Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

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The three of you please stop...please

I am begging

Don’t make me find a begging gif

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Teacher honestly RC’s flop on Ari is what solidified my stance. Why did he go from where he was working with me well to duck? Like he scumread Ari then all of a sudden more time. I do not have the energy I used to since T it comes and goes and Sundays I am lethargic until Monday and I take my T shot.

He now still scumreads Ari. If he’s town he’s doing it because he doesn’t respect me. But I just can’t shake the feeling he is scum and didn’t want Ari lynched due to PR or TW is town. There was no reason to stop working with me but he did. I have bent over backwards to try to work with him and everyone else and ir just hurts.

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As I said earlier Teacher I don’t think Raybells expected me to work with him so he could push his buddy is my theory if Rc/Ari are a thing.

Like mainly I am certain Ari is. I just like want Raybells to be scum, but I am so much more confident Ari is.

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I agreee. I was trying to push the lynch back to ari because I don’t see a team with duck without ari, but I can see town!duck for the reasons he gives in those posts (ie why bait the bear?)

Quite honestly I am just done.

If TW flips town as my gut says (but my brain does not), I don’t know if I can honestly push RC as it could be TvT. That’s the problem. But Ari solves so much more but there’s not enough support

Ari solves Plum and RC if Ari is scum

Pedit I won’t be on tomorrow more than likely.

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Literally I have a guilty on duck

He's dying today

Stop this please D1 guilties are not normal on MS.

This is your scum meta. Please stop.

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Please stop posting RC I am begging

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Okay Ari.

I mean, Nancy knows if no one else does that when I say that I mean it.

I know you're serious. I just don't think you're right!

Literally I have a guilty on duck

He's dying today

Stop this please D1 guilties are not normal on MS.

This is your scum meta. Please stop.

Nah he does this as any alignment tbh.
And we all know his D1 guilties are merely extremely confident reads.

Wait, we all know that, right?

He claimed invest in Lynch The Wolves
He claimed a guilty in Lynch the Wolves
He was scum in Lynch the Wolves with an investigative power

Like I get the fact RC hates I scumread him
But I am tired of being viewed as crazy when this is literal history repeating itself.

I just want this day over

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Ok

Help me end it by killing scum TW and then we don't have to be here together anymore

Already voting TW :/

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Ari spent pages saying RC vs. tw was TtC while voting RC???

Ttc?

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Ari spent pages saying RC vs. tw was TtC while voting RC???

And you didn’t vote Ari because?

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I'm sorry I hurt your enjoyment of this game Plum.

Are you sorry you hurt mine?

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I am actually! I wish things could have been different.

Then what are you going to change to stop this from happening again?

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Remove the duck

I don't know if this is preventable in general sadly.

It is you just have to give up control to gain it.

I am literally giving up control to you with the expectation that if you’re wrong I or a top town read will help maintain a friendlier atmosphere. I have faith that town buddies will work together.

I don’t have to agree with them on reads. The more control one gives up the more respect one earns.

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Now I am going to best.

Let’s lynch the worst and see where we stand tomorrow.

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Now I am going to best.

Let’s lynch the worst and see where we stand tomorrow.

Bed*

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When I tried giving up control I got scumread and voted.

Yeah so?

People vote all the time. You have to have faith they will see it properly. And have faith your reads will be listened to.

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Having faith in that is impossible given that in my experience I just get lynched. I can't think of a single exception even, no game where I tried to be chill as town and didn't get scumread.

Then you do and you get better at defense and seeing what comes up.

You realize I am good at getting out of situations as scum and keeping things civil? It’s because I’ve failed.

It’s okay to fail. Sometimes it makes for a more enjoyable game.

Because right now you’re not perfect even if you’re right because you’re not playing with anyone. You’re treating it like a single player game. It’s not.

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It's not that I can't defend myself.

It's that people don't care about my defense.

Why do you say that?

Top tier people always end up in possible scum pools. Nancy having paranoia is what was missing btw because I told her specifically to scumread me if I am universally townread and she didn’t even bring it up.

The difference is we evaluate what is brought up to the table. If you want to return to MS you need to learn this.

I struggle with reads but it is something I make a concerted effort to change.

You really need to see you struggle with teamwork. Please. Because if TW is town and you have no remorse and you’re town you’re fucked.
Pedit I do.

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On my other site I am a standard scumread til proven town. It’s a thing. FK and Alice will scumread me if I type a sentence. It happens with good scum. Taking out failures on others isn’t the way to go.

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Dude.

I'm obvtown in every sense of the word, but no one sees it.

You're comparing apples to oranges here.

Obvtown doesn’t care if they get voted or lynched.

This attitude literally prevents you from being obvTown.

There are very few markers of ObvTown.
Genuine isn’t always town.
Amount of posting isn’t always town.
Once you are obvTown for something you do, you’re obligated to try to put it in your scum game and vice versa to prevent tells.

My scum game I am cooperative and my town game I was known as belligerent and Tunnely.

I am working to remove that difference.

If you have something that makes you obvTown teach us what, then add it to your scum game.

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i don't think anyone has made the "welp rc could be scum" argument

i think more people have entered a "welp how the fuck are we meant to read spam mode rc who can't focus on anything but dumping on the worst + sometimes ari" mode

former doesn't explain why i'm being mislynched to solve you; latter is exactly that

TW if you’re right that doesn’t help
You have to meet RC where he is so whatever his alignment he realizes this is wrong.

That means working from his assumptions and/or acknowledging possible validity whether they are valid or not.

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I votes all 3 of Plum Tris Teacher in the time between then and now and made short cases for multiple of them. Your portrayal of me is at odds with reality.

And now we are into facts instead of helping you RC.

We are lynching TW, why would you be scared of “town telling”? The mod flip can’t be altered in a normal.

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Until he has actually been hammered he is still at risk of not being hammered

Which would be a failure if TW is scum which means that you need to look at other ways to lynch your scumreads. And if he is town that is a good thing.

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You can’t control me or anyone else.

But you can influence people.

https://www.royceassociates.com/what-st ... influence/

What you’re doing is influencing newbies what you’re doing is okay.
So I am countering that.

What is in your control is your vote and how you present a case and how you ask.
Literally nothing else.

Once a person learns this their town and scum games improve.

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My goal is not to get you to agree I am right.
I am using my scum meta to plant the suggestion in your mind and hoping it changes you whatever your alignment.
Because that’s where my control ends.

I can’t force people to lynch Ari and the gamestate is so that we need to lynch the worst.

However if Ari isn’t dead tomorrow and I am, odds are Ari’s getting lynched.

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I am one of the few people who believes if TW is town, you might be town RC.

If TW flips town you’d probably be best to listen to me here.

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Both of you please stop posting.

Go to bed. Find/talk with your partner.

There’s more to life than mafia.

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not a thing that's happening in any real world.

Oh what happened to we have 5 days anything can happen both of you? I am discouraged but I sure as hell am not stopping Teacher. This is helpful for reads anyway pass or fail.

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Reading between the lines all that says is you don’t understand how I formed my reads. And that’s okay.

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Reading between the lines all that says is you don’t understand how I formed my reads. And that’s okay.

it's totally possible, sorry.
i don't follow your full read trajectory, and i do know for a fact your {tw, rc, ari} solve is wrong. i also feel it has exactly one scum in it. but i'm also scum per it, so i'm always going to say this.

i still strongly feel that your reads are your own, and even if i don't follow them completely they feel authentic and the way you're projecting them feels real.

if you feel like i need to understand something i'm willing to listen. but you're right, i'm a step or two behind.

Yet that’s not the only solve. Stop painting it as such please.

There’s a lot of worlds I am considering. This is just the most prevalent.

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Subtle may not be the right word there but I think that you should be able to understand what pinged me in that posting and why. More, expressing lip service to being willing to L1 Duck sometime in the future then making actions designed to make Ari the lynch. It's more the fact that you gave intent but I read a lot of unwillingness so

And why can’t this be applied to you and Ari pray tell?

