TM2020 - Large Theme - Gay Mafia IV: TOWN WIN

Ankamius · Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:52 am

In post 6396, Ankamius wrote:but scumreading me despite this is absolutely insane, my scumrange does not include spinning elaborate solves with THIS MUCH emotion involved and with THIS MUCH consistency in posting

even FotM, my strongest scumgame on the site, was missing one of the three.

actually, my solves in that game weren't even that elaborate

so technically I only had 1/3 in that game too

literally all I had to do was stay consistent enough to my own posting and I was set

Ankamius · Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:06 am

regardless of if I'm wrong on you, FL, I find it very hard to believe that there isn't MINIMUM two scum in nom+kuribo+FL

Ankamius · Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:06 am

nom+kuribo+dave*

Ankamius · Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:13 am

and I'm frankly not convinced at all that you're town either when I would fully expect you to go into your scumgame and why my idea of it doesn't make sense instead of just deflecting it with "IioA" as your first thought

you've mentioned in plenty of other games that you plan thing and play for perfect wins, and I pointed out a gameplan that plays for a perfect win
so many things link together in such a perfect way that it's very hard to believe it's not a coincidence, especially when there's so many slots that people are going to be wildly unwilling to lynch for mechanics reasons, much less gameplay reasons

dave is immune forever because "InVeStIgAtIvE hOoD" and people aren't going to be willing to remove that
the roleblocking hood has so much shit flung at it that the scum in there can essentially hide in there forever if it's not broken into asap, and yet getting a wagon on any of the three has been proven to be literally impossible
the doctor hood is immune forever because of this bullshit about the lightning rod

lynching me as scum is safe because A50 has even posted that he's very unlikely to ever use the vigshot, and I would be surprised if that's something that people who know him would have already been able to guess beforehand

in what fucking universe does this not look convenient as hell for you, and why would I ever find this response town:

In post 6179, Flavor Leaf wrote:This is all just IioA.

Also, can Roleblock ability hit the LMS abilities? I thought it was for the Group Actions only

In post 6182, Flavor Leaf wrote:And a lot of incorrect assumptions because you have me as scum in there.

I also think it’s incredibly convenient timing for you to flip on EP, myself, because of the inner issues we have going right now, and it feels like you’re trying to swing momentum off of you rather than finding scum.

Ankamius · Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:15 am

it's just like what kuribo's been doing this entire time

you didn't address a single thing that I posted and the most likely response is because it takes a lot less effort to bluster about and nitpick tiny things to blow up into big things so that people forget about or just don't read the case

kuribo's literally just been nitpicking random garbage and pretending that me having a read shift or not coloring in my own name green suddenly makes my case invalid

like what the actual fuck

Ankamius · Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:15 am

this is how people that can't actually debate win debates

Ankamius · Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:46 am

In post 6408, Flavor Leaf wrote:You also literally said earlier you straight up don’t think scum are planning, that’s why A50 made that post about how I do in fact plan everything, so now you’re contradicting yourself.

You seriously can’t see how you have such high scum equity in this game?

Where did I say this???

Ankamius · Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:50 am

you can't call it iioa if you don't even read past the first part

Ankamius · Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:50 am

In post 6413, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 6406, Ankamius wrote:this is how people that can't actually debate win debates

Here’s the thing, though.

I can win debates. I feel like the fact I’m not actively doing that stuff should be town indicative to you.

I find you to be the most likely one I'm wrong on at this point if it matters

Ankamius · Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:53 am

if you can read what I've posted in the last couple pages and still think I'm more likely scum than not, then the engagement is never going to go anywhere and continuing it is pointless

sorry

Ankamius · Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:54 am

like in the case you're town, you're outright willfully ignoring things

Ankamius · Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:56 am

In post 6419, Ankamius wrote:if you can read what I've posted in the last couple pages and still think I'm more likely scum than not, then the engagement is never going to go anywhere and continuing it is pointless

sorry

I'll amend to add that if you're not going to address why I'm scumreading you too

both aren't happening so I don't see a reason to continue

Ankamius · Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:00 am

Just read what I've been saying to you and read what my other scumreads have been saying, then tell me your thoughts on them

I'm going to work, bye.

Ankamius · Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:09 am

UNVOTE: nom

I'm off somewhere... assuming FL is town reinforces itself really quickly and I need to vet what that means

Ankamius · Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:21 am

Panth what are your reads atm?

Ankamius · Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:22 am

All of them please

I don't need a paragraph or anything for all of them, just a brief explanation on every slot works

Ankamius · Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:42 am

It hit me that I missed something really obvious that explains the gamestate just as easily

Fucking shit

Ankamius · Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:45 am

I need to double check things

But it literally might just be as simple as Gamma + Davesaz + 2 in the roleblocker hood

No shit the gamestate is like this if all the attention is on the all town hoods

The night actions of the commute and doctor hood make sense as all town
Revealing my neighborhood makes sense
Removing FB was to add more tension onto nom and remove the commute
Me + EP is a distraction, nom is a distraction

It makes sense

Ankamius · Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:54 am

Problem is I can see all 3 people in the rb hood being scum

Zzz

Ankamius · Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:55 am

Removing town majorities in hoods each night makes sense too

Ankamius · Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:20 am

Can maria and kuribo confirm the neighborhood being empty of posts the last day and night?

Ankamius · Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:34 am

Am I the only one creeped out by those 3 suddenly showing up when they did

Ankamius · Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:35 am

You dave gamma

Ankamius · Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:32 am

In post 6476, Almost50 wrote:
In post 6452, Ankamius wrote:Am I the only one creeped out by those 3 suddenly showing up when they did

In post 6454, Ankamius wrote:You dave gamma
GDI, Ank! You proposed Scum team was kuribo/FL/nom + "possibly" dave, and now Panth/gooey (+dave) poppomg up creeps you out?? You
obviously
dunno what you're doing or saying, and if you are Town you are the main reason the game got to this weird status.

VOTE: Ank

I've had it with you confident solves that change every 48 hours (on average).

As I said, of Ank flips Town I am NOT going to shoot anyone. If she flips Scum I am
still considering my options
.

um

Ankamius · Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:33 am

In post 6430, Ankamius wrote:UNVOTE: nom

I'm off somewhere... assuming FL is town reinforces itself really quickly and I need to vet what that means

In post 6433, Ankamius wrote:It hit me that I missed something really obvious that explains the gamestate just as easily

Fucking shit

In post 6435, Ankamius wrote:I need to double check things

But it literally might just be as simple as Gamma + Davesaz + 2 in the roleblocker hood

No shit the gamestate is like this if all the attention is on the all town hoods

The night actions of the commute and doctor hood make sense as all town
Revealing my neighborhood makes sense
Removing FB was to add more tension onto nom and remove the commute
Me + EP is a distraction, nom is a distraction

It makes sense

In post 6436, Ankamius wrote:Problem is I can see all 3 people in the rb hood being scum

Zzz

In post 6438, Ankamius wrote:Removing town majorities in hoods each night makes sense too

In post 6452, Ankamius wrote:Am I the only one creeped out by those 3 suddenly showing up when they did

Ankamius · Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:59 pm

So now that we've seen what kuribo's real anger looks like, is it obvious enough that he was exaggerating anger at every other point in the game he was presenting himself as such?

