

I know, I know, I'm biased.

[Volpe14]

I was pretty ok before as scum but now I really blowed off any resemblance of my scum game so I'm kind of wondering if I should give scum points for nomnom vote on me here when she witnessed from pretty close-up my whole scum game in C9++.

[Volpe14]

Nomnom, I'm just too frank here and not enough emotionally manipulative here to be scum sweetie.

[Volpe14]

This game gives me headache so I'm just gonna start walking away from it and honestly maybe it's not all that bad I'm getting SR because it means I probably don't die during nights.

[Volpe] - town
[Elem] - likely town
[Fark, Espresso, GiF] - nulltown
[everyone else] - null
[Nomnom, Chennis, Ank, Vex, MariaR] - nullscum

I don't really care that much anymore, any doubt on my reads ask and I reply when I check-in or something. Don't ask for explanations for all them though, that would be too bothersome right now.

I was coming around Ank/Vex/MariaR as making sense but Chennis/Nom gives me some creepy vibes. Maybe FL.

Out of the null slots, maybe I like DV the most but I'm weak on that.

[Volpe14]

I wanted to have my scum leans more sorted out before saying anything but hmmm dunno

MariaR/Vex/Ank have some pretty interesting dinamic.

Ank had just posted before, but instead of calling her out for a chat, Vex called me, and in the second question asked me how I feel about ank, while his read on Fark was pretty vague.

MariaR comes later with a push on Espresso for gunning for Ank, and says that "likes where nomnom head is" on Vex but doesn't think negatively of Vex apparently.

It really needed more development to flesh out but I'm getting annoyed with this gamestate.

Nomnom vote is odd to me when she should know a bit better about my scum game but again, I don't really expect her to have accuracy on reading me so dunno. The whole vote just feels very sheepy of FL vibe though.

Chennis is kind of over the top on Fark read but I kind of think it may not be something scum!Chennis goes for? I don't know. I wanted the wagon to develop to sort it out but that happened.

[Volpe14]

I feel like Vex might really have called me there out of self-awareness of Ank being a partner but that's like, fairly weak sauce to push something for and now the cat is out of the bag it's fairly less useful to sort it there was some meat on it or not.

[Volpe14]

"Volpe scum list is literally a combination of anyone going after him?"

Ok, it's official, FL is either idiot or scum.

Chennis isn't even going for me right now, so there's only nomnom voting me in the lynch pool out of 5 names.

Also, I said explicitly that I think the Ank/MariaR/Vex dinamic is where my mind was at (none of which are suspecting me)

[Volpe14]

I don't really think so? If I didn't say anything Farkran is the type of slot that would've gone for a long time unnoticed and not really thought about, which would've been bad regardless of his alignment.

People commented on how Fark post seemed out of place/drew attention.

In Mini Normal 2016 he was a very popular scum read.

I don't know what to say to this.

[Volpe14]

Actually, I'm tempted to death tunnel FL saying that my readlist is people that are going after me because that REALLLYY gives me a hard time thinking it comes from town

[Volpe14]

"Volpe scum list is literally a combination of anyone going after him?"

Ok, it's official, FL is either idiot or scum.

Chennis isn't even going for me right now, so there's only nomnom voting me in the lynch pool out of 5 names.

Also, I said explicitly that I think the Ank/MariaR/Vex dinamic is where my mind was at (none of which are suspecting me)

This is 100% wrong.

You literally called the scum team Chennis/Nomnom, maybe FL.

People really need to get over the “they aren’t voting for me, they aren’t going after me” mindset.

You don’t even have to say someone’s name and you can read into who they’re pushing.

I’m pretty sure Chennis even said Fakran/Volpe team.

Even if we were to consider Chennis

That would be 2 out of 5 people, and especially nonsense when I was focusing more on the resting trio.

You know what FL? I think you're just scum here.

VOTE: Flavor

[Volpe14]

Only 2 out of 5 people in my read list had said anything negative about me and you summarize my read list as "people going after me", you derail the thread without reading it properly etc.

You were one of the reasons Oka didn't happen in Colors and here I've no reason to let you stay around apparently either if you were town (which I think you aren't right now).

This kind of bullshit you keep spraying all over the thread is one of those petty things you do as scum and I've no patience in dealing with you anymore if you're town. I really tried to be understanding but you just keep scumming it up.