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whattup?

RC + TW went nuclear
Derailed my Ari lynch that had majority if not all town.

Teacher has some questions for you

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i left on smt like page 83 ish lol

these 40 pages better be worth it

Save your eyeballs the pain for 10 minutes and see if Teacher asks his questions.

Then read up if necessary imho

We don’t need more demoralization if you’re town.

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Ico can you give us something then of your opinion as it is?

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Ico RC also claimed Detective.

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Like with really good scumplayers you're not looking for what they CAN'T do as scum

You're looking for what they wouldn't do as scum

And if you could do that then it makes sense to do it but if she can't she's just town, if that makes sense?

No. It doesn’t. Because the answer to that should always be nothing or it’s a trust tell.

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No, because scum are trying to win and sometimes townies do things that simply don't make sense from an informed perspective if they're good enough to understand the game. For example I said that FL was town in the Plotinus newbie because if he were scum he wouldn't be lurking. He absolutely had the power to lurk if he chose, but he just wouldn't be.

Then as town Plot should lurk or as scum Plot should be more active.

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Anywho we have lost the point. Teacher do you need anything else before ending the day?

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And if you FoS Ari and RC Ro3 has Plum in both sets.

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Can we stop talking about people not in this game? K thanks! They should be a minor footnote not a whole argument

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I think so too as my top team is TW/RC/Ari

Just solving in case that is wrong. I have gut feels duck is town but this day needs to end. I prefer an Ari lynch but not going to sacrifice a lynch today to do it.

I am afk most of today.

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Where and what? Specifics please in case I or you die:

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Yeah I am kinda at a loss for some things.

I really needed that Ari wagon to sort people.

If you’re town and TW is town tomorrow is gonna suck you realize right RC?

Because my team thinks you’re town and misguided on TW.

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Go ahead I am just for lack of better words blah.

Like this game is so draining but at the same time it needs to go on.

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intent - 4hrs.

Speak or hold it.

Intent for 10 minutes before Teachers Intent.

Is this asking me to hammer, being silly, or? I just figured giving some space for EoD things was good since we don’t have deadline pressure.

Please hammer

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ig I think that Worsties random ok let's lynch plum shenanigans is more likely to be his partner than anyone else

So in order of confidence I think the scumteam is

TW/Ico/Plum with Tris Flopz Xtoxm Ari as the honorary mentions

Everyone else I believe to be town

I disagree.

If TW is scum he’s just saying shit. It’s NAI.

Literal wine. If a player is scum you ignore spew until there’s evidence that corrobates it.

I have won a few games as outed scum by manipulating via spew.

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If I die and TW is town lynch RC
If I am alive give me time to think
If I die and TW is scum lynch Ari

Thanks

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If it’s a TW+RC scum team I likely die tonight. So just keep in mind it’s possible.

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Rl first the worst.

Just hammer. TW have his reads and claim already.

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Both of you stop please this is not productive.

Worst save your data.

RC let your last word be your last word.

Pedit TW if we disagree it is not gamethrowing. It would be going against common sense MS meta but not throwing.

RC the easiest way TW can’t “townspew” is if you don’t respond.

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Until TW is hammered I am gonna be making sure that he gets hammered.

And you have. Almost nothing TW says can get people to unvote as this day has to end. If someone else does something go for it. But you’re literally giving TW ammo to “townspew”. Stop it please.

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Almost nothing TW says can get people to unvote as this day has to end.

Almost is the operative word.
I don't like almost.

If someone unvotes after TW’s stuff go nuts.

Your actions are harming the town.

You got what you wanted. Shut up.

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Please RC stop.

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A little. Fail to see the relation here.

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I am dealing with Car Stuff

I know everyone is likely pissed at RC but please don’t turbo lynch him while I am getting my car. Thanks!

Whoever is a doc/jailkeep/etc thanks for saving someone. You probably have a guilty or inno.

Back later peoples.

Gut says Ari+Plum+Deep wolf like maybe skitter?

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Oh and RC results and cooperation please.

If you try to take over today I will not stop the turbo lynch coming your way.

If I wasn’t town I would give 0 fucks right now.

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First things first.

Your check is non negotiable.

You may find that useless but the inno may help. Or if someone stopped you from acting etc that would be a guilty.

Two your play was hella scummy. If you take the attitude of its the worst’s fault exclusively this will repeat any game you’re in. You need to stop thinking what you do is acceptable or people will succeed in policy lynching you more often. It is taking great restraint for me not to vote you for breaking MS meta and I townread you.

Third there is no way scum did not submit a kill. The end result was no kill but unless you’re going to say scum just quit playing for the two nights of data and didn’t submit that’s crap. There’s so many universal townreads that scum will be fucked.

VOTE: Aristophanes

Hey Ari you had two nights to catch up. Reads or die.

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It's on Teacher. I don't think outing this did town any good. I also think it's a lot more likely than you do that scum no killed: me getting a guilty completely clusterfucks scum gameplan of leaving me alive.

No Raybells. It doesn’t. I may be the only person who trusts you right now.

I am very certain scum would try to kill. Let’s call it a hunch k?

What do you make of Plum being willing to vote TW but not Ari yesterday?

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I don't think my play was scummy at all, I think anyone who scumread me either then or now is objectively a bad player, I don't think I broke MS meta in any reasonable way, if you're going to keep trying to lord this over me you should just vote me.

Sorry if you were hoping to use this event to put me in my place but I really have no issues dying so you're not going to get anything out of threatening me with a lynch.

*sigh* Yet again you miss the point.

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Okay I'm going to be upfront about my current situation and how I see it

I had a very busy, tiring week at work last week and I will have similar this week. I can refresh the game in real time as much as I want but have no time during the day to get my thoughts together because I have to focus elsewhere and get up every minute or so to arrange things I'm working with. At night, I'm close to having to choose two out of three of sleep, eat, try to focus on Mafia

I can't follow the game and can scarcely focus because the conversation is dominated by a few voices and median and lower-volume posters are drowned out completely. For heavens sake, another version of tw vs. RC is

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going to help me or anyone else read it better, RC. It will just make it harder for me and a bunch of others to read and be read and get a fucking handle on the game. I'm with skitter, the game makes me want to die inside every time I take a look at it.

As a relevant aside, RC, I

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think you're more likely Town than not here and moreover I think you in general have charisma that I respond to very strongly. Like in Perfect Masquerade, I found myself sheeping all your cases because all your cases felt really really good to me. I keep feeling the same here, and hell, you may be right on a lot of your cases, but goddamn is it frustrating to feel a strong agreement with cases from the guy who is also actively destroying the gamestate

which is what you are doing

I WANT to read teacher and Ico and Bella and Flopz (hell, I'm really considering that backing off on him may have been straight up incorrect) and hell, I want to read ARI and tris too

but

I want to read them in an environment where I can FUCKING TELL whether their reads and positions are BS because they're scum with an agenda

and I can't do that because in this state I will not be able to tell that from them not knowing what the hell is going on and/or just not being integrated into the game like me because of the volume taken up by other people

it is actively preventing valuable reads from being formed on these players

f this

Oh my gosh

Just let me drive home from work and get groceries without 7 pages appearing

I have to get up at 4 tomortow for work

I would love to have some input here but there's physically no way for me to play this game as things stand

VOTE: tw

Context for other people.

The game was unplayable in Plum’s rant yet doesn’t vote Ari the top wagon

Then says shorter game unplayable and votes TW.

This seems wrong.

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I'm going to keep missing the point. You want to talk reads I'm happy to talk reads. I am down to a reasonably narrow set of possible scum atp and Plum/Ari are both in them and I see what you're seeing there on both.
I am reluctant to give my final reads at this time because I think it will give scum a lot of information on whether they should be trying to take the lynch on me or not.

That’s where you should.

Because from that readslist people respond and reads happen.

Please stop denying shit. Your reads were off yesterday. The world doesn’t revolve around you.