Ankamius · Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:00 am

Btw a50

If you want a scum push instead of a team push, it's the slot I keep trying to push first. Kuribo.

Ankamius · Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:01 am

I think part of the reason this game is so frustrating is because kuribo is hilariously obvscum and yet it's like impossible to get people to even remember he's there half the time

That's a skill I wish I had

Ankamius · Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:03 am

Of course I imagine the only way to not get a game losing lynch is to swing a MariaR one, which is also losing if she's town

I'm glad I'm here

Ankamius · Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:07 am

I don't think town has any winning paths other than hitting scum in the roleblocker hood

Ankamius · Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:15 am

The gamestate didn't shift at all for my first solve, but it shifted significantly when I posited my second one.

FL please tell me you're noticing that, I think it means I'm hitting the correct notes.

It fits the mechanical plays since dave and gamma are older school logic players, kuribo + probably MariaR fits snugly enough into it but I haven't entirely discounted panth yet for his reads list being a bit too perfect

Ankamius · Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:56 am

Quote for me?

Ankamius · Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:57 am

Honestly FL I think it's only ever possible to avoid a deadline flash lynch if we join up

You've mentioned before that you have very low credibility, but I really haven't had much better luck

Bridging the gap and ending this side vs side thing is probably what the game needs to kill the apathy enough to get anything done

Ankamius · Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:59 am

Like... have you noticed the amount of raw noise has gone down lately? There's only a couple sources of it, but a remarkable amount of these posts have been solvey or relevant content

Ankamius · Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:10 am

In post 6518, Flavor Leaf wrote:Here’s the thing, I started thinking, and the player that we would agree on as a compromise lynch, my go to person I was about to say was “I could do Dave.”

However...I feel like because I was about to say that without thinking, that he is a mislynch.

In post 6519, Flavor Leaf wrote:I could be overthinking it.

Have your reads in general shifted any

Ankamius · Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:19 am

I can explain why I think killing in the rb hood is functionally the only correct move in more detail later, but functionally the reason is because I think its impossible to create enough swing in the gamestate to catch up otherwise

We need swing to have a chance

Ankamius · Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:20 am

I just heard EC cringe from all the way over here

Ankamius · Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:23 am

Ok so fake rage and endless discrediting doesn't work

Ankamius · Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:36 am

Gamma what are you saying this now instead of like

Any other time today

Ankamius · Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:48 am

I've noticed over time that the only time I get results by casing is by towncasing or just shutting down wagons

I've even towncased nom in this game and nobody really cared, I'm not really interested in spending another afternoon writing a wall of text nobody will read anyways when I can just work the playerlist instead and force the rest to change their views

Ankamius · Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:09 am

I haven't figured it out yet FB

I don't want to make any more pushes until I'm reasonably confident it will actually get traction

Ankamius · Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:14 am

I just @ him so you good

Ankamius · Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:05 pm

With how exhausted I am from overworking and the lack of cohesion despite the best of my efforts, I've decided this game isn't worth my sanity and mental health, so I will return tomorrow.

I'll return to vote if we need one for a lynch, but otherwise I'm leaving the thread until then.

Ankamius · Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:06 pm

Make good use of these couple of days!

Ankamius · Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:45 pm

honestly

I wouldn't even be mad if I was lynched, this game has long since passed the point where I could point to a single person in the game and say they earned a town win

I don't think a single person here does

Ankamius · Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:48 pm

I can maybe kinda make an argument for FL

but nobody else does lol

Ankamius · Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:52 pm

you're bitching about me tunneling when:

1. you've been up my ass endlessly for 2 full days now
2. almost50 fucking fell apart at the seams at the slightest hint that I wasn't townreading him
3. nomnomnom fell apart at the pressure on her and has done nothing since
4. panth and gamma spent a lot of the last two days up nom's ass endlessly

you can fuck off with that argument

Ankamius · Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:52 pm

kuribo

you've been fucking useless all game

don't even give me shit

Ankamius · Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:55 pm

at least I tried to save the game!

Ankamius · Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:56 pm

In post 6564, Ankamius wrote:honestly

I wouldn't even be mad if I was lynched, this game has long since passed the point where I could point to a single person in the game and say they earned a town win

I don't think a single person here does

Ankamius · Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:49 pm

EC is still telling me to vote nom

VOTE: nomnomnom

Ankamius · Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:52 pm

I feel like vengeing dave is going to result in the highest likelihood of just flipping scum but I understand that half the game is going to get their panties in a bunch for asking to shoot an investigative so who the hell knows

Ankamius · Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:54 pm

gamma/davesaz/kuribo/mariar

where I'm leaning atm, not necessarily in that order

Ankamius · Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:55 pm

In post 6562, kuribo wrote:
In post 6559, panthaleon wrote:My dudes I'm not scum. But like w/e this game hasn't been fun, the last time I posted I got screamed down by kuribo, and I'm coming off of frustrating real life nonsense.

VOTE: kuribo

This game had been a shameful display of incomprehensibly poor and anti town play. Whoever you town folks are, I am disappointed.

Oh but real life stuff can't possibly be the reason for you not posting or being "off" since that's why you claim to scumread me

Xtoxm pointed out how scummy as fuck it is to try and claim a scumread on someone for not posting during VLA

you god damn right you got yelled at because you pulled a bullshit move that runs counter to fucking years of mafiascum etiquette

Now this is the last I'm gonna say in the subject, since you're going through some shit and unlike you I have some Fucking decency.

Ank/DEB/panth

I'll vote any of those three and that's it.

Ankamius · Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:55 pm

I'm going back to my exile

bye

Ankamius · Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:26 pm

so I was right, nom is town

Ankamius · Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:39 pm

do you have anything useful to say kuribo

Ankamius · Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:01 pm

looooooool

ok kuribo

Ankamius · Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:02 pm

you're the single worst case of not reading my posts I've ever fucking seen on this site

I still maintain that I hope you're scum solely because I refuse to believe you're that bad

Ankamius · Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:14 pm

congrats on catching and tunneling town

Ankamius · Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:02 am

I am here acknowledging daystart and will have more later.

Expect walls.

(Ftr I agree that dave should out his actions, I value the ability to sort him more accurately over the mechanical value of his LMS at this point)

Ankamius · Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:03 am

Danns game ended, so I am the last person on my team still alive in a game.

Dann has said he'd have more of an impact in the game.

Ankamius · Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:49 am

How many players are alive currently?

Ankamius · Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:50 am

Okay, neat.

Thank you.

Ankamius · Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:54 am

I'm will have more later, but I think this game is essentially solved. At least, it's close to solved. I just need one more slot that I'm entirely certain is town and the game is in auto.

I agree that FL is the best lynch this phase, and I think the partners are within DEB and FB. Gamma and davesaz are the PoE if the scum aren't within those 3 players, but I don't think scum can possibly be outside of those five players.