I don't think it can be written off as coincidence anymore.

[Volpe14]

I think you're just scum that thought it would be cool to turn the tables on me or something and my unique regret is to have give you space instead of insta omgus'ing

[Volpe14]

I'm gonna take back my scum reads on mariar, ank or whatever for now. I'm just killing you today FL.

Or maybe you're killing me, which actually right now sounds more likely.

But /shrug

[Volpe14]

I'm putting show lol

No you just said scummy shit to try to make me look bad when consensus opinion on me was changing.

I don't care if you're more or less to the push now FL

NO SANE TOWN SAYS THAT A 2/5 OF A READ LIST IS MAJORITY. THAT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN.

[Volpe14]

You clearly said that to discredit my whole read list without bothering to give a credible here and I don't give a fuck what you say to be honest, you biggest trait as scum is saying random nonsense bullshit and pushing it as reasonable

It's not reasonable, saying that about my read list just shows your mindset of trying to discredit me rather than reading me.

You're dying today, or you're killing me.

There's like, two options.

[Volpe14]

If I were scum, I never get lynched here. Just saying.

LOL

[Volpe14]

I've faith that people here knows mathematics and realize that you saying 2/5 of my scum leans are majority is pretty scummy though FL.

Then like, I've faith on you getting lynched or at least scum read here, but you never know I guess. I agree with you on that.

[Volpe14]

You know I’m literally the most not sane town on site, right?

Freudian excuses aren't valid here

Spoiler:

[Volpe14]

Volpe...you die here in this 1v1...

That would be a blessing, I'm not sure if you realize that.

[Volpe14]

Volpe I'm not sure what you were thinking but you probably didn't make the smartest set of moves here concerning the defense you chose.

I'm not being smart either, I'm town, I'm just really sure that FL should die here, right now.

[Volpe14]

You know I’m literally the most not sane town on site, right?

Freudian excuses aren't valid here

Spoiler:

Eh, it just completely nullifies you’re sanity push tbh.

Are you saying no one should take you seriously because you're just a poor insane man in this unforgiving world?

But at the same time...you think you're reasonable...

Ok FL.

[Volpe14]

It doesn't really matter where this goes right now

If FL dies I'm happy

If I die I'm happy

If people just lynch someone else I'm not going to be sad.

I doubt I'm budging from this wagon though, I feel like this kind of nonsense phrase that scum sometimes says are forgiven way too much.

How far do you need to go in WIFOM to believe that FL said such a thing about my read list in good faith/trying to sort me?

It's pretty clear shading to me.

[Volpe14]

Me and Volpe are sharing a PT together, with a third person. In that thread he suggested the idea that he intentionally shook up his meta in order to beat "meta players" present in the event. So your whole defense about "how I should recognize your scumgame" is completely bullshit.

My frankness as town doesn't change one bit even if I change playstyle.

It's not AtE, it's just being frank like I was in 1v1 with FL. That's completely different than changing my "style" or whatever.

It's like, I just cut straight to the cheese as town and you hadn't even read that thread while you were reading me here.

[Volpe14]

I think Volpe just has Flavor Fever. He’s heard of my scum game, and is just hyper paranoid.

No, I think your scum game is good but I don't really get paranoid of you, because I don't think you're that good at getting town read as scum.

You're better at influencing gamestate even being scum read as scum.

But this has nothing to do with that.

You just said some really unreasonable shit about my read list

[Volpe14]

Flavor I'm never moving my out of you fwiw.

Nomnom I don't know what to say to you other than consider the mastermind I was in C9++ compared to what you seem to be like "I gotcha you" here.

But like ok If you're town I'm not gonna hold it out against you. Not that I'm town reading you though.

[Volpe14]

Nomnom is fairly scummy to be honest but first I want FL

Her one-sided bashing is something she does quite often as scum actually.

In Colors she kept bashing omochan and in one of her first scum games she kept bashing the easy target Baezu.

She also likes to mislynch so FL/Nomnom makes sense here by the way

[Volpe14]

Ok nomnom, fair.

[Volpe14]

I think Vex is townier for that comment indeed. What makes me think that the Ank/MariaR thing might also be just bias and maybe FL or you is just scum...?

