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You have done this TWICE as scum good sir it will NOT work a THIRD time
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I was doing this great thing called sleeping and watching anime soIn post 147, GuyInFreezer wrote:Also I think chennis would be more hyped than this so I throw my coin of concern that way.-
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I've actually probably posted maybe 10 times in all lowercase ever in my past few games
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It kind of taught me more about how I approached the game and approached scum vs how I approach town, so I think it came at a good time for my scumgame as people were starting to figure it outIn post 167, nomnomnom wrote:I know I'm just so proud of that one scum read I had with that lol
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I don't have a lot of meta with him so it's not metaIn post 192, Farkran wrote:
Why do you think espresso is an easy lynch based on what happened so far? He only interacted with 2 or 3 people and is only fossed by maria and anka, with just 1 vote from maria. There's nothing pointing to him being lynchbait at this pointIn post 182, chennisden wrote:I think EP is actually a really easy lynch and might not be scum at this point
Or is there any meta reason i am not aware of?
I feel like his position is uniquely one which will cascade into a lynch. Like, he feels really lynchable. If I were scum that would be an avenue that I'd take eventually-
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I think I need to be wary of Farkran and Volxen right now. My Farkran read is more serious/developed.
Farkran because his posts contain a certain "reasonableness" that haswordsbut flow in a way that makes it so I'm not really inclined toreadthem beyond surface level
Volxen because I think he's ballsy enough to try to pocket me again as scum
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I've ISO dug him and looked specifically for "stuff that sounds like he's doing stuff but won't be dug in too deeply." I came out with pretty much his entire ISO.
Please read these quotes word-for-word and not gloss over them. I initially got a towny feel from him because I wasn't really considering his content or tone specifically but rather the general feels he gave, which I think is pretty common in scum players these days.
(I might double-check with meta if I feel like it but I think Farkran being scum is likely to be independent of meta.)
Uncharacteristically serious reaction to something that was probably meant to be jokey. Reads poorly through a tone perspective as well.In post 86, Farkran wrote:
That's my question to you. You went out of your way to say i am pocketing you, but made no mention of my other townreads.In post 85, Ankamius wrote:Why does that have to be the case?
I think town would have either said nothing or ask me why i am townreading them and the other guys rather than instantly fossing me for pocketing.
Why? Do you agree with my other reads so much that you don't need to question them?
Also weird, don't understand the A50 calloutIn post 91, Farkran wrote:VOTE: ankamius
Reconsidering my previous read after this very weak exchange
@a50 what do you think of anka rn?
This is terrible.In post 129, Farkran wrote:
This post is observant of you, but it lacks a conclusion statement - do you think deas flavor could be AI, or indicative of anything else relevant? Was it just a note?In post 106, EspressoPatronum wrote:Spoiler: a million flavour signals
You make crumbing look like a baking contest.
The quote from EP is also pretty bad.In post 134, Farkran wrote:@volpe generally speaking i understand your concerns but surely you must have some thoughts about anka now, if not about him directly, you should have noticed some people revolving around him
From your posts i get that you're trying to give your direction to the game and that is NAI - not being trustful of other players fits either with a paranoid town mindset or a scum looking for a broad lynchpool
Which one are you?
First line is pretty NAIIn post 138, Farkran wrote:
I like playing scum, won 2 games so far, one of them being the one you recently hostes so you should know more than other players here how i go around as scumIn post 133, GuyInFreezer wrote:Personally my opinion of Fark's list is "bad."
Not alignment-indicative. Just bad.
Farkran how confident are you in your scum game?
What makes my list bad to you? As in, what reads would you consider wrong and why?
Second seems too earnest
This is pretty awful like actually READ this post.In post 142, Farkran wrote:
I honestly forgot about you in the normal dead chat, sorry i remember liking your posts but i didn't associate them with your nickname (i.e. in my mind i went like "player x posted stuff i like"). It may be helpful but i cannot form a super specific profile of you based on that only. Spectating is way different than actively playing.In post 139, Volpe14 wrote:
You've watched me solve that normal 2106 in the dead thread, didn't you?In post 134, Farkran wrote:@volpe generally speaking i understand your concerns but surely you must have some thoughts about anka now, if not about him directly, you should have noticed some people revolving around him
From your posts i get that you're trying to give your direction to the game and that is NAI - not being trustful of other players fits either with a paranoid town mindset or a scum looking for a broad lynchpool
Which one are you?
