Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: rcenigma

Feels awkward and contrived. Too much theory talk as well.
Skim reading, need to go back and look at the Ari stuff. Like the rc/the worst interaction over the last few pages.

Xtoms entrance sucks.

Liking ico right now , is making reasonable points.

[Bellaphant]

So, I hate Day one. I'm catching up. very stream of consciousness

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Mathblade's page one is super weird, really aggressive for no reason. Stands out the worst 13
Skitter's response is my response here, so early town lean. 24
Not seeing the fuss about 45, Plum's fine
46 actually feels town though. seems relaxed and confident. Followed up in 56. Town-feels
Ari's scum team in 78 is super weird.
96 of skitters is really, really damaging to my town read. 'could be this, or that. or that'. Yes, that's the game.
128 cool, rc is town

@ari, talk to me about your teacher read?

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I'm not seeing the math scum read here, at all. they are being silly about the partners thing but not scummy.
186 oh, apparently rc is playing? like this response to plum
plum's vote on an absent slot is scummy 209 and even acknowledges this in the post.
more ari votes? this looks worst for the worst than RC.
Ico's plum reasons are fine.
Enigma comes in with some ok reads 320 is just good advice

Votes on ari's absent slot are just bad and you should all feel bad.
@ennimga, talk to me about tris and teacher?

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325 why? why? I hate the lack of content here.
343 etc were the posts I felt bad about 'theory crafting' from Enigma earlier. Posts like 359 are making me wonder if this is just my personality disliking the self aware/removed tone.
Still not seeing the ari scum-read. Even if I was, votes here are bad.
Skitters posting is not improving.
I can't make anything of teacher.

Can we stop just sheeping rc? Whether he's wrong or right it's super unhelpful for later analysis.

I work much better if people talk directly to me. I think I've played with plum ages ago, ari a few times and rc a bunch. Pls all come throw questions/ideas at me.
UNVOTE: skitter

(I'd vote for plum but my teammates like that they chatted to their team about ari. I'm thinking about it.)

[Bellaphant]

UNVOTE:


VOTE: skitter

[Bellaphant]

@rce because votes on a slot that isn't really here doesn't move the game on. on day 1, we want to see how people react to pressure, look at competing wagons later on, etc. A vote here feels lazy and anti-town.

Thanks about tris, I don't know them and I'm super null on them. Teacher hasn't massively impressed me, though.

@math, I'm not 'sheeping' ari, bc to do that I'd have to just chuck a vote on him bc ari did: it's obvious in my catch-up that I have other reasons for voting him. I don't think it means anything right now? If ari's scum i look pretty weird yelling out his wagon and 'sheeping' him but it's by honest response to the thread.

Hi @the worst, come chat to me more. Reading convos between worst and rc still make me townlean them. Actually, chat to me about math? I don't get town-lean.

@plum, ico's case on you isn't why I like them, per se. It's more a tonal read and they at least feel like they are solving.

@skitter, it felt really fence sitty. I like that they checked, rather than piling on a wagon willy-nilly. I know that's easy to fake though.

@math, how have i gone from derp-town (possibly) to scum based on an opening that didn't engage much with the game when like, I made it clear i was skim reading and had paid the most attention to the last few pages, and then went back and literally said 'wow, my read on rce was dumb'.

You've basically invented a narrative.

VOTE: math

[Bellaphant]

I'll get to the rest later but I'm not sure what else I can explain about rce? The posts around the ones I've mentioned seemed to be more interested in explaining the theory of team Mafia than scum hunting - theory talk is something I've seen (and done) as scum to look busy. When I re-read I realised that not only is rce making a lot of sense generally, there's town motivation in explaining why he wants to focus on the reads of the person playing.

I also mentioned playstyle. Rce looks very logical and tonallt a bit detached whereas I'm more scatty and chatty.

I did re examine, it's why I took my vote off. It was a bad vote. *Shrug*

@rc, I'm gonna have to re-read plum in iso but I'm getting nothing on tris (super null) and I'd lean town on Ari. I wanna respond to plum anyway.

I'm voting marhblade for pushing a narrative that just isn't happening. I find it weird they are trying to set up a big story about my what, five posts?

[Bellaphant]

I realise I'm very late on this but I'm town reading plum, I really like their realist post and am getting of town pings from early interactions, especially with math blade, mainly because of the relaxed tone, the chill reaction to the party hat stuff, etc.

Which means I no have to go and re-read ico!

@skitter, the 1v1 set to you had with RC made me town read you.
Ceph specifically thinks that noone should be pushing RC right now. Hard agree. Part of this is also BC of their light town case on me - think RC is the persob with the most experience of m in the game..