[Volpe14]

It had quite a lot of frustation on it but I really I'm coming to terms with one of FL/nomnom just being actual scum.

[Volpe14]

People forget that I’m actually a much stronger town player than I am a scum player

blah blah blah

don't forget to choose between me and FL

Maybe and just maybe Nomnom

Thank you guys.

[Volpe14]

This 1v1 is kind of unproductive imo

I'm getting a lot more of this 1v1 than what I thought I would get

[Volpe14]

This 1v1 is kind of unproductive imo

Yeah, Volpe stalled it with his lolbadtunnel move. Idk if it’s a town move or a scum move.

GIF is kinda scummy, though, past few pages.

"Volpe is so scummy lol he's scum reading people that scum read him"

LOL

[Volpe14]

/shrug

There's nothing impeding you guys to talk about other things, I'm just pretty ok with at least one of nomnom/FL being scum and I'm ok with dying today.

[Volpe14]

to piggyback off of this, because i feel like it's worth bringing up: one of my teammates said that they don't think nom busses, so if volpe is town, and fl is scum, nom is probably scum too.

Exactly.

I have only seen scum!nomnom do one-sided bashing too in her scum read so I think that also checks out to how she's playing here.

I really think FL/Nomnom turned out oddly reasonable.

[Volpe14]

Man I really hate turning out to this mocking/condescing personality but I'm better off at it than trying to be level-headed here.

It just doesn't work nicely for me.

[Volpe14]

Also Volpe it doesn't help when you act resigned/tunnel/misrepresent stuff

I...honestly am not tunneling anymore.

In the beginning I was a fair bit, but really, it's just coming to me that a PoE of FL/Nomnom is pretty good here.

[Volpe14]

Hmm, I think I mostly finished? my very early reads and I'm looking at:

[Volpe]
[Elements]
[GiF, Fark?, Espresso]
[everyone else] - null or nullscum

What has Elements done to deserve being highest town read?

This is a pretty significant question.

Elements ISO:

VOTE: dave

someone give me a number

no one has given me a number yet
p-edit: what timing

VOTE: volpe

It does look generic and nonsensical, but that's exactly why I think it's kinda positive. Elements is the kind of scum player that would try to look like he's doing stuff, solving the game, etc. However since he's lynched quite a lot, I thought about the possibility of him being scum and not wanting to spill the beans. However, that vote on me really doesn't make sense in that case in my opinion.

In that moment, not even you had expressed any kind of doubt on me and I had the most town leans/positive feedback in-thread I think, therefore he's like, drawing attention to himself in a push he can hardly justify (and it was a naked vote, rather than him trying to give any sort of reason for it).

[Volpe14]

I’ll call your bluff on it if you’d like to die, but I’m not scum here.

It's no bluff.

I think you're just scum but trying to explain it in a level headed way to people is less effective than just actually keep high-lightining it.

I'm also no town leader or whatever so feel free to burn me with fire or something.

[Volpe14]

I'd like to think I got better about it though.

If you're town you didn't but ok.

I don't think you're town anyway and blah blah blah.

[Volpe14]

Kidding nomnom, you're secretly a sweetheart but either your alignment or this game vibe didn't let us happy have a happy ending together and you or me gotta go.

[Volpe14]

I haven't seen any staples of either type of play though and I don't think this merits him being your highest townread.

You would be surprised at the stuff I town read people for

my highest town read in mini normal 2016 was Ben for saying stuff like "I don't have reads"

[Volpe14]

You only turned level-headed when I death locked you FL, before you were just saying some scummy things about my slot.

Like, now it's my turn to ask you, why so defensive?

Just ignore me or something like you said. No need to convince me you're town?

[Volpe14]

Hmm, other stuff for me would be Espresso/GiF/Fark/Elems feel ok to me and that's it.

Now I gotta go.

FL still probably scum.

[Volpe14]

@FL why did you jump from FoS on chenn to a hard attack on someone who voted him?

Ok I can't resist:

He has a red role pm.

[Volpe14]

I...feel like Chennis/FL/Nomnom is a somewhat ok reads for D1.

Like, for people other than Nomnom/FL, I understand I can just be stupidly tunneling them so if you want to ignore me I'm ok with it, but I really think they're just scum right now so...