Do you think you need to ask what kind of player I'm? Do you really have no speculations of your own?
That being said i already offered my interpretation of your posts here, and i want to hear more of your opinions of the current gamestate.
Right now you are mostly dodging questions and/or turning them back at who asked them, which is fine for a while but some answers would also be appreciated
"Right now you are mostly dodging questions and/or turning them back at who asked them,which is fine for a while but some answers would also be appreciated"
What the actual heck is this
How did he get away with this
The content isn't necessarilyIn post 145, Farkran wrote:
I interpret this opinion as in everyone is currently null to you?In post 141, GuyInFreezer wrote: Also I called it bad purely because it was out of place.
Correct me if i am wrong - i fail to see the need of commenting my readlist if you don't agree nor disagree with it, unless you think i made it up in which case you are currently scumleaning me - again, please tell me where i am wrong, i don't want to put words in your mouth, just voicing my thoughtsbadper say, but I don't really think that an actual town human being really thinks this. Sounds like scum trying to cover bases
Tone is weird.
Weird I guess, but fineIn post 146, Farkran wrote:
Sorry, my post was before i read your 140In post 144, Volpe14 wrote:Last post because I'm getting back to work
I did answer you on ank/vex though so I'm not sure what I'm dodging. It may look like I'm dodging since I throw a curve ball back but I think I more or less answered most things?
Anyway I'm just slow to give reads because I like the reads to be grounded, so I'm careful about what I say. I also think that most posts in a mafia game are a bit useless because I get my reads from 2 or 3 posts each person have that in my head I go "This really comes more often than town" or "This comes more often from scum".
I'm mostly looking around and waiting everyone to post enough to find meaningful posts for everyone or something
I'd mostly like to hear your read of anka - or why you aren't interested in their posts given that you said you skimmed them.
I mean, i'm trying to build a profile of people around me because i literally haven't played with anyone in this plist, i just vaguely know some people from minor interactions like gif modding me or you posting stuff in that dead chat
What the fuck is this questionIn post 154, Farkran wrote:
Is this your posting or team's?In post 149, GuyInFreezer wrote:
UT is scum. That's for sure.In post 145, Farkran wrote:
I interpret this opinion as in everyone is currently null to you?In post 141, GuyInFreezer wrote: Also I called it bad purely because it was out of place.
Correct me if i am wrong - i fail to see the need of commenting my readlist if you don't agree nor disagree with it, unless you think i made it up in which case you are currently scumleaning me - again, please tell me where i am wrong, i don't want to put words in your mouth, just voicing my thoughts
Your readlist is horrible because you declared yourself as a king of readlists and yet you put "gif" and "powerscumming" together but I have tried very hard to drop that bias you see. So with dropping that bias, it rose to "bad."
It's also out of place because it's a first post readlist very early stage. Things like that is usually done by people who wants to be townread, and it should be concerning unless I know that they're the self-conscious type. I called it NAI because both town and scum can do it.
Probably the towniest thing he's posted this gameIn post 189, Farkran wrote:Let's talk more about Espresso. I see some common opinion forming on him that i don't agree with and i'd like to understand why. I'll go into detail in my next posts
Although, unsurprisingly, it's still possible to ascribe some scum motivation to thisIn post 190, Farkran wrote:
Do you think espresso jumped opportunistically on the wagon against anka? Does this mean you think Anka's recent exchanges are NAI and this is scum!espresso trying to find scum motivation where you think there isn't any?In post 174, MariaR wrote:This though, this sucks.
VOTE: Espresso Pat
I feel like this is a surface level ready that scum go on. One of those classic 'hey this post looks scummy I can vote it.' Because town normally thinks a bit more about the posts in question. Like, why does scum Ank feel the need to backtrack so suddenly? It's not like Ank is a scared scum player or she needed to take back the read. No one was keeping pressure on her. I think this guy was just trying to find something to cling to.
More specifically, why do you think Espresso has voted ankamius based on a superficial analysis whereas you don't find Ankamius reactions superficial?