Hard scum read on flopz.

[Bellaphant]

UNVOTE:

I've remembered a game with Titus where Titus did a lot of the things maths is doing with me. We were both town. I'm leaving his read for a while, it's not productive.

[Bellaphant]

Just iso-ing you.

[Bellaphant]

Huh, you've posted way more content than I thought. I dislike your early case on plum but also super like that plum pushed you on your flip flop on them and you were able to point to responses that changed your mind.

I like the fact you are calling out a few hard town reads of teacher BC I just have like... no/slightly low opinion of the slot and tbsoe reads confused me too.

I like how relaxed you are about the idea that you are bussing your whole scum team.

Vague pressure on the worst is good posting too.

I'm ignoring the NK chat with RC BC it's unhelpful
Reaching out to m to sort a read feels townie. Im also going on tone, questions and pressure in similar places to how I feel.

Cool, that was useful. Do you have thoughts or questions for me?

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: flopz

Pssst, Ico, a good way to get the vote is to vote the slot.

Yeah, I need to probe my read on tris and teacher.

[Bellaphant]

Klick agrees with MSG's reads a fair amount. Thinks ducky could be scum which I'm kinda here for. Klick also sees the 'math is using space logic about Bella but is probably town'.

[Bellaphant]

Klick likes flopz's reads..ceph thinks ico is town. I'm gonna iso Tris.

[Bellaphant]

Bad rc, I stopped being mislynch bait today.

Ceph says Ari is scum (klick agrees), that plum is just good at talking so I should be more cautious there, that math is 'crazy pants and unreadable' (I'm leaving this til like, day three, lol) and that ico is town BC he's bad at scum and it would've been obv by now.

[Bellaphant]

@ari, when have you seen me play scum? (Re 870)

[Bellaphant]

Ugh, I liked skitters post and then he voted for ico.

I read tris and Ari and teacher and ducky and I just saw a bunch of stupid associatives between tris/Ari/ducky.

Independent of that don't think Ari is town any more...im curious for Ari to respond to my question BC I legit don't remember my last scum role pm

.Tris is null-scum and I'm still just null on teacher.
UNVOTE:

My team didn't massively like this.

(P-edit, math still can't read me. Can you talk to Titus a out about that game where she decided I was scum, fake claimed an inno on scum (jeanne11 I think) and we had the arguements I don't wanna shit up the thread with about people seeing things that aren't there? BC this feels like that )

[Bellaphant]

I wasn't saying you were/would fake something. I was using the fake thing to indicate you know, the reads were kinda crazy. I also wasnt saying your reads were dictated, just like...ive felt this way before in a similar sitch with someone on your team. Like, I'm.happy to chalk this up to ' we don't communicate great' but for you that means I'm in your scum pool. *Le shrug*

@skitter, sorry!

[Bellaphant]

Titus said the more confusing you were the more town you were.

... holy shit please high five titus for me

Ducky , I find this very weird when like, I've invited 121 convo. If you are confused, come sort me. Stop vague-blogging about me.


But not now, I'm going to bed;).

@math, what does your response to me mean?

[Bellaphant]

@math It's kinda sad that's all your taking from that but fine.

I should be more suspicious that RC is giving some of the lower content slots (me, ico) a hard town pass but I town read me and ico too.

@duck, I could prolly dig out the game?

[Bellaphant]

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=71471&user_select% ... &start=200. Tldr Titus used 'slayers gambit' got annoyed when I votes it for being shit and then stayed on me for like...3 days for 'reasons'. Oh,jeanne11 was under an alt.

@math, talk in the am..

[Bellaphant]

Rc at this point my thouhts are:

I just want this day to be over already if lynching ari is what it takea then fine whateves

I haven't read past here but, hard agree. (There was a lot more nuance to this post, but I'm phone posting and this is easier than bolding)

[Bellaphant]

@skitter, JJ has played with me a bunch and should be able to read me.

I'm over this day. Like, Ari isn't here. He said he wouldn't be here. And instead of hunting other scum, rc has again filled up the thread yelling about him. This game would be 80% more readable of people engaged with other slots


My tin hat brain is saying some people "cough* are focusing on Ari to avoid having associatives with anyone else. Like, there is plenty in the thread to talk about..

[Bellaphant]

Hi rce, do you have any questions you want to ask me?

[Bellaphant]

...p-edit, there was a vote here for ducks before the warning about xtom..


Team are fine with it, but like...Jesus why aren't we lynching ari? There's nothing alignment Indicative in any of his posting. Plus:

Ari: Bella does X as scum
Bella: lol wut, I can't remember the last time I got a scum role pm so how can you?
Ari: some waffle about he didn't mean I did X as scum.