Just be a normal player please.

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I am going to drive home now just please like people fucking talk like civilized adults/teenagers/whatever age you are? Thanks!

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Active lurking is a thing.

You still haven’t given reads.

I don’t get this whole “being townie” thing being optional to people it isn’t.

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I am going to drive home now just please like people fucking talk like civilized adults/teenagers/whatever age you are? Thanks!

Vote RC. RC bad.

Don’t get me wrong I want to but I townread him. Sorry TW.

If a majority scumread him I won’t stop it but Plum or Ari imho is more likely.

Ari is scum independent of RC town/scum same with Plum imho.

Like I will go one further in that some worlds are RC scum just my team strongly thinks RC town. If they didn’t I would be tunneling RC into flipmeat.

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Active lurking is a thing.

You still haven’t given reads.

I don’t get this whole “being townie” thing being optional to people it isn’t.

Uh...

Aaaaanyway before I die...

Town: TW, RC, Math, Icon
Lean Town: Skitty, RCE
Null: XtoxLive, Bella
Lean Scum: Teacher, Flopz, Plum, Tris

Those are not expanded on. There’s nothing deep.

Like every time I see your posts you just feel scummy. Can you like convince me you’re town please?

My teammates want me to tunnel you and I am trying not to me that dude.

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....I agree entirely with math's posting since day start.

Why teacher? Teacher was one of the few votes on tw which objectively didn't suck, a fact which saved his fairly neutral iso when I reread.

What’s something you disagree with me on?

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ari's posts on this page are all awful

Why do you say that? I thought they were okay.

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Okay...Go into more details please both of you esp Bella

We need more people talking with more details.

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I was 100% serious, it's what I would do as scum because I think it would be reasonable to assume I have at worst 1/6 odds of hitting scum and if I hit scum and get them lynched and then scum get forced to kill me, the damage done is staggering in terms of both a lost mislynch on me as well as a lost scum member and being forced to nightkill me anyway.

I don't think evens matters a whole lot, I have no killed in situations like this more than a few times as scum, I think it's the safe play from scum PoV since if they already know I'm the investigative they don't have to fear being ferreted out by a cop or whatever if they skip nights.

no, it's a really really really stupid way to play scum

Let this go.

It’s stupid but only has a chance at the cause slipping up it is them.

There is no benefit to correcting RC here.

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Active lurking is a thing.

You still haven’t given reads.

I don’t get this whole “being townie” thing being optional to people it isn’t.

Uh...

Aaaaanyway before I die...

Town: TW, RC, Math, Icon
Lean Town: Skitty, RCE
Null: XtoxLive, Bella
Lean Scum: Teacher, Flopz, Plum, Tris

Those are not expanded on. There’s nothing deep.

Like every time I see your posts you just feel scummy. Can you like convince me you’re town please?

My teammates want me to tunnel you and I am trying not to me that dude.

I expanded on them by giving thoughts after each Iso. I gave reasons for most if not all of them!

I also rethought a few thoughts from my initial reads and ended up with Skitter a lot higher than they were originally.

I can find you my posts with reasoning on each one if you like?

But it's not like I didn't put the work in to get there and it's not like I didn't actually state my reasons. Maybe it all got drowned out tho by the infighting between literally almost all my strong townreads last phase.

And my meta here is probably pretty different than it has been so tell your team, lovingly, that they are wrong. Not necessarily bad, just wrong.

Then help me out.

Push someone. Hunt.

Do something. Otherwise vote stays.

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RC silly question, humor me
Describe my scum meta in a paragraph or less?

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i'm not sure how to read the defeatism

I think I do but I kinda wanna poke around some more and see some more things first just in case

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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Detective

Normals have to follow the wiki

Detective just sees if someone has killed anyone ever.

Agreed it means little but if RC is scum it’s spew that is readable later.

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How you would describe your scum meta or how I would describe your scum meta?
How you would describe your scum meta is not lying but just warping the truth so you come across as sincere since you're ~telling the truth~ and getting away with shit because of that.
I don't really want to describe your scum meta as I see it.

i'm a little nervous that he's doing that to get people to back off him today given yesterday

also @rc if your'e town and scum are that scared of your guilty they just .... nk you ?

I mean, if they believe that I'm a free lynch the next day, why do that?

i'm a little nervous that he's doing that to get people to back off him today given yesterday

also @rc if your'e town and scum are that scared of your guilty they just .... nk you ?

I don't even think my defeatism is AI given half of my team has flaked and I'm just over this game tbh

also isn't a detective roughly the same strength as tracker or am i mixing it up with psychologist?

isn't the one where you get a positive result if someone performed an nk ...

so a detective inno n1 doesn't mean that much really

correct. detective inno is worth nothing unless you think someone is disproportionately likely to make the nightkill as scum.

It's the best I could do with the role because I wanted to target someone that was high on my previously given readslist but could still be scum.

I figured there's no way that, say, a Plum scumteam actually has her kill?

RC pretend for a moment you didn’t claim detective but all other facts stood.

Who would scum kill? And don’t say no one please. Pretend it’s mandatory

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i think i'm the nk most times last night

Funny I was thinking I would be. Interesting.

Assume Plum + Ari and not RC? Who’s third? Any thoughts?

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I can't say that I'm not surprised you're not voting me rn skitter

not wanting to poke a gift horse in the mouth but I can see it

Ari/Tris/Plum is still the *obvious* answer

I don’t think that can be right RC. I don’t see scum Ari dropping heat on two buddies and Skitter.

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i'm ~strongly~ considering it but i'm not sure i want to derail the gamestate again just yet

How would pushing Plum derail the gamestate?

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rc as it is rn i don't think u can live till lylo

Hey skitter what if I said I think scum tried to kill me so RC would be mislynched?

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rc as it is rn i don't think u can live till lylo

Hey skitter what if I said I think scum tried to kill me so RC would be mislynched?

i think that if he's town he's a p viable mislynch given ~yesterday~

but i also think that he needs to be resolved before lylo given ~yesterday~

i'm not sold that it has to be via lynch but he cannot be alive in lylo uncleared given how the tw lynch went down

All of that I agree with

But I think just going “RC” will turn peoples brains off.

I think the best way is to start Ari and if Ari is scum then Plum.

If Ari is town that post chain isn’t as bad as I thought it was and it means scum were more content and doing nothing and gives more insight about day one.

However if we don’t lynch Ari RC would be the alternative to see if TvT or TvS.

If TvS Ari could still be scum and so could Plum.

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Either that or just RC.

@implosion: Can I have a day nuke on RC Ari and Plum? What do you mean you just don’t hand them out to people who ask?

Drat

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right that's why i'm not starting the day off by shouting 'RC' and going after him like a bull after a red flag

i think we can utilize this time to sort other slots

but at the same time i want to make it very clear that if he is not dead/cleared th day before lylo he needs to be goned

also why ari over plum

also what do u think about teacher?

Ari gives more wagon data and had more resistance and can help to sort RC.

If RC stopped a lynch on town to move to another town, that’s more likely indicative of town RC.

But if Ari flips scum PR then RC is more likely scum trying to save the PR and thus not a detective and full speed ahead on RC.

Plum on the other hand has a lot of votes on people that I don’t agree with but doesn’t have as many associations to go off of except day open.

Teacher I had a strong town read on but now I am more “meh prob town”.

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Spoiler: phenomenology aardvark

Vote Count 1.18

Aristophanes

(4): MathBlade, teacher, Flopz, skitter30

RadiantCowbells

(3): Xtoxm, the worst, Aristophanes

the worst

(2): tris, RadiantCowbells

Plum

(1): RCEnigma

tris

(1): Plum

Not voting (2): Bellaphant, Iconeum

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to two weeks from day start, in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

Spoiler: glistening the grass falls down down below

Vote Count 1.19

the worst

(5): tris, skitter30, RadiantCowbells, Plum, MathBlade

RadiantCowbells

(3): Xtoxm, the worst, Aristophanes

Aristophanes

(2): teacher, Flopz

Plum

(1): RCEnigma

Not voting (2): Bellaphant, Iconeum

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to two weeks from day start, in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

So here is where the shift takes place from Ari to worst.