/shrug.

[Volpe14]

Gave the thread a quick re-read and found this puzzling.

You shouldn't give up that easily.
This being TM and what not.
But I'll take the free D1 scum lynch.

VOTE: volpe

I like Volpe's posts so far. I think this isn't his scumgame at all.

Is this a scumclaim?
This is scumclaim, right?

Volpe wagon is dumb as fuck and whoever is on that wagon for non-meme reasons should feel bad.

Huh. Hm. Awkward.

Like this post.

Nomnom should know better but she doesn't and It makes me doubt she's approaching this in good-faith.

[Volpe14]

It does look generic and nonsensical, but that's exactly why I think it's kinda positive. Elements is the kind of scum player that would try to look like he's doing stuff, solving the game, etc. However since he's lynched quite a lot, I thought about the possibility of him being scum and not wanting to spill the beans. However, that vote on me really doesn't make sense in that case in my opinion.

In that moment, not even you had expressed any kind of doubt on me and I had the most town leans/positive feedback in-thread I think, therefore he's like, drawing attention to himself in a push he can hardly justify (and it was a naked vote, rather than him trying to give any sort of reason for it).

For someone who reacted really strongly to being voted by FL, I'm surprised that the primary reason for a townread would be someone who naked voted you. Maybe that's an oversimplification, but it's the type of thing that catches my eye. Have you played with Elements as both alignments?

I saw him play as both alignments...I think.

I don't remember much other than he made some semi-walling as scum and tried to explain a lot of things so his laid-back nature here is quite nice.

Maybe it's a bit too strong yeah but if you want a comparison, in mystery of box silver I gate town lean Slaxx for voting me when everyone has a positive outlook on me, because the moment/the way he went about it seemed genuine solving.

The problem isn't just FL voting me, it's the shading/egg'ing/distract'ing.

[Volpe14]

Volpe, say you have a confirmed green me, look at GIF.

I can be pocketed yes but right now I don't think GiF is scum at all. Nice pocket for him if it's the case.

I would rather lose to him than any of my scum leans.

[Volpe14]

I'm not annoyed I'm genuinely scum reading you and mind you I would have benefited a lot more from scum reading people I get mad at 1v1.

I got mad at awesteu or something in Panic Room, she was scum.

I got mad at Radiant in Hope Plus, he was scum.

I got mad at wilky in my newbie game, he was scum.

I got mad at mutant in Open Noir, he was scum.

I'm not even nitpicking to be honest. I think other than that I had one or other spat but most of them I really was talking to scum?

Like, ok, you can be town, there's that possibility FL, but I just don't believe it so can you for god sake stop trying to convince me you're town directly like this?

Maybe I don't know, keep playing the game and I might miraculously change my mind but I don't think it's happening at all.

[Volpe14]

I even jumped all over someone who was posting only frog(?) images with different expressions because as far as I'm concerned it's the next best thing to an unbreakable code.

I smiled.

[Volpe14]

It's bullshit GiF but I think FL today is like, higher equity here.

Like, I really think it's just either FL or Nom right now. I can't believe both flipping town ever, in fact I think both are red.

Chennis maybe a third.

[Volpe14]

GiF which is everyone opinion in FL?

[Volpe14]

Its not just RC

I want to know what GiF think of you as well.

[Volpe14]

I'm afraid that if we get nomnom wrong though there's no hype for FL

in a world where it's FL/nomnom killing nomnom first to gain town standing is a good move but grrr, I kind of like FL first...but bah

I can understand the logic...I think.

[Volpe14]

FL have you ever seen the "Boy that cried wolf" tale or something?

You're the "master" of disinformation/antics, and that works for your good in some cases, but in this case there's literally no reason to anyone believe whatever antics you're coming up with. I do think you're scum and I'm not really interested about RC vs You history. All that matters to me is this game and I'm scum reading you and I'm sorry if I'm wrong but there are things that need to be done for the game to move on.

[Volpe14]

Man mafia games as town are something straight from hell.

I'm gonna feel really stupid and sad if I'm wrong here but...like...I can't come up with any believable reason to myself to think I should look elsewhere.

I just want those flips. You can belittle me in the dead thread if I'm wrong. It would be roughly fair.