Ankamius · Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:59 am

Actually, if we ever get access to a vig shot, I think the game IS auto from that point.

FL > DEB > FB > dave > gamma lynch/vig order always wins the game from here, I believe.

Ankamius · Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:16 am

In post 6877, kuribo wrote:He also said that regarding no deaths last night, that FL has a history of dropping the no-kill gambit. He said that if FL is scum, this strongly points to Gamma being the buddy because FL was trying to use that to clear Gamma.

I disagree.

EP, his biggest pocket, turned on FL.
His Ank lynch didn't go through and he lost a scumpartner instead.

He needs allies, and what better way than to claim a protection on somebody?

Ankamius · Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:17 am

FL is feeling the pressure and needs to get creative to get the advantage back. Simply skating by isn't going to cut it anymore.

Ankamius · Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:33 am

Do you find it interesting that he was mostly talking TO me instead of about me, and simultaneously constantly repeating that he was only scum if I was scum?

Ankamius · Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:38 am

I think Firebringer is scum mostly because I think RC tried to specifically get a 1v1 between kuribo and me when he asked me to look at kuribos attack.

That timing was a bit too perfect and fits with the general gamestate progression.

Ankamius · Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:56 am

In post 816, Ankamius wrote:It got buried in the volpe fl shit and I'm ngl, it looks impossible to get anything concrete out of it without seeing the pt directly

In post 847, Ankamius wrote:am I reading the same game as you all?

In post 849, Ankamius wrote:I don't see it at all so I'm going to bug my team about it too!

In post 852, Ankamius wrote:and if there's scum in it, then it's gif*

In post 856, Ankamius wrote:there you go then!

Admittedly, I'd also be very happy that this was right.

Ankamius · Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:05 am

Not exactly all the quotes I meant to get, but you know what I mean.

Ankamius · Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:01 am

In post 6899, Firebringer wrote:Ank do u think my unquestioned town faith in u is weird?

Good point! I don't think I've ever seen you not scumread me for a lot of the game when I'm either alignment.

Ankamius · Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:13 am

In post 6904, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 6903, Gammagooey wrote:
In post 6898, Firebringer wrote:I think flavor is town because I don’t think scum would give nom the gun when nom was wanting to shoot flavor
I don't think nom was particularly suspicious of Flavor at the end of d3/beginning of night 3, she was pushing on you primarily (from a quick skim)
This is false.

It was a big topic of conversation yesterday about how I was the most likely venge shot too

How much of this was just from you?

Ankamius · Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:17 am

A50 has been out of his scumrange for a while now. We've already determined and put that read to rest.

Ankamius · Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:30 am

Yet you've said multiple times that I'm the only lynch yesterday?

Ankamius · Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:31 am

And ironically, when I voted MariaR and told you to vote her and put your money where your mouth was, your vote was conspicuously absent.

Very strange.

Ankamius · Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:40 am

Honestly FL, I don't need to read you.

I have enough confident townreads as it is.

Ankamius · Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:52 am

And yet lynching me was the only option yesterday.

Ankamius · Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:18 am

Tone down the ego.

Ankamius · Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:30 am

In post 6929, Flavor Leaf wrote:This game proves it.

People are just afraid of ScumFL because “can’t let FL get away with it! Worth losing the game over to make sure.”

In post 6925, Flavor Leaf wrote:Honestly Idgaf, just know y’all have been trash this game (town, scum’s been semi decent)

Policy lynch Day 4.

In post 6928, Flavor Leaf wrote:People like to talk about my scum game, but my town game is unmatched. Might not like the way I get there, but you can’t say I don’t go over every option, that I don’t actively try to work with people, that I don’t actively try and consider the fact that I could be wrong at any point during the day.

I’m a heel now, so I can say with the utmost confidence, that my town game is unparalleled.

I'll just tell you something right now, FL. If you have the legitimate skill to prove your words, you wouldn't have to say it at all. People would reach that conclusion by themselves.

There's no player on this site that doesn't have a long way to go to warrant that level of ego, and that is a big reason why I consider Northsidegal and Skitter30 to be the strongest town players on this site.

I understand you need to flail to try to save yourself, but I've seen this from your town games as well and its very unsavory when it happens.

Ankamius · Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:09 pm

Lol show me my slip.

Ankamius · Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:26 pm

Oh, the xshot thing?

Ankamius · Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:22 pm

A MESSAGE FROM EDDIE CANE
---

This post is going to operate by an assumption of a 4-man scumteam. If it turns out there's only three, then that's even better. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. I have reread from roughly pages 85-160 and I really wish this stupid paraphrasing thing wasn't actually a thing so you could read my actual posts (and the tilt at how bad some of them are).

--1-- I've been doing a lot of solving from behind the scenes. I've asked Ank to not post most of the stuff I say in the discord, and I haven't even told her everything either. Generally, this game sucks, but it CAN be solved. Everything I've asked her to post has been to either spew her town or push the game in a direction that will let me sort the game. For example, the game was apathetic, so I pushed her to start 1v1ing Kuribo to get some opinions and pushes in the thread. I point you back to this post with my hard-solve. When I don't have an independent, strong scum read, I choose to solve the game via movement perspective instead. I will discuss my individual reads later on, but for now, note that the top bracket has been found. What I am looking at, most likely, is FL + 1 of {DEB/Gamma} + 1 of {FB/Dave} as the solve. I will discuss this in more detail throughout this post, and I

am

going to try to case my reads to get the thread on the same page.

--2-- Town Case of EspressoPatronum: General townie posts today, plus he has not rolled scum on this site and is posting at a good level. Good reevaluation yesterday and was spewed town by MariaR at several points in their earlier ISO, around page 100 or so IIRC. Not reconsidering this read again.

--3-- Town Case of Almost50: He has several posts that, individually, I believe are way out of his scum range. Generally, he's consistently townie, although bad at some points as well. I asked for team reads in our team PT at one point and he came back pretty quickly with essentially an essay, which is +town points. I had a good discussion with him in the last night phase (with Ank proxying) in real time that is also ++town points. I don't have evidence that he's capable of playing to this level as scum, so I feel good about him being town. If FL flips town, however, this drops from locktown to somewhere between leaning town and strong town.

--4-- Town Case of Kuribo: Albeit not impossible, it's unlikely there's two scum in one neighborhood. I went along with Ank's push on him to see how he reacted, mostly. Scum in situations like this are more likely to back out of the tunnel, like how unwnd unvoted me in the Open game when I walled. Tilted town are more likely to not see how town somebody is being, not TMI that townness, and continue tunneling. I helped Ank project town significantly, and Kuribo not seeing that was actually town indicative. Generally, A50 and nom both looking town is a good look for Kuribo as well. Pushing FL today is also a good look.
--4a-- btw, if you're town, in post game I'd love to talk about how ank using her vote steal power is worse than you randomly roleblocking.

--5-- Town Case of Panthaleon: Albeit not impossible, it's unlikely there's two scum in one neighborhood. Vex Vience's notes are generally out of his scum range based on my knowledge of him. His posting to DeasVail in twilight is also significantly town indicative "44- Maria calls Vex townlock. Complains that I'm not around." is more likely to be a pocket attempt than scum aligning.