Pedit then your vote is there in spirit.

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i don't think we should be sorting rc by proxy anymore
if he's scummy we should just vote him

lynching ari to figure out rc's wagonomics feels very ~convoluted~ and we tried to do that yesterday even and now people aren't really taking into account the outcome of the experiement, so i'm a little dubious that using ari as a second proxy will be effective

plum's tw vote was scary and while there's (a few) things that i like about ari i can remember just ... like two (?) posts from plum that i liked and on balance i feel worse about her than ari

Into account what experiment.

Lynching Ari was never completed.

Why does lynching Ari to figure out what happened day one feel complicated?

Without that Plum’s posting doesn’t have a context of which to be seen from.

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no the tw lynch, rc wanted to be bop'd on it and a lot of people voted there because 'tw and rc can't be tvt'

See here’s the thing:

I think he should be...tomorrow.

I know this sounds bad but ~reasons~

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oh hey my ~'s are catching on

i said i don't want to push rc rn
and that he needs to be gone by lylo

but using ari to sort rc feels silly to me given yesterday

Please trust me (A).

You agree Ari’s entrance was bad.

You agree Ari is scum.

Like please don’t make me paranoid you’re deep wolf.

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i think ari is independantly scummy but using him to sort rc is silly

i feel worse about plum so would rather there
if there isn't as much support for that i can switch to ari but i'd rather pressure plum rn

Why? Why Plum over Ari? I do not follow.

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because i think her vote on tw was awful and i don't think she's done anything townie really at all and i think she's the best bet for scum on the wagon barring rc

also i'm not sure ari defends tw that strongly if he could just be like 'i sr tw vote: tw' upon catching up if he's scum

we can pressure ari too
but like i can think of reasons to tr ari
but i don't really have reasons to tr plum

also, again, i'm very wary of the whole team-reading/solve thing with no scum flips at this point

Her vote on TW is only awful if Ari is scum.

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Really, really hard to see Ari town. Pretty sure Ari is scum

Then I'm probably either right on both Mathblade/Plum as both buddies or they're both town and the buddies are elsewhere avoiding the wagon.

You’ve said a lot about Plum including this and the worst’s plum case hogwash.

I kinda am maybe thinking Plum maybe town?

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RC doesn't actually think we're scum together
he's trying to paint a narrative that everyone is trying to create narratives/ways out for me
to try and bury the fact i really obviously don't have partner/s itt

Yes I absolutely have as my #1 goal making enemies of people by calling them potential you scumpartners as scum when I only need to get you killed

Whereas as town, I certainly am not interested in sorting people's interactions with the wagon and trying to find your potential buddies

Hint: your case for plumscum with me doesn't really make sense.

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also why are you citing a post from page 15 as if it's relevant on page 132

In post 3261, RadiantCowbells wrote:
I would vote Plum but I don't want to poison the well because I feel like if I support the wagon it's less likely to go through tbh.

In post 3272, RadiantCowbells wrote:
VOTE: Plum

I shall follow you milady to whatever bitter end.

And... I was willing to vote there yesterday. Should I like, not vote my scumreads that align with you so that you don't think I'm trying to get on your good side?

Hint: your case for plumscum with me doesn't really make sense.

yeah. keywords: with me.

Because every post is relevant.

You yourself said that you did something in the past.

I pointed out other posts.

My point is you don’t get to cherry pick.

We should be doing Ari.

The more RC argues with me they are right despite proven wrong tells me RC can’t actually form decent reads atm and doesn’t want Ari lynched because he’s scum or it’s too fragile to his ego

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Because every post is relevant.

You yourself said that you did something in the past.

i literally said exactly the opposite, that reads early in the day are irrelevant and only the people that you actually want to lynch at eod are relevant lol

Yes you did.

I disagree.

Every post matters.

We need to stop posting now but Ari should eat rope today. This isn’t hard.

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It’s an aside at this point and I don’t want to derail the main but math at some point can you say why the evolution on me.

It’s more just a gut thing.

You were more like obvTown in the moment but rereading it was more “meh”.

You’re more a live player I think.

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more that i was commiting to that then than anything else
i also think i may be reading too much into this particular interaction and that i have a tendency to get paranoid about this sort of thing

VOTE: plum

i've been sleeping poorly so i'm going to bounce and try to sleep but i'll be around tom at some point

pedit is that at me?

Skitter...your stock is tanking hard. You’re breakin my heart here.

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do tell

It feels like you’re agreeing with the common reads then just not pushing through when it suits you.

Riling up RC instead of pushing mutual Ari scumread on day one.
The sidestepping during the whole Plum+Tris+Skitter day one
Now you’re avoiding pushing Ari again.

Like it feels just like you agree but decide not to or just have someone better.

I wonder if you + Ari + RC is a thing?

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Actually kinda like the reasoning for plum's unvote
UNVOTE:

Dont particularly like tw's entrance tho.

Like here for example.
You voted Plum were confused then unvoted with no explanation to how you were no longer confused.

Something is weird there.

I almost feel like if you’re scum you’re using Plum as a de facto I can vote them.

If you really believed Plum was scum more than Ari RC’s vote shouldn’t have changed your mind.

And if you believe Ari is more likely scum than Plum now why no vote?

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We should 100% vote who RC did not want us to vote yesterday and the fact a majority of town scumreads Ari is a bonus.

Ari should eat rope. Then if Ari is scum RC. Then maaaybe Skitter or Plum.

I needs me some nukes

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We should 100% vote who RC did not want us to vote yesterday and the fact a majority of town scumreads Ari is a bonus.

Ari should eat rope. Then if Ari is scum RC. Then maaaybe Skitter or Plum.

I needs me some nukes

you realize rc almost got ari lynched yesterday, right?

No he didn’t

We tagteamed it until he decided not to. Then I kept trying to get him back on and got exhausted.

RC and I were collaborating and working together

Then he just up and decides not to do Ari. Which with Ari’s flip I can tell his motivation since he doesn’t want to do it again today despite scumreading him.

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like if rc is bussing ari then why does he hard back off there

it's a bit of a bizarre svs play

Because he expected me to disagree with him and not for me to cooperate with him.

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I fuckin forced his ass onto Ari after he tried to votepark me

Please tell me Ari is RC’s doing

Tag teamed is the nicest way I can think of for that.

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I don't at this time seek your lynch today so I guess you're correct that I shouldn't be voting you, I just have a tendency not to unvote until I know where else I'm going.

UNVOTE:

I want to be wagoning Aristophanes but I can't and I don't really see what value I'm going to get out of wagoning anyone else.

I'm aware there's little justification for it and her associations with a scumread of mien aren't great but I think that Bella is town anyway for whatever reason.

ok

VOTE: Ari

truthfully I don't want to see anyone but Ari lynched at the moment so they won't be getting my vote and I'm kinda just waiting trying to solve around him.

I guess I can place that vote if it will talk you off of the ledge.

You wanna try that again?

Like I am pretty sure you’re trying to rile me up to lynch you so we don’t lynch Ari but maaan.

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I am going to go but if Ari is not lynched today I am gonna flip some shit.

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You know what? Any time I actually try to do anything involving Ari or anything RC doesn’t like he brings up a year ago.

I am quite frankly tired of it and so is my team.

VOTE: Radiant Cowbells

Let’s just do this. If you won’t let me have Ari you’re either scum in town’s clothing or outright scum and I am pretty much out of patience which.

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Part of me really wants to hold onto my earlier thoughts that RC/TW could actually be T/T.

The main problem is it could be I just am losing the desire to care.

RC is such an impediment to cohesion and getting shit done we should have done yesterday that I just can’t care anymore. If he’s town tough shit he should not get in the way of town.