It caught my attention the first time BC it just seemed like a really low effort way to throw Shade. He couldn't evidence it.

I owe someone a list of associatives, I'll sort that over night , flip dependant. I know my effort levels fell off a cliff but this day is relentless. I'm reading pretty constantly tho .

[Bellaphant]

Hot (like in dragonfire hot) take:

Lynching the worst (if he flips town), will lead straight to the lynching of RC, who will probably also flip town. This is the easiest and quickest path to a scum victory, taking out 2 of (what i consider) the strongest players in the game.

I feel like lynching either on D1 comes from fear of what they might do to town if let alive, something I'm feeling myself. But I can't justify a lynch on either of them based on fear.

So why aren't we lynching Ari?

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: ari

[Bellaphant]

@math , I really do think Ico and plum are town, but a lot of it is a tone/vibe thing.

A plum wagon seems kinda desperate and weird.

[Bellaphant]

....I agree entirely with math's posting since day start.

Why teacher? Teacher was one of the few votes on tw which objectively didn't suck, a fact which saved his fairly neutral iso when I reread.

[Bellaphant]

"Objectively didn't suck"
...

VOTE: tw

Quack

How exactly did this save his iso? XD

It's the part where he desperately wants to lynch scum (you) and is voting to end the toxic day pretty clearly. Like, I refuse to believe you are thinking about what you are saying at all.

@rc, that's fucking ironic considering you are the reason we have literally no usable info from the end of day one. Also like...the fact that we couldn't get an Ari lynch for love not money while we lynched town doesn't worry you? Really?

[Bellaphant]

"Objectively didn't suck"
...

VOTE: tw

Quack

How exactly did this save his iso? XD

I mean you agree there’s a shit ton more to my iso on why I voted duck right? Why are you playing dumb?

This!

@math, I don't know how I feel about plum. I had then as town when they were in your Poe scum pool but the not voting Ari thing was sup r questionable.

I also think you tr tris? I can't get them above null.

I don't think scum no kills here at all

P-edit, skitter said plum things.

Tbf I think RC and plum are a lot easier to sort with Ari flipped.

[Bellaphant]

@rc, can you rephrase that?

@math, aris posting is really bad

[Bellaphant]

ari was the only person to oppose the duck lynch in a significant way
he was also the proposed alternative lynch which is really low value for scum
+town equity

I like your post, but what's your thoughts on RC?

Do you really like this? Because it's all bullshit. Lots of people wanted a different lynch than ducks. If he knew he wasn't going to get lynched BC of RC, it's easy town!points to oppose another wagon verbally without doing anything useful yourself - his vote was nowhere at day end.

I think you are town but really? That post sucked and I can't see what you liked.

[Bellaphant]

Hi Ari.

Engage me. It's hard to post a lot of content when a lot of the thread is RC. I'm not dealing with RC today. .

Why are you scum reading teacher? It feels like you are being deliberately obtuse about him - how do you explain the hand waving you did over his RC vote? BC it feels like the handwaving you did over "Bella does this as scum...I meant she doesn't, but she could!'

[Bellaphant]

Oh god, Ari might be town and rce might be deepwolf.

I'm gonna be around a bunch today and tomorrow. My issue is with timezones - noone posts all day and I wake up to ten pages.

[Bellaphant]

Ico, how do your last two posts go together?

[Bellaphant]

....RC gets into a 1v1 yesterday to stop Ari getting lynched and we lynch town to make everyone shut up.

RC starts a -new- 1 v 1 with probtown marhblade and...expects profit?

In less than 50 words, like, can RC explain how what he is doing is helpful?

It's more than likely there is at least one scum in th quiet/replaced slots. Why focus on shitting up the thread again?

RC also can't seem to remember where I am around their null line from post to post.

[Bellaphant]

Ugh RC stop feeling town. I wanna lynch you so I can engage with the thread again

I could do shos.

[Bellaphant]

Hi Ari,

I read plum as town mainly tonally, not switching their vote to you was really weirdly handled (contrast with say, teacher, who was really clear in his thought process around voting you/ducky) and shos hasn't done anything stunning.

I think RC is town. I think math is town..I'm starting to think even you could be town. I think Ico may be town and skitter ive gone back to null on. I agree that not all our scum are in the lurk pool but I've got more town reads than scum reads and plums handling of your slot was just weird.

I'm around for like 30 if you wanna hit me up.