--6-- Panthaleon and Kuribo

could

have one more scum within them, but I lean against it. If there are, we aren't looking for said scum today anyways.

--7-- Nomnomnom: I don't regret the nomnomnom lynch. I maintain that it was always the correct lynch; we have confirmed data as well as flipped a contested slot <-- will get to this in my next point. Ank never posted the wall I wrote about why Nom is always the best lynch yesterday because she disagreed with it, so you guys weren't privy to this tidbit, but my main reason for lynching nomnomnom wasn't for her alignment. If she's scum, we kill scum. If she's town, that's really our only shot of hitting scum at 8:4. And lo and behold, nomnomnom did it, good on her! You really think scum would've gotten lynched yesterday? Ank and I both pushed MariaR and there was zero traction. I don't know, maybe if DEB was a scum lynch, maybe we could have gotten a scum lynch? But that's really it.

--8-- NKA is a thing. Scum have been consistently killing the most townread players I believe. However, the Volpe and Chennisden nightkills really should lead to the conclusion that Ank is town; Volpe was literally

sheeping

her, and Chenn's highest townread, I believe, was also her. I'm just saying, anybody who's been scum with me knows I think those would have been the worst kills to make, especially when PR reads aren't a thing. Also, MariaR with an Ank scumpartner doesn't discredit my content by saying it's within my scumrange. Also, imo MariaR was openly buddying with Ank too much for them to be partners, but ymmv with that one.

--9-- I think my content has been townread by anybody who's given a read, with the counter point being about this "being within my scum range." I mean... sure, you can say that to everything. In white flag, I wallposted through Dann and caught some flak for it (even though my Day 1 PoE had all 3 scum in my 5-person list, two of them being my wagon suggestions for him.) Day one is my strongest day and this day ended with an Elements modkill which essentially killed my willpower to read through the day, so I'm not expecting that level. However, I would appreciate those of you, like Kuribo, who don't know me quite as well to keep in mind that I'm one of those players that changes my reads many many times, and I'm really just helping town!Ank try to help town win a game that most people really aren't participating in. Ank wanted to sub out because of how ridiculous the reads on her were. She is way out of her scum range by this point, even ignoring my own posts. I am trying to mediate as much as I can.

--10-- Now, let's talk about mechanics! First, Dave's role: ...who cares? The odds that a 1-shot watcher or 1-shot tracker catch scum are very low, especially since a town!Dave likely used both by now. It isn't a cop check. I honestly couldn't care less about the role, since Davesaz's alignment is a lot more important to sort than the very low chance he is both town

and

guilties scum. Also, his attitude is irritating me.
@EP: that gambit is basically useless, my dude. I appreciate the sentiment though.

--11-- Back to players now! I'm looking at a lynch pool containing GammaGooey, Dr Easy Bake, Flavor Leaf, Firebringer, and Davesaz. This is in no particular order. Davesaz first: I want to highlight what I think is a

very

important quote.

26- Maria wants to block dave, also suggests DV.

What do you think is the most important hood for scum to block? What do you think the odds are that scum randomly selected two townies in what would be an all-town hood? (ANK NOTE: keep in mind that the scumteam outed MY hood night one, a VERY LIKELY all-town hood) I'm struggling to get past this. Also, the DV flashlynch at the end of day three had davesaz at the front of the wagon, with Gamma/FL/Firebringer as the last three slots... a group of three players that almost certainly has scum within it. In addition to this, DEB wanted to hammer it. Scum shouldn't have cared that much, because the alternative lynch was nomnomnom... who we know was town. So that lynch going through so quickly is just skeevy to me. I do think Davesaz is more town than not tonally, but the gamestate points against him are a lot to stomach from town for me. I told A50 I'd respect his townread for now and not push him today, but this is stuff I worry about.

--12-- GammaGooey: town...ish? Still nothing spewing him town outside of his scumrange, and I still want hitogoroshi content to read.

--13-- DEB: idfk lmao. He could be scum, I guess. He had some townish posts from his team, but he's been generally useless. Openly sheeping Ank is weird if scum, bit of a big balls move to talk to her like he has. It makes sense with her pushing on town at the time. He could die.

--14-- Firebringer: I think his scum equity has gone way up. His townread of FL, if he's town, makes the scumteam very very narrow. I think there's at least one of {FL, FB} in every one of my top solve picks. I think him pushing nomnomnom and kuribo and egging Ank on looks worse with Kuribo being probably town and Nomnomnom confirmed town. I don't love him not addressing Kuribo at all today, and don't like RC's solve of "Ank + Flavor Leaf." I've never seen him post this much content in the two times I've seen him.

--15-- Flavor Leaf: If he flips town, then this game is bizarre. I think if this was the case, the team would have to be something like {Fire, DEB, Dave (maaaaybe A50 if DEB is town)(maaaaaybe one more in RB hood)}. I went into night thinking he probably wasn't with MariaR, but I discussed with A50 in the PT who was certain on FL being scum and did some rereading on my own. What I saw was a lot more of what my initial doubt on FL was; he looks like he is trying to tie Ank in with a flip of himself or MariaR. He has a lot of posts that say he can only be scum with Ank, or Ank looks worse with MariaR, etc. I hate those posts. His constant hard-defense of DEB is scummy regardless of what DEB is. I think this flip is optimal because if it flips town, assuming EP is

also

town, then Gamma is probably cleared. If somebody was going to no-kill gambit in this playerlist, it would likely be FL. I don't know, he's done it with me before too (I like evens as scum too btw! They're super scumsided actually, but it's bad here mechanically.)

So... yeah. My PoE is somewhere around {Gamma > Davesaz/Firebringer/FL/DEB}. I don't think a lot of slots have projected theirselves as town very well. Obviously, though, we are in a better spot than yesterday.

Ankamius · Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:26 pm

I hope you fucks are satisfied with that

I wanted to go to bed an hour ago and I spent that time typing up word vomit instead

Ankamius · Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:39 pm

A MESSAGE FROM EDDIE CANE
---

In post 6964, Firebringer wrote:I never really pushed nom. I mean I voted her out of exasperation but saying I pushed out of it.

Also how did I push ank

I meant egged on, as in egging Ank on when she's pushing town, not pushed as in you thought she was scum.

In post 6968, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 6965, Ankamius wrote:I hope you fucks are satisfied with that

I wanted to go to bed an hour ago and I spent that time typing up word vomit instead
It’s solid, but it’s wrong and all goes under the assumption that I’m scum.

There’s absolutely no preparations for going into tomorrow.

I think you're scum, but I think you are. My solve is not based on that.

Ankamius · Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:40 pm

I'm going to bed so you can stew on that

yw

Ankamius · Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:04 am

Its outside RC's downrange to be scumreading me this game.

Ankamius · Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:04 am

Town range.

Ankamius · Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:02 am

I haven't done anything since night 2, I don't expect to do anything tonight either.

Ankamius · Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:16 am

Yup.

RC isn't stupid enough to believe that.

Ankamius · Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:05 am

Thank you.