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I would love to be able to leave him until tomorrow but he is consistently fucking with Skitter and other people to start a wagon that is completely antitown.

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There's no point in lynching RC today, Math. I'd want to. But there's no point.

Either he's town PR, and he dies tonight. Or he's scum, and we lynch him tomorrow.

Do you think it's better to get rid of him today?

In short, no but ultimately necessary.

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honestly i really need to go to sleep and i don't think i can process figuring it out if voting you is a good idea when you post things like that and i'm this tired

so i'm gonna bounce

pedit ari got up to l-1 and if i recall correctly there was at least one intent (mabye not explicit intent but iirc most people were ok with his lynch just then)
and then rc like hard-reversed and the thing dropped

and i think that between {ari/rc} ari flips usually before rc so he wouldn't tie himself that atrociously to a bizarre ari flip that could be revisited because he'd riled up so much fervor for it and then not carried it through

The hard drop and then refusing to pursue it is too much a problem. We lynch Ari or RC today. Because I am not going to let RC manipulate us into anything else.

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I would love to be able to leave him until tomorrow but he is consistently fucking with Skitter and other people to start a wagon that is completely antitown.

I don't agree that Plum is an anti-town wagon at this point? Why do you think so?

Because it doesn’t solve anything about day one.

Plum is only scum if Ari is. If Ari’s town Plum’s town.

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honestly i really need to go to sleep and i don't think i can process figuring it out if voting you is a good idea when you post things like that and i'm this tired

so i'm gonna bounce

pedit ari got up to l-1 and if i recall correctly there was at least one intent (mabye not explicit intent but iirc most people were ok with his lynch just then)
and then rc like hard-reversed and the thing dropped

and i think that between {ari/rc} ari flips usually before rc so he wouldn't tie himself that atrociously to a bizarre ari flip that could be revisited because he'd riled up so much fervor for it and then not carried it through

The hard drop and then refusing to pursue it is too much a problem. We lynch Ari or RC today. Because I am not going to let RC manipulate us into anything else.

So scum!RC with scum!Ari doesn't make much sense based on asso's. Scum!RC with town!ari doesn't make much sense because scum!RC would just lynch Ari and be done with it? Onto D2 and another attempt at mislynch?

Or is it actually town!RC that engaged with Ari and came to a town!Ari conclusion? I think this option exists.

I really wish people would stop saying scum RC doesn’t make sense with Scum Ari because Associatives. I’ve been looking at the same ones all game and it’s possible.
Scum RC with Town Ari resists to rebuild his cred then slanders me then lets me fall on my ass and then just takes over and wins.
Town RC that believes Ari is town doesn’t say Ari is scum at the start of open.

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I can see it onwards is pedit
in case that causes confusion

ot wanting to poke a gift horse in the mouth but

pedit:

I can see it

Ari/Tris/Plum is still the *obvious* answer

If the answer is “obvious” it doesn’t change.

Ergo Ari+RC cannot be TvT.

And quite frankly if I can’t get the scum we should have had day one you just remove the impediments.

Where’s a damn day vig when you need it?

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I mean, Ari/Tris/Plum isn't that terrible of a solve at the time

Except one that’s not a thing
Two if it was RC has no reason to be so obstinate and suck up to Skitter.
We’d all just agree to lynch Ari and be done with it.

I do not see any viable world in which Ari is town (and we win) but there are worlds where Plum is and there are a fuck ton with Tris.

And your other team is just no.
Ari would have been mislynched well before then same with TW or RC.
Those teams do not exist imho.

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And from BBMolla and I paraphrase
Ari is still scum. 1000 posts in a single day like that’s unacceptable. He may be town but I’d literally just lynch him

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Math, if you had the power to lynch a player on the spot that could potentially solve the game for you. Who'd you lynch?

Ari

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But I would use that power 2 (earth) days from now to see how people react to this.

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Then let's focus there. Even your team basicly says that RC is a policy lynch if I'm reading that right. I have a bad feeling about RC lynch. He also claimed a PR. We revisit him if he's alive D3.

What do you think of Floppy?

I would love to.

Any time I try RC brings someone else up.

I think we need an Ari wagon to sort a lot of people. Flopz is in a few worlds I am looking at.

The sad thing is the way day ended and this one began a lot of my reads are up in the air except Ari.

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RC may be a policy lynch but if we can’t get who more than 50% of the game agrees on plus some damn good readers he’s not town in spirit anymore. I don’t care about what he wants I care about what we need.

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VOTE: Ari

Ducky if RC attempts to stop this again you will have your steak.

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I am going to bed. Like we need at least a wagon on Ari or something to get this day going in the right direction.

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I can’t sleep and was thinking about RC’s claim.

@RC If we have a vig why isn’t anyone dead? You claimed detective and based off this theorized a vig.

Any ideas why Ari or you aren’t dead?

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There's no point in lynching RC today, Math. I'd want to. But there's no point.

Either he's town PR, and he dies tonight. Or he's scum, and we lynch him tomorrow.

Do you think it's better to get rid of him today?

So I'm probably not catching up fully tonight. Walking 3 miles to and from work is exhausting me.

But I do want to nip this in the bud.

This is what sets the foundation for a future narrative. Which is a world where RC doesn't die until end game because "scum are leaving him as a mislynch.".

RC never eats a nightkill this game because even as a claimed investigative his result is not credible. So it's on town to deal with. He is no longer self resolving.

This is a really good point.

VOTE: Raybells

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Ari is dead for sure if there is a vig. Exceptions being novice or a scum jailkeeper.

This makes RC more than likely scum then?

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Hardclaim town Detective

I target a player every night and if they have ever committed a killing action I get a guilty on them.

I suspect that there may be a Vig as the major other source of town power to antisynergize.

Post for context y’all.

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That’s where I was at start of day.

The way RC just doesn’t wanna lynch Ari may mean we have to lynch him first though.

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VOTE: Ari

Going to try to sleep again.

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My team suggested I leave the thread and I am busy today.

Anyone not voting/pushing Ari looks really bad to me because ~reasons~

@Ico sure it can be talked about but when I have Titus and BB agreeing that Ari is scum and practically everyone does they just won’t vote it means you’ve hit scum.

You might be the only person who townreads Ari.

@RC it’s not policy. It’s showing you are scum.

The most likely case is you lied about being an investigative
The most likely case is you had to save Ari when I started working with you.
You are the glue stopping Ari from happening by pocketing Skitter.
Plus there’s the whole TW says you’re scum. I agree with that my team doesn’t care whether you are town or scum.
I see worlds where you could be town but if you won’t lynch scum I don’t care.

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Just one question Ari

Spicy or bland?

Yes you get no context suck it up.

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Look uh

I'm not entirely following and because of your vagueness I'll just be direct

Did you jailkeep or variant Aristophanes last night into the no kill

I am being vague for a reason.

Whether or not it’s PR related I will leave up to the smart people.

But do you honestly think there would be a jailkeep and a detective?

Cageyness works really well to get reads.

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My team suggested I leave the thread and I am busy today.

Anyone not voting/pushing Ari looks really bad to me because ~reasons~

@Ico sure it can be talked about but when I have Titus and BB agreeing that Ari is scum and practically everyone does they just won’t vote it means you’ve hit scum.

You might be the only person who townreads Ari.

@RC it’s not policy. It’s showing you are scum.

The most likely case is you lied about being an investigative
The most likely case is you had to save Ari when I started working with you.
You are the glue stopping Ari from happening by pocketing Skitter.
Plus there’s the whole TW says you’re scum. I agree with that my team doesn’t care whether you are town or scum.
I see worlds where you could be town but if you won’t lynch scum I don’t care.

Do you not see how this is the exact same kind of thing you spent all of yesterday berating me for?

If you case Ari me and Skitter and Ico will read it but this is a supreme example of the kind of read from you that doesn't make sense and goes nowhere a la RC TW scumteam

I'm trying to not be divisive any more than necessary but you're kind of bullying a bunch of people to vote with you after being mad at me for such

Lol this is a bit blunt.