Also sounds earnest and weirdIn post 191, Farkran wrote:
Do you just agree with maria here or do you have your own reasons for believing espresso could be the only scum in your current wagon of {GIF, nom³, fark, espresso}?In post 176, Ankamius wrote:I'm reasonably confident that the only possible scum on my wagon is espresso
Very meh post, sounds earnest againIn post 192, Farkran wrote:
Why do you think espresso is an easy lynch based on what happened so far? He only interacted with 2 or 3 people and is only fossed by maria and anka, with just 1 vote from maria. There's nothing pointing to him being lynchbait at this pointIn post 182, chennisden wrote:I think EP is actually a really easy lynch and might not be scum at this point
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TL;DR I don't want to read a wall:
1) Farkran's ISO is towny on a surface level but actually bad if you read it
2) He's posting in a way that makes it really easy to just skim/not actually read his posts but moreso focus on the interactionsaroundhim, which really just comes from scum a lot (see Reundo in Large normal 224, etc)
3) Sounds reasonable at first glance but there's a lot of scummy overeagerness, which as #2 says, kind of doesn't get read into
I don't care, please give me the summarized one-liner:
"Right now you are mostly dodging questions and/or turning them back at who asked them,which is fine for a while but some answers would also be appreciated" is scummy as fuck
"Right now you are mostly dodging questions and/or turning them back at who asked them,which is fine for a while but some answers would also be appreciated" is scummy as fuck
"Right now you are mostly dodging questions and/or turning them back at who asked them,which is fine for a while but some answers would also be appreciated" is scummy as fuck
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"Right now you are mostly dodging questions and/or turning them back at who asked them,which is fine for a while but some answers would also be appreciated" is scummy as fuck-
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Ya I get that feel, happens when youre in the wrong headspace for this gameIn post 213, Flavor Leaf wrote:I’ve like tried to catch up, and I’m physically reading, but it just isn’t sticking in my head right now. Anyone else get like that sometimes?-
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Is this really something you do as town?In post 290, Farkran wrote:
I was just about to post an updated one.In post 262, Elements wrote:I'm feeling like Farkran atm
Don't like how he came in claiming to be the king of read lists but has only done one so far
VOTE: Farkran
TOWN
Volpe*
nomnomnom*
GIF
Vex vience
Espresso
DeasVail
Elements
Gammagooey
davesaz
Maria
NULL
Volxen
DEB
Flavor Leaf
Kuribo
A50
SCUM
Anka
Chennis*
Starred reads are stronger ones, the rest are weak or in some cases extremely weak. I am kinda puzzled about the recent GIF but he's still fairly high. Analysis of my previous readlist is weird, but it often comes from town. Vote on volpe is weird, didn't understand where that came from, @GIF if you want to enlighten me i'm all ears
I kinda liked elements pop-in, despite voting for me shortly after. Seemed a good way to put the thread back on track after it was slightly falling off, but i'd like him to produce more content on the previous gamestate.
I want to sort Anka and chennis. The latter refusing to take a stance on the currently highest wagon is bad, adding up to all the other reasons i'm scumreading him. I may decide to switch my vote to chennis soon - waiting for some more content from him and anka though.
Everyone else i have already talked about or is weak enough that i don't have much to say about
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In post 201, chennisden wrote:WallIn post 239, Flavor Leaf wrote:Can anyone turn Fakran’s wall post into like 2-3 sentences?
I’m curious about if people can do that, not moreso on not wanting to read the wall, if that makes sense.
Also not sure what you're trying to pull here FL, since my wall was before your firstIn post 292, Flavor Leaf wrote:Fakran’s posting style seems like Scum Brian Skies, if anyone gets that.mentionof Farkran.-
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The reason I'm not taking a stance on Ank is because I don't have enough actual content to make a readIn post 290, Farkran wrote:
I want to sort Anka and chennis. The latter refusing to take a stance on the currently highest wagon is bad, adding up to all the other reasons i'm scumreading him. I may decide to switch my vote to chennis soon - waiting for some more content from him and anka though.
Also do you really expect me to really care about who's the biggest wagon at 300 posts
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I added (ingame) to clarify that it's not actually offending, I mean saying something wrong and getting scumreadIn post 308, Farkran wrote:
I do hate offending people - as in actually insulting or disrespecting them. But posting readlists is what i do, and there are plenty of instances in my (short) meta in this site. I don't see any reason why i wouldn't, and i can guarantee i wasn't being submissive to elements' request, it's just part of my playstyle - especially early playstyle.In post 300, chennisden wrote:Farkran you're either scum or you're town playing in a too careful and tense manner.
If you're town I'd like to work with you. Note I'm not voting you. Instead of trying to fulfill every player's requests and obligations and tensing up, being afraid to offend someone (ingame) you should loosen up.