Ankamius · Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:06 am

VOTE: Dr Easy Bake

Ankamius · Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:08 am

In post 7045, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 7042, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 7039, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 7037, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 6893, kuribo wrote: 26- Maria wants to block dave, also suggests DV.
This adds more strength to the RB/inventor theory. Verrry suspicious that she picked two of the inventors to block.
Pushing me, but saying this implies Dave/Myself as scum.

Which means Dave would have had to be bussing me for a day and a half to start this game.
No, this implies Dave+Maria as scum.

I think you're scum for reasons not attached to the RB/inventor theory.

Which implies Dave, FL, Maria.

This point, doesn’t matter if it’s individual, it’s still there. If you think I’m scum in the same game you think Dave, Maria are scum, by definition, that is you think Fl and Dave are scum scum.

This reasoning is among the most terrible logic I've ever seen.

Ankamius · Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:09 am

By the way, why did you vote DEB?

Ankamius · Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:14 am

In post 7051, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 7048, Ankamius wrote:
In post 7045, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 7042, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 7039, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 7037, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 6893, kuribo wrote: 26- Maria wants to block dave, also suggests DV.
This adds more strength to the RB/inventor theory. Verrry suspicious that she picked two of the inventors to block.
Pushing me, but saying this implies Dave/Myself as scum.

Which means Dave would have had to be bussing me for a day and a half to start this game.
No, this implies Dave+Maria as scum.

I think you're scum for reasons not attached to the RB/inventor theory.

Which implies Dave, FL, Maria.

This point, doesn’t matter if it’s individual, it’s still there. If you think I’m scum in the same game you think Dave, Maria are scum, by definition, that is you think Fl and Dave are scum scum.
This reasoning is among the most terrible logic I've ever seen.

1 + 2 = 3

I’m the 1, they’re the 2. You can’t make 3 without the 2 and the 1.

You straight up can’t say “I think Maria and Dave are the scum team.” “I think Flavor Leaf is scum alongside Maria who has flipped!”

Oh, but Dave and FL aren’t scum together.

Like come on, stop being surface level, it’s not that hard here

Surface level?

You literally just tried to defend yourself by saying that because someone thinks that you are scum and have a partner read on two separate players for a specific instance, that they also necessarily think you are scum for that same instance.

Your response makes exactly zero sense from any other angle.

Ankamius · Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:15 am

This is like that bullshit logic that just because somebody thinks person A is scum, that means they can't disagree with reasons other players have for thinking A is scum.

Ankamius · Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:17 am

That isn't even a response to what I said.

Ankamius · Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:29 pm

Spoiler:

Ankamius · Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:36 pm

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Ankamius · Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:42 pm

Your voting record is legitimately terrible.

Ankamius · Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:43 pm

Like, consistently terrible. All game.

Ankamius · Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:45 pm

Are you hammered?

Ankamius · Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:47 pm

EP, get your last thoughts out.

I don't think this is a troll.

Ankamius · Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:50 pm

What do you think of DEB?

Ankamius · Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:51 pm

Noted. I'll do another think with the team tonight.

Ankamius · Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:54 pm

I'm waiting on the flip and reassessing during the night.

Now, I'm going to sleep. Good night.

Ankamius · Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:55 pm

Eddie loves you, FL.

Ankamius · Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:56 pm

His reads consistently get worse over time and he has a history of being unable to read me. I wouldn't count on it.

Ankamius · Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:59 pm

In post 7130, Firebringer wrote:
In post 7128, Ankamius wrote:His reads consistently get worse over time and he has a history of being unable to read me. I wouldn't count on it.
He was right on Flavor

So was everybody else.

Ankamius · Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:29 am

A50 and I have done more stuff in the hood

we agree on a plan of action but I'm not going to act on it until we get dave's results. I agree that there's no reason to keep his actions hidden any longer.

Ankamius · Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:07 am

My team knows what its doing too, what a coincidence

Ankamius · Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:08 am

Wait, what are we doing?

Ankamius · Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:10 am

Eddie Cane said a lot of naughty words that he wanted me to pass on

I wont paraphrase it too hard, but the gist of it is that nobody cares about your role, davesaz

Ankamius · Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:11 am

In post 7166, Firebringer wrote:Measuring dicks

How big is urs?

Bigger than yours clearly

Ankamius · Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:15 am

In post 7170, Firebringer wrote:
In post 7164, Ankamius wrote:My team knows what its doing too, what a coincidence
Ready for a fight? RC is bringing it.

He says if ur team knew what it was doing Maria and FL wouldn’t have lived for so long

Something something kuribo something something

Ankamius · Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:16 am

Also wasn't I scum yesterday? Where did that go?

Ankamius · Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:21 am

Lolll

Ankamius · Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:21 am

Get fucked fire

Ankamius · Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:58 am

Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwn

Ankamius · Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:00 am

VOTE: DEB

If this is scum, then the game is auto if there's another one after it.

Ankamius · Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:01 am

EC also told me to say over a day ago that Fire is mechanically town because at least one of the commuter and doctor hoods needs to be all town for town to reasonably have a protective

Ankamius · Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:02 am

This game has burnt me out so I really don't want to have to rub too many brain cells together

I don't want to start a fire since they're a bit hard to out out from out here

Ankamius · Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:02 am

To put out

Fuck this phone's autocorrect with a rake

Ankamius · Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:04 am

And thank you to nom for carrying us

Ankamius · Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:07 am

The pool of possible scum is so narrow that its actually very unlikely we lose

Ankamius · Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:59 am

VOTE: DEB

Ankamius · Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:13 am

In post 7234, kuribo wrote:
In post 7232, Ankamius wrote:VOTE: DEB

You almost had me with that one :lol:

love you too kuribo

Ankamius · Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:11 pm

That's what I'm doing

Ankamius · Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:43 pm

Ankamius · Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:09 pm

Why kuribo

Ankamius · Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:12 pm

Ok then

Ankamius · Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:14 pm

I'm just ready for this game to be over

Ankamius · Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:14 pm

In post 7277, panthaleon wrote:Wow that Lynch pool is awful

I figure last scum is in one of Dave, a50, and fb

Why is it awful and why those 3

Ankamius · Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:32 pm

Humhum

I think it's about time for me to try and fail to sleep again

Ankamius · Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:09 am

I already know who I'm voting today

Nothing said today has changed my mind

Ankamius · Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:41 am

This game is like impressively simple at this point.

I'd be extremely shocked if the last scum wasn't in the role blocking hood and somewhat shocked if it wasn't exactly Panth.

One thing I want to double check on is when the scumteam switched tracks to brute force my lynch, because I know I pushed double scum in the RB hood multiple times that same day phase

Ankamius · Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:52 am

In post 7356, kuribo wrote:
In post 7351, Almost50 wrote:OK.. one more "not directly related to panth": FL's slip was about him wanting Maria to vote Ank. Who still thinks Ank is Scum here?

I don't like a lot of Ank's play in this game, but the last day or two (since the maria flip) have been fine

My biggest townreads right now are you and Gamma.