It is not bullying however. I am not spamming and stopping others from playing.

I am just saying that I scumread Ari because reasons. And anyone who doesn’t do it looks worse because reasons.

You look really bad for suggesting a PR combo that is in no way balanced.

Now when I take a stand you’re trying to twist it around and say I am the bully because I point out your flaws in voting Ari.

All this is is blunt. Continue to push Plum and people will see how scummy you are.

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Which is another reason I'm reluctant to fight to keep my slot alive, I think there's value in knowing that you're wrong on me and that TW team reads aren't generally worth treating as gospel

Why are you so intent on you dying before Ari Mr supposed PR?

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In not voting Ari**

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Because people will stop listening to you and stop basing their reads on incorrect associatives with me and I also really really don't want to have to play mafia anymore.

Whatever you’re alignment, if you don’t want to play mafia then replace out. Or just not check the thread for a day. This is a game.

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Furthermore Ari is scum numero uno.

You could be town

Just the more you resist makes you scum whatever alignment you drew

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And that's not personal

Just

You pushed TW RC Ari yesterday
You're pushing Ari RC ??? Today

Everything else you've been wrong on doesn't exactly make me keen to drop everything and vote Ari

I guess I forgot Xtoxm existed and can be slotted into any of the scum slots so that's a less good arg for existence of deepwolves

Meanwhile I agree most things the core townblock excluding you says so like I'm not too keen on dropping that to make you happy

I argued you +TW was same alignment

That was my top theory because you were so destructive to the game.

If you’re town I am right and you’re a townbeard who won’t lynch scum!Ari.

And if you’re scum I was wrong who still won’t lynch Ari.

I am keen on what the town block is saying which is Ari is scum,

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Mostly because as an individual I don't scumread Ari despite how bad the associatives look? Idk.

Why not?

I will answer your question later late day at work.

Casing impossible at work.

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RC let me ask you a question

Assume Ari is town, wouldn’t scum be lining up to watch me fail and give you leverage as to how “bad” I am?

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How so?

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I think that if Plum is town and Aristophanes is also town, they would much rather discredit me and embolden you than flip Ari.
I think that if Plum is scum and Aristophanes is town, they would absolutely prefer to lynch Aristophanes and they would see discrediting you as a negative rather than a positive.

Hypothetically if you were reasonably confident I was shot at last night, how does that change things?

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Just one question Ari

Spicy or bland?

Yes you get no context suck it up.

Ooooo!

I mean, spicy, but the flavourful kind where you enjoy the elements of the spice! None of this Frank's red hot bs!

Do you have anything to add so far to this day?

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Like I am pretty sure you’re trying to rile me up to lynch you so we don’t lynch Ari but maaan.

this doesn't even make sense ....
it's too convoluted to make sense ...

math, can you explain what exactly scum!rc was thinking yesterday when he nearly brought scum!ari to a lynch and then suddenly backed off,
and then why he'd today be trying to rile you up to lynch him over ari when we all know that rc is a better scum player who is acutely aware of bussing and is more likely to endgame in vaccuum ... ?

My theory is Ari is a PR and RC isn’t. So Ari is more valuable than RC. Assuming Ari+RC but it could be Ari alone and RC is just stubborn

I am trying to type up my case but I keep getting interrupted by roomies and such.

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I can’t sleep and was thinking about RC’s claim.

@RC If we have a vig why isn’t anyone dead? You claimed detective and based off this theorized a vig.

Any ideas why Ari or you aren’t dead?

sorry where did all the vig stuff come from ?

RC said there would be one because of his role claim. Cited post earlier for context

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No I said that there is above average chance of there being one.

That was true at the time. The fact that there isn't doesn't make me scum.

It’s not a guilty but I have it on good authority your claim doesn’t make sense because reasons.

And yes I am cagey until I figure out how to say what I should say and nothing more

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Like it’s not a guilty but the odds go down of your claim being true because things.

Pedit

Do you have a case for that? I think you’re trying to get a rise out of me. Considering I am just answering questions after calming down this seems odd.

I have noticed a small something I think helps.

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My theory is Ari is a PR and RC isn’t. So Ari is more valuable than RC. Assuming Ari+RC but it could be Ari alone and RC is just stubborn

no i still don't think the day plays out like that in this universe either

Why not?

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The only game RC tried to keep me alive as a scummate in was one where he fakeclaimed my role and if I died we both died. I almost gave up but atuck around and fought so he could win. I think it was Plotinus Mafia iirc when mafia games based on MS Members was an in thing.

If you compare these games it is extremely different here where I feel it would be similar if we were scummates and I were the PR. Just an interesting thought perspective from experience, tho selfmeta in a time when my meta is prolly whack to maybe grain of salt it.

Link it please?

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Link it please?

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=65977 main thread

I'll try to find the scum pt

Mafia mathematician haha

Sorry needed some humor for this shit day

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My memory served, it was Plotinus mafia!

This must have really stuck with me because fuck, I barely remember yesterday XD XD

Who are you scumreading right now?

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Damn it now that woulda been a good shipper name for me and Mala. Fuck.

I honestly can from a few posts but I am reading. My teammates are behind but they just keep repeating Ari scum. It’s annoying and kinda not helpful. I get their argument but explaining it requires like more moon logic that I can begin to explain

Every time I try it dissolved into a gooey word vomit mess

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I can’t sleep and was thinking about RC’s claim.

@RC If we have a vig why isn’t anyone dead? You claimed detective and based off this theorized a vig.

Any ideas why Ari or you aren’t dead?

tbf i think that this is an unfair line of questioning

Why? It’s something that at least has some bearing on the plausibility of the claim, and RC is a world builder who thinks through these things (as shown by the original vig hypothesis), so why not get the benefit of his thoughts on the world we are in?

back again sorry

math's acting like the fact that there is no evidence of a vig is inherently damning for rc and indicative that rc is scum / scummy for bringign it up in the first place
but if he is actually a detective thinking there might be a vig is a reasonable position to take even if there isn't one

That’s half of the idea yes.

That’s the easy part.

The other part well...requires things can’t say yet I don’t think.

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RC what’s your read on Skitter?

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What are the odds that Skitter/Aristophanes is a thing?

I’d be game for that.

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Let me guess just killed it huh? :/

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The gamestate really doesn't make sense

Something is wrong

Uh oh 2/2 I agree with RC something is definitely wrong.

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Ari why are you sucking up to everyone besides me

He sucked up to you d1 w/ the memes

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Skitter you literally told Math that you weren't considering Ari because I was confscum and Ari wasn't my buddy then in your NEXT POST you talked about how my defeatism pointed to me being town.

no, i said that i don't think that sorting ari is a good way to sort you any more
but the defeatism doesn't match my understandign of how you play scum

It doesn’t match town either it’s just confusing.

I like this RC better tone wise minus the defeatism.

I don’t feel angry each time I check the thread.

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You aren't going to be lynched so why do I need to defend you showingly?

You are a prime townread of mine. I thought that would be enough

Ari

Why aren't you defending me if you think I'm town

You made a big show yesterday

Hey RC how do you get Ari to like function and push someone?

Like he’s gone this whole game without a vote

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VOTE: Plum

I'm down to bus it

Okay I lied one vote.

On an inactive player
And he objected to votes on him when inactive

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Ari Skitter Flopz?

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Ari

If you had to unilaterally lynch someone by EoD or town loses who do you lynch?

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Skitter what does A50 think of the game? Reads?

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JJH927 Last visited:Yesterday, 10:09 pm

So, want to talk about how the person who isn't here told you to lynch me?

Invisibility mode doesn’t always update and using this is generally poor form.

They could also not log in and just read

Stuff like this I think I got where you’re coming from but it’s generally frowned upon.

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he says to tell you that he doesn't use invisibility mode at all

and that he posted 10 minutes ago

and then went to eat fajitas while watching netflix

I am saying I don’t check and whatever?