[Volpe14]

I also believe it's healthy to lynch nomnom because of that if anyone is wondering.

She like, clearly knew the implication but still tried to shade it.

I really think it's something scum!nomnom would do.

[Volpe14]

I'm not sure I understand the RL example but let's go with that

[Volpe14]

VOTE: FL

FL have you ever seen the "Boy that cried wolf" tale or something?

You're the "master" of disinformation/antics, and that works for your good in some cases, but in this case there's literally no reason to anyone believe whatever antics you're coming up with. I do think you're scum and I'm not really interested about RC vs You history. All that matters to me is this game and I'm scum reading you and I'm sorry if I'm wrong but there are things that need to be done for the game to move on.

You are insanely pocketed if you are town.

UNVOTE: Volpe

I just wanted to high-light this that has a 1 minute difference.

[Volpe14]

I would answer you daves, but I don't know any celebrities or media people at all.

I do think that it fits the flavor...probably.

I'm really lazy right now so google isn't a possibility.

like, I don't think that flavor is relevant in a large team mafia game, really.

[Volpe14]

Man, mafia games really are unhealthy as town aren't them?

It's quite gruesome when we come into this state where people are bashing each other but I don't think we could make it pretty and effective at the same time I guess.

[Volpe14]

Oh right, I think Vex is more likely town than not for the original/believable comment on nomnom.

Weak stuff but it's what we have right now.

[Volpe14]

It's really not about RC so like, don't try to discret our reads on you because of RC history with you or whatever.

This is a me/GiF read as well. RC just roughly agrees with it.

[Volpe14]

I also get into spats with scum all the time.

There it goes, If that's the kind of game you want to play

[Volpe14]

you'll forgive me for skipping it, right? :')

Spoiler:

[Volpe14]

my townblock is getting bigger and I'm happy about that

I hope it doesn't have either nom or FL there.

[Volpe14]

I'm really probably not listening to you in that case Ank

[Volpe14]

Like, honestly, it's not helping my own objective of getting FL/Nomnom lynched here to keep insisting on it so early

so I'll let you guys breath and later come back when it's a proper time to actually push a wagon lynch on them

If we people just lynch one of them now though I will gladly accept it.

[Volpe14]

why would you say that as town?

I think you might have bad reads this time around?

I'm doubtful you can say anything to change my mind on either of them.

I've seen nomnom play so meta isn't really helpful here

I don't think you're a FL specialist such that you've a 90% or around that read accuracy on him, therefore I'm not putting your read on him over mine (and like, meta doesn't really help in his case)

I'm really not interested in your slot altogether right now other than considering you could help us out on their wagons

But like, I'm gonna at least read your posts, but I doubt I'll care that much

[Volpe14]

I don't know why you would specifically say that you aren't going to listen to me instead of immediately just hard disagreeing or really anything but that?

After 15 pages here I'm done and in a sour mood to discuss about it so...

I probably should sleep.

[Volpe14]

FL/Nomnom sticking to each other is so cute my heart flutters

[Volpe14]

GAHAHA

Like honestly, I was going into my read "is this really not me making a fool of myself here?"

But like, Ank shows up and Flavor beings like "waittt, volpe is scummy ~~ man we probably should reconsider him shouldn't we"

I'M

DYING

I LITERALLY CANNOT BELIEVE THAT DOESN'T FLIP RED

[Volpe14]

Hmmm, I would be kind of ok with a FL/Nomnom/Chennis/Ank

Also Chennis began to push Fark when he was pushing Ank I think so let that settle in maybe

I feel like I can put my soul to rest now for the rest of this day phase, I'm ok with being wrong about this by this point.

[Volpe14]

"townblock" gahahah

[Volpe14]

I think real townblock is [Volpe/GiF/Espresso/Elems/Fark/Vex]

I'm going to focus my energy mostly there about blocking.

[Volpe14]

Honestly, that’s the most surface level scum list i have ever seen. Not even shade, it’s just...how do you deadass believe that’s the scum team.

It's like, fairly icky but I think it's more of a

at least one between [Nomnom, FL]

at least one between [Chennis, Ank]

but yeah maybe it can be everyone idk, I'm not looking for a exact solve, just where my head is at

[Volpe14]

I'm gonna feel so stupid if nomnom/FL are both town. but whatever.