[Bellaphant]

Ari was sorta null early game, I was mainly frustrated that we were wagoning an absent slot. I was unimpressed by his come back, especially the handwavey stuff about 'bella just could do this as scum'. The resistance to actually getting a lynch on him would normally make me scream scum but a lot was going on there. His start of day was shit and he did the same hand wavey thing to teacher (tried to say teachers vote on duck was bad even tho he'd really explained it). But I feel like he was genuinely trying to solve a few that, I liked the level of thought that went into his readslist a few RL days ago, and Although Ari isn't massively solvey he at least looks engaged.

With plum, I really liked how they handled early pressure (from I think math but deffo ico), they seemed really natural and relaxed and I Equate that with town. However the interactions with the wagons at day end was just straight up bad (not voting their scum read for... reasons) and then shos hasn't made me feel anything.

If you wanted me to go through their iso and point out specifics I could, or is that what you wanted?


@ari, questions thoughts comments?

[Bellaphant]

That's what I said, RC?

I read tris teacher and...someone else in iso overnight (it could've been rce again) and like, teachers iso was really bull until just around the vote when I thoight town (and have seen today's play as town), tris was just really empty and I was surprised at how many posts they had versus what I could make a read out of.

[Bellaphant]

Ah, agreed!

[Bellaphant]

Quality content right there.

[Bellaphant]

Do you need me to l-1?

[Bellaphant]

Banana. Flopz replaces thrilbert who I'm not sure even posted.

Can you talk to me about rce?

[Bellaphant]

He and Ari are the reas I've flip flopped on the most. Can you point me to loek some 'key posts' with rce that read really scummy?

Flopz is on vla

[Bellaphant]

Also I wasn't offering to hammer you, I lost a vote on you somewhere.

[Bellaphant]

Valid. I wasn't massively impressed with your earlier content but this is better. I'm also not sure why saud isn't getting treated similar to you.

It's fine . I'm the best of the low hanging fruit slots and I'm kinda fine with it? Like you, I'm doing a lot of reading.


@rce, apart from saud saying I'm open wolfing I couldn't tell you their reads either...

[Bellaphant]

@ico, you've been on four different wagons today. Can you give me your resosns why for each jump in like, a sentence each?


@rce, why not?

[Bellaphant]

Hey Ari.

What do you think of the fact shos had a massive wagon and the tris slot didn't?

[Bellaphant]

Doesn't? *Shrug*

[Bellaphant]

I hard disagree? Like, it shocked me to see saud had 150ish posts but all that's in my head when I think of them is that clown music? Da da dadada da da dada... Like, point me to some actual stances of theirs?

I get what you are saying about own content tho.

'bc rc' is also like, not a good reason for anything..

Also, @shos, what was '
Why wouldn't bella vote ari? that makes no sense' specifically referring to?

I don't know what bop means

[Bellaphant]

Hey saud, read my iso. It's lovely and short. If you have questions, come back to me

I don't think math should happen today/ever?


I'd you could Ari, that's be great..even like, top ten posts that make you think town

[Bellaphant]

Ohh I see what you are asking now!

[Bellaphant]

Considering both Rc and maths assumed they were the night kill, I think assuming a jk makes more sense than like a doc?

[Bellaphant]

I thought rcs result was just that teacher didn't kill, not that teacher wasn't scum?

[Bellaphant]

I want more organic content from shos. I'm back to being unsure on rce. I can't work out why saud/tris us getting a pass. Tom still isn't town

If some/all of these are somehow town then it's rc and Ari!

Math, I'm right about what rcs result means if true? I hate mechanic

P-edit, thanks teacher

[Bellaphant]

I'm also waiting for shos to talk about rxe and Ari to talk about Saud.

Generally, finding or thinking about teams without a flip isnr something I'm good at

[Bellaphant]

Math:give us some words!
Also math: your words are disgusting!

You know how to keep a girl interested and motivated! It's 6.30am, I'm going back to bed.

[Bellaphant]

@ari, math already showed a bunch of the crumbs in the last few pages but I also wasn't convinced they meant what math read in them. It does ask the questio why ico was just happy to let math assume ico had protected them..

@teacher, no worries. I got skitters wrong at some point too, sorry.

[Bellaphant]

Ari, I'm waiting for nice things in sauds iso from you.

Math, I'll try to word vomit later. I get that I wasn't clear enough earlier.

[Bellaphant]

Ico wagon bouncing today is really odd tho? Like he's been on four wagons.

[Bellaphant]

How do you feel about skitter, rce?

Let's leave mechanics for a bit? It's so hard to read people arguing continually about something we literally don't know

[Bellaphant]

@mod, vla til Tuesday

[Bellaphant]

Hi,

So that's a really weird kill, I was sure that scum would go after ico as a claimed doc. So I jail kept him last night to protect him.