I own up to my bad reads, but the last scum being in your hood still means that I played enough of a critical part in town's victory just by getting too close to the truth that scum were forced into a really awkward position of needing me dead without being able to go full force into it

In this scenario, I'm satisfied enough with my play.

Ankamius · Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:50 am

I might reiterate what I posted in the PT later but the gamestate spews so many people town that I just don't think scum can ever be outside of kuribo and panth with the gamestate making any sense

Ankamius · Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:26 pm

probably waiting on me to go into my own reason for scumreading panth

I've just been lazy

Ankamius · Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:36 pm

I had a bunch of reasoning somewhere in the PT for why I don't think the way the scumteam played out the game makes sense if davesaz is scum; I'm not going to search for it right now but iirc it had to do with the way they played making a lot more sense if they didn't know two of the neighborhods (remember the commuter hood was fully outed D1) than if they didn't only know my/a50's hood. If I need to go into this more, I'll dig up what I said about it in the PT. Reminder that I've strongly believed for a while now that the scumteam played the night game very precisely up until they started dying, and I have seen no evidence of the contrary.

I similarly don't agree with Gamma being an SK, which means that slot is just town because shoving a survivor into a neighborhood with 2 scum is just cruel (especially since the survivor being put into a neighborhood with a 2-shot BP LMS is almost certainly deliberate design).

That's step 1, especially considering that I already strongly believe Almost50 is town just because for him to be scum, he's going a really bizarre path of randomly going into a hard-pocket mode in the neighborhood and making weird kills (including the nokill) when he has a pretty easy path of just removing both his scumpartners, then killing me and using the vig shot to win a pretty easy endgame. Which... again, means he hard bussed both his remaining partners, which really isn't necessary, ESPECIALLY in the FL -> DEB order. It's so wildly out there that I don't see it ever being the path he'd choose for endgame with Skitter+Amrun behind him.

Ankamius · Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:46 pm

Ankamius
davesaz

panthaleon

Gammagooey

kuribo
Firebringer

Almost50

this already is basically auto, but I'll go one step further into why I think it's exactly panth.

Individually, Firebringer is probably town because I find it really hard to believe that a team with players that strategically strong would go that hard on kuribo when my lynch was on the horizon, followed by cannibalizing their entire team when MariaR died into a pretty hopeless situation. That is such sloppy play from scum that I really just don't think it's a strong possibility.

Kuribo's deathtunneling doesn't seem scum-indicative for him, plus his general activity and the way he waited for DEB to do anything before he was lynched. I really don't think that play is particularly useful for scum to make unless there was some kind of play planned for DEB to try to get townread or dismantle his own lynch, and that simply didn't happen.

I don't see similar reasons to townread panthaleon.

There's one more thing I want to go into, which is my gamestate read.

Ankamius · Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:07 pm

what is most important here is what the scumteam were actually doing throughout the game:

1. if you look at what each individual scum were doing, it's already very telling; Flavor Leaf was hugely into the game (1200 FUCKING POSTS level of 'into' the game), while MariaR mostly stayed with a one-track mind of complaining about being misunderstood and just floating while, and DEB just stayed back and kinda... just pushed me a bit but otherwise lurking. This is very indicative of their overall mindset because unless you believe the last scum is exactly me, the scumteam had remarkably low presence in the game outside of Flavor Leaf. This directly shifts their overall strategy towards an all or nothing approach with how much effort they spent trying to keep DEB alive (notice how a lot of the attacks on me calling the DEB wagon town came from FL? how much raw effort went towards keeping nomnomnom alive and FL/MariaR's efforts to get me lynched over her towards the end of the day?). This is important because it also directly means that once this strategy

fails

, namely MariaR being venged, morale on the scumteam would drastically decrease.

2. Flavor Leaf spent a lot of time in the game trying to complicate the game, adding so many possibilities to what could be happening and trying to obfuscate the game as much as possible to prevent solving efforts from being made. This is strongly indicative along with the above because this directly means he has a low confidence in his team being able to win the game if town starts getting their shit together, and is doing everything he can to keep everybody alive since scumflips are exactly what town would need to start gaining momentum. Since this is his strategy, it would be very hard to stop the avalanche when it happens... which is likely why there was so much of an effort to shut me down, since one of the strongest parts of my towngame is to enable and/or build that initial momentum. Also very notable is that when Flavor Leaf hit the point where his lynch was inevitable, his response was to fling so much shit everywhere as he was going down, that it was pretty blatantly panic as he was certain that the scumteam would fall like dominos once he died.

So it's very likely that the scumteam played a very all or nothing game, with Flavor Leaf being the main player keeping the town disorganized and obfuscating the game so that the scumteam could coast. When the plan failed, scum morale dropped and would continue to drop as the scumteam got lynched every single day since. Now, considering this, what has every slot been doing?

1. Almost50 put in more and more effort over time, directly called FL/DEB being scum in the neighborhood in the night phase after MariaR got venged, and really has been the main player in keeping the momentum up. This is extremely different from what scum would be doing. Town.
2. I've slowed down, but this is a more natural shift in this case because I'm not under a constant threat of being lynched at this point. A50 can confirm this, but I've been active enough in the neighborhood and haven't made any plays to try to grab enough towncred from the FL/DEB lynches to try to brute force a solo endgame. It also doesn't make any sense to keep A50 alive, but that's besides the point. Town.
3. Firebringer has maintained roughly the same general motivation and overall tone since before the scumteam started dying. The only real shift is RC-reads, but that's not really a strong case for scum!FB anyways, since RC would've flexed before shit hit the fan anyways. Town.
4. Kuribo has stayed roughly the same too, the only particular exception being that he's calmed down a lot since the 1v1 with me got mostly resolved. If he was scum in this situation, it would've been simple to keep up the angry posting and try to disrupt town further or to try to get himself back into the townblock or at least not a likely scum death. Instead, he's sitting back and staying active without making any real waves. Town.

I'm ignoring Gamma and Dave here because I already think they're probably town, but both have maintained activity and stayed congruent with their play from before. There's no indication at all that the scum deaths have negatively affected them.

But what do you see when you get to Panth?

He's stayed somewhat active before, but his posting drove itself off a cliff after scum started dying. He's done nothing to indicate that the scum deaths have made him want to solve or really have any impact on the game. He has done really nothing but fling things around to see what sticks (even Gamma has been pretty consistent with thinking that Davesaz is the last scum), and hasn't really done anything town.

It's just panth lol

Ankamius · Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:40 pm

In post 7396, panthaleon wrote:My favorite thing is when I flip town and people decide they're going to go after kuribo because one of us has to be scum.

If I'm scum, can you explain my play over the last few days and nights?

my wall responded to this

...anything?

Ankamius · Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:02 am

Yup

I already feel sick

Ankamius · Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:57 am

In post 7441, Ankamius wrote:Yup

I already feel sick

this was a joke

but it turns out I actually am sick

.............................................................