[Volpe14]

FL is this really cute wolf saying "hey guys I'm one of you" but you turn around your head for a bit and chew chew chew he's trying to kill you again

scary stuff.

[Volpe14]

I'm really doing well holding onto this game.

I'm proud of you GiF, as either alignment (I think you're town etc)

[Volpe14]

Do I need to highlight that Ank popped in defended FL/Nomnom and vanished?

[Volpe14]

I don't know ank, do you...?

You kind of popped in to catch up but started to talk as if you already knew what was going on in the game and just gave reads in 10 minutes so...?

Like, I think it bugs me more the fact you started talking as if you was inside of what was going on in the game rather than just stopping talking. Like, as if the sole purpose of you coming here was to relieve pressure?

[Volpe14]

It's literally around 10 minutes from your first post to when you begin to write about FL/Nomnom town so how much catch up can you do in 10 minutes while also writing some posts?

It doesn't seem like a lot so where are those magical reads coming from is a good question.

[Volpe14]

Actually I'm getting out of the Nomnom/FL thing to just say that I think those Ank reads are some real BS and I'm more interested on hearing her than anything right now.

[Volpe14]

It's literally around 10 minutes from your first post to when you begin to write about FL/Nomnom town so how much catch up can you do in 10 minutes while also writing some posts?

It doesn't seem like a lot so where are those magical reads coming from is a good question.

I read up to page like 17 before I posted the first time

Your last post before showing up now was in page 10, your first post here begins with a "~ 15 new pages, you shouldn't have" at exactly page 25 which strikes me as if you're still in page 10 (10 + 15 = 25 or something) so like...sweetie I'm sorry if I'm wrong but this really doesn't sound believable.

[Volpe14]

That's unfortunately true if you're town by this point Ank.

[Volpe14]

GiF, do you also think that lynching Nomnom/FL/Ank is a good idea or...?

[Volpe14]

Like, I don't think there's a universe where that pool is all town

it would be a really weird universe for me.

[Volpe14]

This is a really weird game.

[Volpe14]

But now that I'm ok with my reads in a spiritual level I'm ok with being more friendly and flirting until the fateful time for a lynch comes

[Volpe14]

you're not going to try to lynch me?

I'm disappointed

I only aim to disappoint.

[Volpe14]

Spoiler, Farkran, Nom ended up voting me, and now it’s more of a Volpe vs Ankamius thing with GIF behind Volpe, and Nom and I behind Ank, but I’m thinking Nom could be scum.

No actually I just want to lynch all of you because I feel there is no way there isn't scum in these icky interactions, that's different.

[Volpe14]

Is volpe a player adept at pocketing people? I wouldn't describe him like that, he fits more with a tunneler, soft paranoid profile.

@Volpe is there a meta reason why you're townreading elements?

There's not

I'm just really grasping at straws in hindsight but I'm not sure what do in this playerlist otherwise

By number alone you can say there's a bunch of townies that aren't posting much and those town reads is the best I could muster up.

[Volpe14]

I'm either hard pocketed by Fark/GiF by this moment or I've just found some mason partners for this game.

We're all in synch too which is nice.

It's a cool pocket if it's one, I'm sliding deep on it.

[Volpe14]

Maybe I could give dave a town lean too...his flavor questioning post really would be weird coming from scum that would probably not try to fearmonge in flavor antics?

I don't know, not really that strong of a read so for town...

[Volpe/Fark/GiF/Espresso/Elems/Dave/Vex]

I think it's a good block especially because we're somewhat roughly in synch/with a similar mindset.

Dave/Espresso/Elems, where you stand at Nom/FL/Ank take we have going?

[Volpe14]

I feel like it's just more likely he's town since it's easier to ride the chaos that swept in at the same time to completely dismantle the wagon rather than just say "OK I'M NOT GOING TO FIGHT, PLEASE WAGON ME"

Actually FL was like "We're going to kill you, you know?" when I first started to wagon him and only later he started to back down on it so I'm not sure this match reality as nicely as it sounds.

[Volpe14]

I'm not sure what I was seeing on chennis to link up with others but I'm not really seeing it that much anymore

not townreading the slot but I'm kind of like, nullish on it.