Assume RC is scum. Who with?

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i don't really like this conversation, i feel like it's skirting kinda close to a few site rules

I already said that

Move on

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i can see tris and/or bella

also i may have mentioned this a few times, but i don't really believe in full-team-solving at this stage rn

I know you don’t.

Was trying to generate more discussion.

What do you make of Flopz?

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Those are scummy posts?

First reeks of TMI
Same with the second (Skitter is pushing you)
Third is waaay too cordial
Fourth feels like “I don’t want to take responsibility for stuff”
Fifth seems stalling

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I'm not entirely sure it's scummy, mind you. But it's objectively weird. I dunno what to do about it.

I think I'm just second-guessing myself tbh. I don't really think you're scum but I'm scared that you somehow might be.

Waffling like this is a common scum tactic. It allows scum to say whatever they want with no accountability.

It’s also a good out whichever alignment you are. This post can be used as an “I knew it”.

Pedit Come vote Ari with me. Please

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I have to go to bed now. Good night. Thanks for working with me RC however your read of Plum goes.

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HURT: Iconeum

**hugs RC**

Spoiler: image

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Ari is a good lynch

Skitter is presently who I would want to vote

this all flies out the window if I end up thinking Plum is scum

Please stop voting Ico *sniff*

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Ari is a good lynch

Skitter is presently who I would want to vote

this all flies out the window if I end up thinking Plum is scum

Please stop voting Ico *sniff*

Such a brilliant argument.

If you could unilaterally lynch someone who would it be?

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If you could unilaterally lynch someone who would it be?

I'm actually really unsure about this.

Ari seems like the obv choice, I think him fliping scum leads us straight into scum numero 2 (Skitter). It will also allow certain players in my townblock (cough) to broaden their view of the game.

Gut tells me flopz, but i've been mistaken with these kinds of reads a whole bunch of times in the past.

I don’t know whether to be flattered you agree or scared or happy that you agree

Not used to agreement lol

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what? I think i've been more then supportive of your slot in this game lol

I do disagree with your scumread on RC.

And I think Plum is the go-to wagon for scum currently

I agree you have been. Very much so.

I am townreading you but I also look at other players agreement/disagreement with me to figure out if I am on the right track.

I am not used to it so it’s weird.

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Damn who knew you found an accurate self portrait of me there!

**Gets all cuddly in Ico’s pocket**

I am okay with this

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I challenge everyone to post at least 1 meme wrt this game during the weekend, so that my post-weekend ketchup is more enjoyable

thx

I can't express how serious I am about this tho. It will literally help solve the game.

Did my meme work?

Sorry Plum! You will be missed!

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Make it 5 on VLA.

VLA until Tuesday

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VOTE: ari

Trying to portray yourself as active in this game - and more so than me - is kindly just all the way off. “Active poster” ari my ass.

Okay but I am?

I was inactive for the first part of the game but since my work schedule cooled off I have been here actively. I have more posts than yourself in a far shorter timespan, and I would be more active if there were people other than Math and RC to interact with on a regular basis.

Also I was talking about the weekend specifically here and you are on a V/la so really you took my post and spun it in an ilunintended direction for whatever reason.

Your vote sucks and you should feel bad about it.
Case me if you think I'm scum

Interesting you omitted Skitter.....

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I don't think anyone thinks that there's a "small chance" that I'm town. I think most of your townblock townreads me outright. The only people scumreading me in this game as far as I'm aware are yourself and Skitter30 and Skitter30 isn't actually interested in pursuing my lynch, for whatever reason. Why are you misrepping that?

I technically scumread you in some low probability worlds.

However mainly I need to see if my teammates are right on things and we all agree Ari is scum.

Still waiting on Ari to push someone

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I think that only 1/2 of Skitter/RCE is scum and exactly 1/2 of them is.

I think RCE is town. So I would agree with that.

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I don't agree with that read actually.

I'm starting to think RCE actually makes more sense as the deepwolf than Skitter.

I actually can't see why people are townreading him?

It’s really hard to explain.

Less hedgy is my best guess at it.

Deliberate, surgeon like but with a purpose.

Skitter seems to be falling on premise excuses.

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I don't think anyone thinks that there's a "small chance" that I'm town. I think most of your townblock townreads me outright. The only people scumreading me in this game as far as I'm aware are yourself and Skitter30 and Skitter30 isn't actually interested in pursuing my lynch, for whatever reason. Why are you misrepping that?

Why is disagreeing with you misrepping? This is the type of thing that got TW mislynched.

I mean. Literally you stated an untrue thing. Your townblock besides Skitter all has me as some vein of reasonably strong townread.
TW stated a bunch of untrue things and got mislynched for it. That doesn't make it my problem. It's objectively a fact that, for example, claiming investigative isn't an excuse to survive.

It’s really hard to explain.

Less hedgy is my best guess at it.

Deliberate, surgeon like but with a purpose.

I don't buy this and I strongly suggest reevaluating this before endgame.

He only got lynched because BBMolla and Titus backed you up.

With worsts flip you’re a null to them.

You make it between you and RCE and you lose.

I may be bad at hunting scum but my townreads (exception Civ) are generally good.

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You replace a low poster. But like, it doesn't matter.

It really does matter. It tells me you have stronger feelings about Teacher as scum as well as saying I could be a scumteam with Teacher and RC in your eyes, which is kind of out there tbh.

I started callong Teacher scummy out of the gates and when I had a chance to rethink that, I instead doubled down on it. How would we be possible teammates in your eyes?

Teacher scum relies on RC scum but the other reads are independent.

Also everyone is playing the associative game with 0 scumflips. Which is cool if that's what you do but has no bearing for me if all we're flipping is town.

Which is why Ari is just scum and independently bad.

Ari town pushes...

Where is Ari’s push?

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I don't think anyone thinks that there's a "small chance" that I'm town. I think most of your townblock townreads me outright. The only people scumreading me in this game as far as I'm aware are yourself and Skitter30 and Skitter30 isn't actually interested in pursuing my lynch, for whatever reason. Why are you misrepping that?

Why is disagreeing with you misrepping? This is the type of thing that got TW mislynched.

I mean. Literally you stated an untrue thing. Your townblock besides Skitter all has me as some vein of reasonably strong townread.
TW stated a bunch of untrue things and got mislynched for it. That doesn't make it my problem. It's objectively a fact that, for example, claiming investigative isn't an excuse to survive.

It’s really hard to explain.

Less hedgy is my best guess at it.

Deliberate, surgeon like but with a purpose.

I don't buy this and I strongly suggest reevaluating this before endgame.

Claiming investigative is undoubtedly drawing a protective. "Why didn't RC die night 1?" "Oh he claimed investigative day 1, scum can't afford to shoot there" "makes sense."

I thought it was scummy day 1. And then you opened day 2 with the assertion that scum knew the nature of your investigative so avoided killing anyone to evade you. What?

Only way RC is scum is if scum no killed and <redacted> who crumbed doc who healed me is scum.

Back off.

This is not the right play.

I want RC policied for his play. But that doesn’t make him scum. I have to restrain myself but he’s been talking and chilling he’s trying to cooperate don’t mess this up.

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The read in there that probably confuses the most people is Plum, but like I think that her iso is a lot harder to fake than it looks to an untrained eye
So... even if we lynch me we can obliterate the entire pool of people that I think contains all the scum

If I am wrong on RCE and RCE is scum it’s with Xtom and not Tris

Xtom’s post about warning to be careful seems meant for scum PT, but Xtom is such a low poster it’s hard to tell.

But no matter what in that world Ari goes first.

I am almost never a scum kill when townread because I can be shaded

That means I am right on Ari more often that not.

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You replace a low poster. But like, it doesn't matter.

It really does matter. It tells me you have stronger feelings about Teacher as scum as well as saying I could be a scumteam with Teacher and RC in your eyes, which is kind of out there tbh.