I jailkept rce night one, which was why I was so waffly on my read yesterday - I thought he was town but the no kill really confused me.
It's also why j was less happy to just jump on 'we have two conf town'.
I'm outing this now as my role was only n1-2. Obviously there is a world in which rce and ico are both scum, mechanically.

@teacher, skitter, thoughts?

What do we make of Ari town casing saud after I was wanting to lynch him while we were wagoning shos?

[Bellaphant]

I was only night 1 and 2, technically I was an alien but it worked as a jk. If icos town pr also has limits on it, that makes sense?
Ive been town reading you since day one ico, but you must be able to see why I'm a bit concerned right now.

Not masses, but I'll go back and find, ico

[Bellaphant]

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Spoiler:

VOTE: flopz

Pssst, Ico, a good way to get the vote is to vote the slot.

Yeah, I need to probe my read on tris and teacher.

@skitter, JJ has played with me a bunch and should be able to read me.

I'm over this day. Like, Ari isn't here. He said he wouldn't be here. And instead of hunting other scum, rc has again filled up the thread yelling about him. This game would be 80% more readable of people engaged with other slots


My tin hat brain is saying some people "cough* are focusing on Ari to avoid having associatives with anyone else. Like, there is plenty in the thread to talk about..

Oh god, Ari might be town and rce might be deepwolf.

I'm gonna be around a bunch today and tomorrow. My issue is with timezones - noone posts all day and I wake up to ten pages.

That's what I said, RC?

I read tris teacher and...someone else in iso overnight (it could've been rce again) and like, teachers iso was really bull until just around the vote when I thoight town (and have seen today's play as town), tris was just really empty and I was surprised at how many posts they had versus what I could make a read out of.

Considering both Rc and maths assumed they were the night kill, I think assuming a jk makes more sense than like a doc?

?

In which I lean in to alien (probe, tin hat) waffle on my rce read day 2 and mentioning there being a jk.

[Bellaphant]

For you to be scum, ico, you'd have to be scum -with- math and that could all have been arranged. But again, that sounds paranoid. I just wasnt expecting a no kill night one and was last night!

[Bellaphant]

Sorry

But I also think scum neighboriser is cool!

[Bellaphant]

Rce was one of my strongest TRS going into night one - it was a toss up between you and him! But yes, he makes sense as the killer in a highly suspected team. I was so quiet yesterday BC I suddenly had doubt! He's good enough atthe social aspects of the game to deep wolf.

I think my issue is it seems too easy to have 2 or more sscums in some of the least productive slots of the game - it's never that easy.

[Bellaphant]

Sorry, I meant shos. I didn't want him lynched yesterday and I don't today.

[Bellaphant]

I jk rce first, then ico. The neighborising that slot is super strange? Scum neighboriser is so powerful and seems so wasted

Xtom, what exactly is your issue with my claim? You've shaded it twice now but not explained why.

[Bellaphant]

That's what I said!

[Bellaphant]

Not neighborhood

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Umm I made a mistake
VOTE: RCE
this is superior to Math

Town, n1-2 alien.

[Bellaphant]

It's weirding me out that math is focusing on looking for scum in the.clained PRS. None of maths posting today makes sense? It's not just me being stupid right?

[Bellaphant]

Xtom, second or third time: what's wrong with my claim?


Hi espe-love

I dunno, as scum I deffo leave RC around to add 100 pages a night and stop town reading.

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I targeted rce because they were sharing my thoughts at the end of day one. I didn't think scum would kill RC or math BC of the amount of conflict in the thread - rce seemed a fairly widely read town who was reasonable.

I was super null on Ari and lightly scum reading tris and having second thoughts on plum. Teachers iso day 1 was super null but they wanted the Ari lynch as much as I did so became town through their handling of that.

Skitter I could see being good enough to play this as scum. Ico was town, maybe I should have targeted ico, lol.

I really like rces play today tho? Their approach to me and my approach to them is super town and I dunno why 'caught' scum would be making the effor r

[Bellaphant]

Ari also hard defended and town cased saud scum when his iso was shit. It takes real effort to do that and I think we need to look at Ari again

[Bellaphant]

Yeah I'm never lynching teacher. Agree with everything he said on the last page.

[Bellaphant]

Sorry teacher, can you reword that question? Is it 'why didn't I jk rc' or.. something else I'm not parsing.

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Bc I didn't believe his claim, teacher. He was being stupid about it, claiming a night one result, etc. I thought most people felt the same?he also wasn't an obvious night kill - his noise was killing the thread , I'd never have killed him as scum.