[Volpe14]

It's our second day and I'm already done with this game to be fair.

I already have many regrets regardless of how this turns out.

Anyway in a holistic sense I think voting nomnom here before sorting FL/Ank might be kind of optimal.

[Volpe14]

If I take a step back it's not impossible that FL/Ank are just town although nomnom is the one I doubt the most about being town at all, but like, I'm not seeing scum elsewhere

There's a lack of posting from some players here though but that doesn't really change the whole picture if the entire scum team isn't the lurkers.

[Volpe14]

Hmm...

[Volpe, GiF, Fark] - Town
[Elems, Espresso] - Likely town
[Chennis, Dave] - nulltown
[A50, kuribo, DeasVail, Gamma, MariaR, Volxen, Dr EB] - null
[Ank, Flavor] - nullscum
[nomnom] - likely scum

p-edit: there's nothing more to leak about our hood to be fair. It's really everything in the open.

[Volpe14]

I could think about reconsidering that if you had a cuter anime avatar.

[Volpe14]

Well I guess I'm getting lynched today huh

I wouldn't say that to be fair especially if you're scum.

For example, I think that if you gave around 24 hours to the thread, let everyone else check in, and come up with "I need to reorganize my reads", pretend to re:read and begin pushing in somewhere between Gamma or something you could make a pretty good push/wagon to be fair.

You're actually just really sitting here in defeatism instead of trying to reassess where your head is at the game currently, which I honestly think it's a trait of cornered mafia but ok. I've seen...sometimes that happens to town.

You tried bringing up GiF or etc but when it didn't get heat you dropped it like you dropped your push on me when it started backfiring. You're at this exact moment waiting to see responses on GiF before starting to get some track on it. It's...very political in a not positive way.

[Volpe14]

You first had an easy town read on me but dropped it in a hat when I began to get heat, and really tried to rile up me, but when it started to go off the trail you just began to drop it again.

Right now you're still waiting for support to do anything about GiF too.

I'm more collected now and I'll be slightly shocked if you don't flip just red here.

[Volpe14]

Then if you think me/GiF are just town what exactly are you doing right now other than trying to make us pity you...?

Also like, why you think it's important whatsoever for us to comment more about the hood when everyone is already town reading GiF and to a lesser extent me?

[Volpe14]

You want to "Let the remaining things about the hood" stay alone, but at the same time you're asking "why there isn't more discussion about the hood?" in thread, while you apparently already have your hood situation solved so not sure why that would still be the top thing in your mind?

I understand having the hood in the back of your mind yet but bringing attention to it while trying to leave it alone doesn't add up, neither does the fact you've mostly concluded your opinions on it but hasn't moved to anything else?

[Volpe14]

What I wanted is that despite the disaster that GIF created I wanted to see what other people would say to sort them

That really doesn't sound more plausible than you trying to get a read on anyone else by yourself.

I think from what I remember in your whole past ISO you only talked about me, FL, GiF and one commentary post about Vex.

You didn't try to read by yourself any other slots or question anything in thread other than the trendy things. I don't see either how people talking about GiF would be useful if you think that he's that evidently town? Or even what usefulness it would have for people to comment on what they think of someone outing their hoods.

It's like...

seriously?

[Volpe14]

I'm sorry but we're on a game that for me to kill you I need consensus support so highlighting what I think are your mistakes on copying a town mindset is literally my job sweetie.

I'll vote you when it's later in the day and time to kill, for now I'm showing everyone why I think there's something wrong with your slot while also giving you the opportunity to talk about your thoughts and if town maybe miraculously make me or other people that scum read you understand how you're green or something.

[Volpe14]

@Nomnom No one needs to gauge interest in your lynch when you're such a popular scum read...

Like, even your push on Fark now is really lacking in substance. You think that Farkis gauging interest in your "mislynch" so you just say "die scum" instead of going to his ISO and trying to stir something with him?

It eerily reminds me of you in Colors just sitting there and repeating in loop "omochan is bad" "omochan is bad" "omochan is bad" while not even bothering to put some substance on it.

[Volpe14]

@Chennis it may look foreign/superficial or etc but I'm skeptical that the flavor post comes from scum!daves, like, why would he be thinking about flavor in that way as scum?