I started callong Teacher scummy out of the gates and when I had a chance to rethink that, I instead doubled down on it. How would we be possible teammates in your eyes?

Teacher scum relies on RC scum but the other reads are independent.

Also everyone is playing the associative game with 0 scumflips. Which is cool if that's what you do but has no bearing for me if all we're flipping is town.

Which is why Ari is just scum and independently bad.

Ari town pushes...

Where is Ari’s push?

Math.

I'm having conversation with people to glean intent and reads better. There is little to push because everything comes back to either myself or RC as scum and I disagree on all accounts there.

I am working on establishig where people sit so I know who has scum intent.

Why is any of this scummy?

Bullshit.

You’re saying everyone pushing you is town? Everyone pushing RC is town? Bullshit.

There’s plenty to work with you either just don’t want to give associatives or just can’t be bothered.

Both are incredibly scummy.

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If I am wrong on RCE and RCE is scum it’s with Xtom and not Tris

strong disagree

rce-tris is the single worst looking associative pairing in the game right now to my eyes.

How about we focus on Ari and save the who else til later?

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That means I am right on Ari more often that not.

And yet you are wrong...

And yet you spam

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RCE does have that weird obsession with Xtoxm. Hmm. Possibly right there Math

But, uh, Tris/Xtoxm/RCE makes more sense than Ari/Xtoxm/RCE I think. lol

Mainly you could be right on RCE but I don’t see Tris scum sorry.

Tris reads like apathetic town.

I mainly want to verify my reads are correct before going that far in. If Ari flips town something is very wrong and better to know now.

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Same reason that I claimed investigative in the first place

I wanted to claim so that everyone could trust me and work with me without the shadow of my scum game hanging over the lobby safe in the knowledge that I was eventually going to self resolve as scum.

I don't buy your push on me at all. I don't buy your original scumread on me either. I think your team deliberately pulled that to set me off.

This was literally your access point approach. The one you waved off as not being relevant here. The one that holds even more similarities in play now that day 1 is over.

Math I'm speaking mostly to you here but for anyone that wants to read through Access Point to see what I'm talking about is welcome to and if you need the link I'll find it.

So the lazy outline is that access point needed x amount of scum to be approved to a mission by the rest of the town to win. RC came into the game assuming the town leader role over NSG by immediately excluding himself from being voted in. Setting himself up to be self resolvable. It earned a lot of towncred with all but like 1 person (insomnia). RC hard pushed the fact that Insomnias read was bad because he would resolve anyway and as you can guess it was a shouting match that he replaced out of.

Point is, RC setting his team up to carry out the rest of the game isn't outside of my expectation of his scum game. With that could be any number of factors like the Poe being outside of his teammates even if it's still on him. Or (the one I feel is likely) he has anti-associated to diffuse the pool of partners that make sense with him in the event he flips. I don't find any of that unreasonable.

Yes RC could be scum. I am familiar with a game where this was his scum meta.

There’s also some things he is doing that are town only.

The one thing I am certain of is that RC didn’t expect to last long. I find this true whatever alignment he is.

I have been scum with him numerous times. Direct aggression or pushing RC is not the way to figure out who RC’s partners are if you think he is scum. Wait. If you think RC is scum it will play out. It has to.

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ok but here's the thing: if ari flips town then the people that i think are scum are going to win the game because the town will completely fall apart.

So the lazy outline is that access point needed x amount of scum to be approved to a mission by the rest of the town to win. RC came into the game assuming the town leader role over NSG by immediately excluding himself from being voted in. Setting himself up to be self resolvable. It earned a lot of towncred with all but like 1 person (insomnia). RC hard pushed the fact that Insomnias read was bad because he would resolve anyway and as you can guess it was a shouting match that he replaced out of.

Point is, RC setting his team up to carry out the rest of the game isn't outside of my expectation of his scum game. With that could be any number of factors like the Poe being outside of his teammates even if it's still on him. Or (the one I feel is likely) he has anti-associated to diffuse the pool of partners that make sense with him in the event he flips. I don't find any of that unreasonable.

ok but these are monumentally different scenarios. I never intended myself to be self resolvable. I was setting up for you to be submitted D2 and for me to take D3 when the person I pushed in on D2 got nightkilled (thus proving that I was pushing town and using it as an argument to clear me) then to use your terrible associatives with both my scumpartners to get you lynched.

You're talking about a game where I presented the illusion of something and comparing it to a game where I actually did something.

Pure hyperbole

Even assuming Ari is town town won’t fall apart. We will have actionable data to follow. Compare d1 and d2.

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I gotta go lunch break is over. Please don’t TvT again people.

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Also just contrast the way I push Insomnia in that game with the way I push TW in this game. It basically proves my point regarding the way I push people as scum V town.

People stop self metaing

No one cares and if you’re right it’s a trust tell

Stop TvTing and join my Ari wagon please k thanks!

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Stop TvTing and join my Ari wagon please k thanks!

How am I supposed to figure out that this is a TvT when he refuses to address the flaws in his argument
How is he supposed to figure out that this is a TvT when he refuses to address the flaws in his argument

How are you supposed to figure out this is TvT when you expect town to be perfect?

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Basically Ari if you're town town is falling apart here
I think it is very easy for scum to lunch you -> me and win lylo
Not exactly sure what to say atp.

Yeah no I 100% agree RC I just literally don't know what I can do to avoid this!

I'm gonna get lynched, flip town, it's somehow going to lead to your lynch either for still being alive or for some weird associatives or for just being RC, and then what!?

At that point its 5v3 lylo assuming NKs go through with Math leading the way with his wrong-ass reads!

Like fuck I have no clue how to stop this because I bet Ico and Skitty are the NKs we'll see and Math will just be left screaming into the void of inactive and scummy players!

Literally at a loss, man.

There’s no way town Ari writes this.

Two Neutral Killers and a scum team? And no deaths overnight?

Hahahaha

BBmolla’s response is paraphrased as How is Ari still breathing?

I am literally puppeting my team’s reads.

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If town are all so active we should be working together not infighting like we are. And yet this gunn be a scum victory with little to no effort on their parts.

Since you won’t die and you’re scum gonna go with a hard yeah scum will win.

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Dude

He meant NIGHTKILLS

Why are you so difficult

Because Ari is scum.

BBMolla is rather...insistent.

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Aaaargh this game is like rubbing my fingers on sandpaper

RC trust BBMolla. Ari is scum.

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If he's not town loses literally 100% of the time

This is empty hyperbole.

Town loses if we don’t lynch scum on day two with a save already.

This is empty rhetoric RC. You know better.

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I just see town losing and I can't stop it

Not because I don't have the skillset but because people just don't trust me

I trust you’re town right now. I disagree with your reads.

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Oh yay 5 pages in a day after 4 hours of driving! /sarcasm

Did anything important happen in those days?

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Oh yay 5 pages in a day after 4 hours of driving! /sarcasm

Did anything important happen in those days?

hi im voting you

Okay? Why?

*confused look of bewilderment*

Explain your thoughts so I can read you because clearly something is weird. Lol

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Oh yay 5 pages in a day after 4 hours of driving! /sarcasm

Did anything important happen in those days?

hi im voting you

Okay? Why?

*confused look of bewilderment*

Explain your thoughts so I can read you because clearly something is weird. Lol

rvs
i just joined

Clearly. How about instead of what seems to be trolling you read and do something?

It is taking a lot of restraint of me not to policy people here and if the past few posts are any indication y’all are adding to the post count without adding anything worthwhile.

You’re also seriously voting the likely person scum tried to night kill so doesn’t get more conf than me probs without mod flip soooo.....

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also keep in mind skitter that even if somehow scum manage to get away with keeping me alive when we massclaim it's *probably* going to be obvious the setup isn't balanced if I am not a TPR

If you’re not a TPR you’re scum since you claimed TPR.

And no playing outguess the mod.

There is no reason to mass claim yet.

Keep pants on.