On the offchance you are actually trying to sort me, take a look at that. And i am still waiting your stance on ankamius, i don't believe you could produce thoughts on espresso but not on her
pedit: about nom, i liked pretty much his every post so far. Nothing scummy, and i am favoring players who try to produce content about the gamestate rather than deviating it.
Talk about your scumread on me. From my POV it looks contrived and made up.
I also don't see why any sort of read on Espresso has to be accompanied by an Ank read-
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You could click the link to post 201 and check what it actually says before posting thisIn post 310, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Are you implying that you saying wall is pushing Fakran here?In post 307, chennisden wrote:In post 201, chennisden wrote:WallIn post 239, Flavor Leaf wrote:Can anyone turn Fakran’s wall post into like 2-3 sentences?
I’m curious about if people can do that, not moreso on not wanting to read the wall, if that makes sense.
Also not sure what you're trying to pull here FL, since my wall was before your firstIn post 292, Flavor Leaf wrote:Fakran’s posting style seems like Scum Brian Skies, if anyone gets that.mentionof Farkran.
Be forewarned, if you actually said something prior, then I am mistaken, but if you’re implying that “wall” is you pushing Fakran prior to me, that’s just hilarious regardless of your alignment-
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I think it's really very clear that it's a gamestate reaction, so "unmotivated" is untrue. Also, since it's a gamestate reaction, my lack of enthusiasm to call EP scum is because EP being scum feels "too good to be true."In post 319, Farkran wrote:
Yes, i do. You went out of your way to produce a (unmotivated) stance on espresso who had way less content than anka did, implying you did not agree with Maria (and to a lesser extent Anka) scumleaning the slot, so i find it weird that you had not said a word about Anka herself.In post 309, chennisden wrote:
The reason I'm not taking a stance on Ank is because I don't have enough actual content to make a readIn post 290, Farkran wrote:
I want to sort Anka and chennis. The latter refusing to take a stance on the currently highest wagon is bad, adding up to all the other reasons i'm scumreading him. I may decide to switch my vote to chennis soon - waiting for some more content from him and anka though.
Also do you really expect me to really care about who's the biggest wagon at 300 posts
Do you really
Pedit: i think i have talked plenty about why i am scumreading you in my recent posting. Read on espresso felt TMI, your push on me is awful, and not voting here when you literally screamed i am scum also looks like you're trying to avoid looking bad - note that you didn't ask me or prod me about anything, you just threw a (bad) scumcase towards me.
VOTE: chennis, could be scumpartners with Anka but, slots taken independently, i scumread this more.
The reason I didn't say anything about Ank is because I don't really have a read on Ank
How I feel about EP doesn't really change that much right now based on their alignments
Trying to parse their alignments from EP is kind of useless right now
"TMI":It's a gamestate read, not really sure how I'm supposed to respond to that. Also this implies you believe it's TMI because there's no reason to do so in the gamestate when the opposite is true
"Awful push":I'll be primary looking at 227.
I assume your comment on A50 is referring to "Also weird, don't understand the A50 callout." I saw your scumread on him. That's not a satisfactory reason to "why did you ask A50specifically." In fact that's not even areason.
"Moreover, you twisted the sentence you bolded out thrice"
No. The sentence "Right now you are mostly dodging questions and/or turning them back at who asked them, which is fine for a while but some answers would also be appreciated" implies that you're okay with your questions being ignored. This also implies you're okay with ignoring scummy behavior in favor of avoiding noise. I don't think I've misrepresented what you've said.
"It's superficial"
Nope
"1) Farkran's ISO is towny on a surface level but actually bad if you read it
2) He's posting in a way that makes it really easy to just skim/not actually read his posts but moreso focus on the interactions around him, which really just comes from scum a lot (see Reundo in Large normal 224, etc)
3) Sounds reasonable at first glance but there's a lot of scummy overeagerness, which as #2 says, kind of doesn't get read into"
I think this is non-trivial. I also don't think you've responded to this at all.
"Turning questions back at who asked them can come from town"
Anything can come back from town. This is 1) really wishy-washy language and 2) means nothing to me.
"the correct course of action would have been to delve deep into my reads"
I could literally put the majority of the playerlist in an RNG and it'd offer as much information as your readlists
Spoiler: readslist
"which is based on literally your gut feeling alone."
Gut is valuable and it's actually a really good way to catch wolves, especially deepwolves. Probably a playstyle difference, but I believe there's this non-formalizable and hard to word exactly feeling that you justgetfrom people and their posting and scum benefits a lot off of people not actuallygettingmuch from (shallow) posting.