Ankamius · Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:03 am

In post 7409, panthaleon wrote:Because I think it's suspicious that Maria's first instinct was to block his neighborhood! A neighborhood that dishes out investigative powers

I had a bunch of thoughts in the neighborhood that concluded dave is town

idk maybe I'll get them out here

Ankamius · Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:07 am

lmao I'm getting a whole new appreciation for how people read my posts

I can't even understand half this fucking post I wrote about it

wow

Ankamius · Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:32 am

okay

main thing I was against locktowning davesaz for was the action to reveal the vote steal/vig neighborhood night one; it's a lot more 'precise' of a move if scum had every other neighborhood known to them (commuter neighborhood outed + scum in all 4 other neighborhoods). It makes the MOST sense for this play to be made to determine the last power that is unknown to them.

But, the thing that makes it not a particularly strong point is that it's just as easy to justify that same play under the guise of "we don't need to shut off any particular actions, let's find out what one unknown action is and block between the two." Plus it would make sense for scum to want to keep blocking the inventor shots, and the Farkran kill (Farkran being from that inventor neighborhood) when Deasvail was a potential mislynch target does provide some evidence against scum having knowledge of the composition of that neighborhood. It would make a lot more sense to kill from the Vote Steal neighborhood N1 if they knew all the compositions since Chenn/A50 were far too townread to be viable mislynches, and even though I was potentially one myself, they know better than to count on it happening. It's too much of a risk since I'm a bit of a wildcard player; it's more likely that the remaining two from this neighborhood will remain alive, so killing within it and seeing what happens with the inventor neighborhood on day 2 is a much safer play for the strategy they were pulling.

Ankamius · Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:37 am

like

the overall strategy is pretty obvious, they tried to control all of the neighborhood compositions to minimize town's use of the LMS abilities, this is evident by itself from how much effort they took removing people from the neighborhoods with 3 people in them, as well as removing firebringer from the vengeful hood when they did

it's just sloppy play to go about the first couple nights the way they did if they already knew who was in every single neighborhood

Ankamius · Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:43 am

In post 7424, panthaleon wrote:To ank from okapoka whoever that is

They say it's WIFOM but wants you to think through why they wouldn't be coaching me better on how to scum game this

why would you need to be coached against a town like this

we didn't have any cohesion whatsoever until mariar died

Ankamius · Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:48 am

when would you kill kuribo?

you aren't pushing him because that doesn't help you win the game, all that does is buy you a day if it succeeds

when did FL start bussing?

Ankamius · Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:02 am

FL was dead yesterday???

Ankamius · Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:04 am

In post 6633, Flavor Leaf wrote:Gamma

Nomnom

Kuribo

Espresso

DEB

Ank
Firebringer

Davesaz
Almost50

MariaR

Panth

Ankamius · Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:06 am

In post 6744, Flavor Leaf wrote:I think scum have to mislynch one of
DEB
/Gamma or this game’s done for them.
EP
and
I
are pretty much masons at this point,
DEB
is spewed town because of Maria scum, Gamma just got doc’d.

Scum have to keep options open.

hmmmmm yes yes

Ankamius · Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:06 am

In post 7455, panthaleon wrote:
In post 6642, Flavor Leaf wrote:You know what, i don’t care about the team.

I’m gonna stick with A50/Panth Scum/Scum, and then keep individual scum reads.

Please lynch Panth.

In post 6643, Flavor Leaf wrote:A50 has expressed his willingness to vote Panth as well. Call that bluff.

In post 6655, Flavor Leaf wrote:I’d rather y’all just vote Panth.

VOTE: Nomnom
?????????????????????

that's a hell of a bus, he didn't even vote you

Ankamius · Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:09 am

In post 7022, Flavor Leaf wrote:Looks like I’m going down, so I’m gonna give final reads in case I don’t get to post anymore.

Gamma - annoyingly conf town, but doesn’t realize he isn’t if I were scum here. He becomes conf town after I flip.
Firebringer - his defense of me makes zero sense coming from scum

EP
- just weird if he’s scum, it would have to be a masterful scum game by him, and I don’t think it is.

Ankamius - a lot of No u nope discrediting, but I feel like scum were abusing her all game. I also think A50 has much higher scum equity than she does, so I’m leaning A50 over her for her neighborhood.

DEB
- barely played, bad shift, using opportunity to hop onto me with his “always can vote FL” shtick. Bad gimmick.
Panthaleon - hard pushed Nomnom, Maria and Panth were town reading entire hood, but only protecting each other.

Kuribo - Xtoxm should never read me as scum here. Point blank. This is probably scum who was pocketing me throughout, more of a I jumped in their pocket kinda deal. Xtoxm should see I’m town here, as should Skitter on A50’s team, so those are also reasons as to why I think these 2 are scum right now. It also makes sense to fuel the fire between FL vs Ank for days.

Davesaz - refuses to claim because I think it confirms Gamma as town. Him not claiming actively keeps Gamma in the mix, and after everything is done tomorrow, he can lie about what actions he used OR he can claim a guilty, likely fake if he is scum.
Almost50 - misrepped and hard discredited and essentially lied when casing. This was right after I had started to turn on A50, which makes me feel they felt they were going down, and then had a golden opportunity to shift it on me.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Ankamius · Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:12 am

FL does this lukewarm attack on panth going into night 5
he starts day 5 calling Panth/A50/dave scum, then starts going after dave

then he realizes he's fucked and starts flinging shit everywhere

and then he posts 7022 where he postures fucking everybody instead of his scumpartner DEB... and Panth

Ankamius · Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:17 am

you haven't acknowledged any of the points made against you or why we believe your PoE is town

you've been flailing

Ankamius · Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:26 am

the double vote isn't going to help scum!you in this situation, and I don't think the scumteam ever valued it very highly or otherwise kuribo would've been killed a long while back (or my push on him would've been supported more than it was)

the scumteam obviously had no real qualms with fighting each other, considering FL has been doing it endlessly with mariar and DEB all game; it's not exactly hard to fight with someone who's already known to have fought his two known scumpartners and somebody who's doing absolutely fuck all most of the game

A50's theory for why you antagonized nom was to make sure FL didn't get venged, it really wouldn't surprise me if the goal WAS for you to take the shot instead of any other scum if any scum would be shot; as for why scum gave her a vengeshot, who the fuck knows they probably wanted her to stay alive as a distraction and to shoot town when it was finally her time to get lynched. It honestly would make sense for you to antagonize her like that as scum if the plan was to lynch her later since having her be perpetually tilted out of the game both removes her voice and keeps her as a viable distraction for everybody else

killing anyone... who exactly would you even kill?

A50 and me, you'd just give the other a vig shot.
Gamma, just got a bulletproof.
Kuribo, there's enough talk about double scum in the roleblocking neighborhood from past days that you can't just kill him for a useless doublevote
Firebringer, mislynch
Davesaz, mislynch

you actually have no options for kills without either giving town an advantage you can't give them or reducing your own possibilities to save your own skin

Ankamius · Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:28 am

A50 literally called DEB/FL both scum when MariaR flipped in the neighborhood... like IMMEDIATELY during night phase and was very insistent that I followed him on it. I've already gone into why I don't think this is a power play in the thread

FL and MariaR went pretty fucking hard on lynching me when the momentum started pushing back towards nom, plus they spent so much of the game trying to shade and discredit me while MULTIPLE TOWN (kuribo/a50/nom) were blatantly attacking me at the same time, meanwhile I'm flailing trying to get an actual foothold into the game to get anything done. In what fucking universe is this a viable play for a scumteam with THREE KNOWN COMPETENT SCUM IN IT?