I don't feel like he would think that anyone not fitting in flavor would be a strong PR or something, but maybe he wanted to fearmonge the possibilities of flavor saying something.

I think it needs more substance but I feel like it's not a read I would pursue right now.

Gamma looks more interesting though.

[Volpe14]

No.

Me/GiF had a whole page of spat in our PT before we apologized to each other and made up. It really was obvious why GiF was town reading me and nomnom saying "awkward" to it is really just lame shading...

[Volpe14]

Hate to say this, but a complete and utter denial of reality seems very town indicative for this game

You're very self-righteous and it's not funny.

[Volpe14]

It's pretty odd to call it useless when it convinced people to look at FL to be fair.

Also it made nomnom put content which you're using in your read on her so...?

Most of the progression that happened in this thread right now is based in the 1v1.

[Volpe14]

If there is a vigging hood, which probably exists, consider vigging Dr Easy for everyone sanity because I think every other slot will sooner or later put some content

Then yeah.

[Volpe14]

How do you get DeasVail as null?

If someone pointed a gun to my head and said "DV reads or your life is over" I would say "town", because his posting feels light hearted and without an agenda/pretentious nature to it.

But I don't think he has enough to actually get on my positive read list compared to my other leans. To be fair, I think that my reads this game are some major bullshit and I'm pretending a lot of confidence that isn't there.

But like...I still think it's worth following it for now hmm

[Volpe14]

I'm not sure if I posted here or it's only in my PTs my reasons to town read people but I think I've more than "it's gut" to it, but DV read only really be just gut mostly.

I feel like my Fark read has a lot of gut/instinct to it though, but I don't know...I just don't know what else perspective to look at this from.

[Volpe14]

To be fair, I think that my reads this game are some major bullshit and I'm pretending a lot of confidence that isn't there.

i relate to that on a spiritual level


have you tried screaming at people for a while? you can practice on me if you want

what you project is what you become

I kind of like as a personal philosophy to be someone frank though

It's just really hard to play mafia without faking confidence.

I wonder if it would be ok to just nope it out right now and take back all my reads and active lurk happily

Like, I said this as scum before but this time it's for real, I think I'm REALLY bleeding town right now to a point I would need to insanely insanely motivated as scum to try to fake it which doesn't happen when I've recently played two long scum games.

[Volpe14]

it's still early enough that i'll allow gut reads

I kind of don't like to have reads I can easily go back on because I always end up in a spiral.

[Volpe14]

I don't find you scummy, but I wasn't sure how anyone could come to some of those reads you had. I feel the motivation thing but in reverse. I hate rolling town.

I once town read a newbie because she said she was townreading someone for their avatar.

Let that sink in I guess(she was really town).

[Volpe14]

I don't find you scummy, but I wasn't sure how anyone could come to some of those reads you had. I feel the motivation thing but in reverse. I hate rolling town.

I once town read a newbie because she said she was townreading someone for their avatar.

Let that sink in I guess(she was really town).

I once lynched scum by wagoning my strongest townread

I once wagoned someone because one of my other hydra heads had claimed mason with them for no reason, and the other person didn't deny it.

One time I wagoned someone because I dreamed they were scum. My dream was correct.

I was gonna say I once town leaned someone for posting smileys but I couldn't hope to compete with such wildness like yours.

You're a wild one among the wilds.

[Volpe14]

In my second game in the site I had a theory that the mod was a player in the game while not knowing anyone alignment by a certain method though

That stuff discredit my reasonableness here but who cares, let's have fun

(fwiw my recent scum hunting track is ok-ish I think?)

[Volpe14]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: nomnom

Actually screw it I'm kinda noping out of this tbh

I'm gonna keep GiF as my main town read and Fark as a rough town lean but that's roughly it

nomnom I feel like it's still a ok lynch

FL/Ank are also but I'm tired of getting denied on those so if they are scum I don't really care right now it's not my fault if they endgame

who knows maybe you guys are right and it's davez, gamma or something

[Volpe14]

I feel a lot lighter now that I stopped subconsciously trying to take responsibility for the game to be fair.

p-edit: FL "paranoia" is...cute.

[Volpe14]

A50 you're too late to the party, I already booked this game.

FL/Nomnom by the way now it's the perfect time for a U-turn on me because I surely am not going to fight back.