"This in particular feels like you are actively trying to SQUEEZE out scum motivation from my posts instead of deducing it. Like, why would you find scum motivation in me talking about espresso when you were townreading him just moments ago?"
If I townread everyone who agreed with me on something I'd be somehow worse than I am now at mafia
"Not voting me":It's easier to sort someone when you have a vote that hangs in the balance. This comes down to personal preference really, and right now I feel it's a net loss if I vote you
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I don't think you've really talked about me a lot and "Ctrl+F Chennis" supports thisIn post 355, Volpe14 wrote:
I meant that people in general didn't talk about Chennis that much, not meIn post 352, Flavor Leaf wrote:Then talk about it more. I’m not stopping you.-
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In post 397, Volpe14 wrote:Would you be willing to join Chennis wagon for now?
This is also bad VolpeIn post 398, Volpe14 wrote:I'm indecisive about Chennis alignment and I think that would help me out-
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This is absolutely true.In post 420, Flavor Leaf wrote:I also didn’t hard push, I just voted.
People act like I’m some pariah god here. Without any meta on me as a player, this would have been taken much better.
Also, Volpe’s scum list is literally a combination of anyone going after him.
I feel scum are more likely to defend townVolpe in this scenario, so if Volpe is town, dave is probably lock scum.-
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I don't really think so? If I didn't say anything Farkran is the type of slot that would've gone for a long time unnoticed and not really thought about, which would've been bad regardless of his alignment.In post 425, Volpe14 wrote:I wanted to have my scum leans more sorted out before saying anything but hmmm dunno
MariaR/Vex/Ank have some pretty interesting dinamic.
Ank had just posted before, but instead of calling her out for a chat, Vex called me, and in the second question asked me how I feel about ank, while his read on Fark was pretty vague.
MariaR comes later with a push on Espresso for gunning for Ank, and says that "likes where nomnom head is" on Vex but doesn't think negatively of Vex apparently.
It really needed more development to flesh out but I'm getting annoyed with this gamestate.
Nomnom vote is odd to me when she should know a bit better about my scum game but again, I don't really expect her to have accuracy on reading me so dunno. The whole vote just feels very sheepy of FL vibe though.
Chennis is kind of over the top on Fark readbut I kind of think it may not be something scum!Chennis goes for? I don't know. I wanted the wagon to develop to sort it out but that happened.-
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The fact that this is how you're playing means I feel very comfortable giving your reads no credence in this game.In post 710, Volpe14 wrote:Do I need to highlight that Ank popped in defended FL/Nomnom and vanished?-
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That's actually not it at all, it's largely a tonereadIn post 783, Farkran wrote:
"guy agrees with me"In post 531, chennisden wrote:Btw I think Gammagooey is a pretty towny slot
"i townread guy"
Yeah. Chennis is town, confident in that. I suggest to be less superficial and emotional about your reads, though.
Before you call me out for posting superficial readlists as well, you should notice the difference in pushing hard reads (what you have been doing) as opposed to taking notes and outing my thoughts in the thread (what i have been doing in my lists). It's a significant playstyle difference, obviously i think my way is better and probably you think yours is, but if we are to meet eye to eye we gotta understand how our minds work.-
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In post 836, Volpe14 wrote:
I wouldn't say that to be fair especially if you're scum.In post 833, nomnomnom wrote:Well I guess I'm getting lynched today huh
For example, I think that if you gave around 24 hours to the thread, let everyone else check in, and come up with "I need to reorganize my reads", pretend to re:read and begin pushing in somewhere between Gamma or something you could make a pretty good push/wagon to be fair.
You're actually just really sitting here in defeatism instead of trying to reassess where your head is at the game currently, which I honestly think it's a trait of cornered mafia but ok. I've seen...sometimes that happens to town.
You tried bringing up GiF or etc but when it didn't get heat you dropped it like you dropped your push on me when it started backfiring. You're at this exact moment waiting to see responses on GiF before starting to get some track on it. It's...very political in a not positive way.
I agree with thisIn post 837, Volpe14 wrote:You first had an easy town read on me but dropped it in a hat when I began to get heat, and really tried to rile up me, but when it started to go off the trail you just began to drop it again.
Right now you're still waiting for support to do anything about GiF too.
I'm more collected now and I'll be slightly shocked if you don't flip just red here.-
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