Ankamius · Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:29 am

VOTE: panth

I've made my case, cya

Ankamius · Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:30 am

this is a trapped scum mindset

I've gone into a lot of detail into why I think the last scum is exactly him, I've addressed all his points, and his response is 7469

A50 has also done a lot to express why he thinks Panth is scum and why our previous reasons for townreading him were wrong... no response.

he isn't looking to solve the game, he's looking to survive.

Ankamius · Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:31 am

In post 7472, panthaleon wrote:Imagine thinking that scum just decided to stop killing folks.

I miss when mafia was actually good.

In post 7468, Ankamius wrote:killing anyone... who exactly would you even kill?

A50 and me, you'd just give the other a vig shot.
Gamma, just got a bulletproof.
Kuribo, there's enough talk about double scum in the roleblocking neighborhood from past days that you can't just kill him for a useless doublevote
Firebringer, mislynch
Davesaz, mislynch

you actually have no options for kills without either giving town an advantage you can't give them or reducing your own possibilities to save your own skin

Ankamius · Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:33 am

I'm going to bed

Ankamius · Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:35 am

I posted my cases calmly

you never responded to them

Ankamius · Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:40 am

idk what to tell you my dude

if there's a problem with my reasoning for why I'm scumreading you in the several different ways that I am and why I'm townreading every other slot in the game, then address them

I've addressed all of your questions and points that I'm aware of

you didn't do the same, ragevoted me, and are calling me a bad player for a bad case

if you're town, you're really really not showing it

Ankamius · Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:56 pm

In post 7500, panthaleon wrote:Oka wants to know why ank is still alive

Oka also wants a few days to continue speaking through me

because I was a mislynch target and because after that stopped being viable, it would just give a50 a vig shot

Ankamius · Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:27 am

with how long you/a50/ep were up my ass all game, that makes me a pretty obvious mislynch target

Ankamius · Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:34 am

I never said I was an easy mislynch

I said I was a mislynch target

Ankamius · Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:51 am

ummmmm

I calculated it multiple times that same day, the amount of slots that were scumreading or willing to vote me was enough for a lynch for a lot of it

Ankamius · Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:32 pm

Internet's out atm gamma so I'm going to hold on checking in more detail

But that game I kinda just got a really good gamestate read early game so it's not impossible I caught dave for being on the wrong side of the game more than anything he did specifically

Ankamius · Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:35 am

EC has stuff to say:

I don't really give a shit what Ank and Kuribo are talking about. Ank is legitimately cleared because Almost50 spent all of some night (4?) talking about how he was always going to be killing FL or DEB and that they were his top two scumreads by a large margin, and casing them to her... and on top of that, scum!Ank gets a free vig shot by killing her too. And Almost50 has survived both of them dying. That itself is clearing.

Speaking of A50, he and Gamma are townclear level of town, and I'm in awe that Panth is even considering them as scum.

Ankamius · Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:47 am

Paranoia is how scum come back in gamestates like this

Ankamius · Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:57 am

Like

It's all well and good to want to be absolutely sure about something before committing to it and wanting to look at every angle

But this game has a metric fuckton of noise and you don't need to factor in more than little chunks of it in order to get an accurate read

I tend to have "shallow" reads because of this, I just look at what the most AI things are and don't factor in everything else. Why would I need to check someone's associatives with every other slot and look at how they handled every single wagon when I can find 2-3 things that don't make any sense from a scum mindset and double check that against what I know every day?

Truth is, the way this game has gone makes it very evident that the game has been based around tampering with the neighborhoods with night actions and manipulating the players with day play.

That's an entirely reasonable deduction to reach and it says some very fascinating things about this game if you look back to what's been happening this game.

Ankamius · Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:39 pm

I'm honestly fine with that

upon reflection, my townread on dave is the most fragile one and I'm likely making more assumptions to justify that than every other read

shrug

Ankamius · Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:39 pm

it's one of the two

that I would bank the entire game and event on

Ankamius · Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:04 am

Alright cya

Ankamius · Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:32 am

His reads trend downward as the game reaches midgame and endgame so I wouldn't hold out too much hope that he'll find something much more convincing outside of those 2

Ankamius · Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:33 am

Btw kuribo I'm just curious

Did you go into why davesaz at all

Ankamius · Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:41 am

muchas gracias

Ankamius · Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:07 pm

In post 7606, Firebringer wrote:ank, rc says to go fuck off. Your team had terrible reads in his game and u should stop criticizing his mafia ability.

All I'm going to say is that he doesn't actually know what happened in our discord related to that game and he shouldn't assume he does.

Ankamius · Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:17 pm

In post 7623, davesaz wrote:
In post 7608, Firebringer wrote:pretty sure his behavior rn isn't townie or scummie but a child acting out and should be ignored.
I'm 59 years old, and this post is being reported.

Your profile says 58

Ankamius · Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:19 pm

That's definitely very trolly

Ankamius · Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:23 pm

As much as I like trolling in games I don't want to be in anymore, I'd still like to try to upswing my performance this game anyways

Ankamius · Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:26 pm

In post 7631, Firebringer wrote:i don't know if i will ever be able to forgive u.

That's ok

If this was actually true then you wouldn't be acting cuddly all the time anymore

Ankamius · Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:29 pm

I'm proud enough of my own performance this event that honestly I don't think my performance in this specific game matters too much to that end

I mainly want to still try to give the finger to the scumteam messing with me all game tbh

Ankamius · Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:30 pm

If this is evens then threatening a vig shot is more effective than a no lynch

Ankamius · Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:30 pm

In post 7639, Firebringer wrote:ank i don't think scum were that interested in messing with u, i think u mosty did that to urself tbh.

You didn't pay attention to d2 then

Ankamius · Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:34 pm

tbh FL in general likes to mess with me in games as TvA proved so I really wouldn't be surprised if he came into the game wanting to mess with my head for a lot of it

MariaR did this... weird strategy where she handwaved a lot of engagements by being upset I wasn't paying attention to her posts or whatever and did very little outside of that except for complaining about the game

DEB did basically nothing but hard sheep me for half his time in the game

Ankamius · Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:36 pm

I feel like I've been playing this game for a year

Ankamius · Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:37 pm

I'm about to add a 7th page to my ISO

isn't that exciting?

Ankamius · Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:37 pm

you're fired

Ankamius · Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:40 pm

I'm going to end this game with a higher post count than FL and the highest post count of any game I've ever been in

how does that make you feel fire

Ankamius · Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:41 pm

whatever you want

Ankamius · Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:45 pm

you have some interesting kinks there FB

Ankamius · Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:49 pm

go on

Ankamius · Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:51 pm

where's the option to send you back to the manufacturer for repairs?

Ankamius · Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:57 pm

you wish

Ankamius · Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:59 pm

I'm not into older guys soz