Team Mafia 2020: Open Setup - Game Over

[Something_Smart]

No scum can be doubled in a hood. We get a conftown. A lot of scenarios get eliminated.

This happens anyway though, if we force whoever we lynch to out their neighbor before they die.

[Pine]

Well, I’ve already outed myself as a Neighbor, which was a careless mistake, but I won’t be outing my Neighbor. I suggest we table it until at least D2, and at the start of each day ask ourselves, “Do we need an IC today?”

PE: We don’t get to choose who the IC is. It’s the Doctor.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Indecisive Doc is a weak role, and Phone Operator is almost meaningless except to catch obvious lies...which is also pretty meaningless.

A D2 or D3 Innocent Child, however, is very strong.

The only way that can be achieved is obviously if a scum neighbour is lynched.

[Something_Smart]

What’s “F2F” and I don’t understand why the doc has an “indecisive” modifier.

F2F = face-to-face. Presumably doc is indecisive so the phone operator can't claim D1 and be an unkillable IC.

[OkaPoka]

Well, I’ve already outed myself as a Neighbor, which was a careless mistake, but I won’t be outing my Neighbor. I suggest we table it until at least D2, and at the start of each day ask ourselves, “Do we need an IC today?”

PE: We don’t get to choose who the IC is. It’s the Doctor.

if the ic doesnt want to out themselves then we dont out the ic

the question is

does the ic want to out now

not do we need an ic

[NaCl]

Well, I’ve already outed myself as a Neighbor, which was a careless mistake, but I won’t be outing my Neighbor. I suggest we table it until at least D2, and at the start of each day ask ourselves, “Do we need an IC today?”

PE: We don’t get to choose who the IC is. It’s the Doctor.

Wait, why can't it be the Phone operator? Yes, scum can CC, but then we're trading 1 for 1 and if we lynch right the doc can protect the scum's neighbor.

[Titus]

titus did hectic go along with your plan?

Didn't tell him. I felt it was obviously superior.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Well, I’ve already outed myself as a Neighbor, which was a careless mistake, but I won’t be outing my Neighbor. I suggest we table it until at least D2, and at the start of each day ask ourselves, “Do we need an IC today?”

PE: We don’t get to choose who the IC is. It’s the Doctor.

But why the doc and not the phone operator? Because doc can protect them as long as they remain hidden.

[OkaPoka]

the real value of doc is after hitting scum we can protect the confirmed town for a night

[Pine]

It’s an open setup ffs

Read the setup

[Pine]

The Doc is revealed because they’re the only one without a Neighbor. All scum are Neighbors. The Doc is functionally an IC

[Something_Smart]

The Doc is functionally an IC

I mean, so is the phone operator, so long as they claim before LYLO.

[Titus]

Well, I’ve already outed myself as a Neighbor, which was a careless mistake, but I won’t be outing my Neighbor. I suggest we table it until at least D2, and at the start of each day ask ourselves, “Do we need an IC today?”

PE: We don’t get to choose who the IC is. It’s the Doctor.

But why the doc and not the phone operator? Because doc can protect them as long as they remain hidden.

Doc can't heal the same person two nights in a row.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Phone Operator

could be

paired with a Mafia Neighbor.

[Something_Smart]

Although I guess you're using IC differently from me. The IC I'm used to is one that can reveal at any time.

[OkaPoka]

Although I guess you're using IC differently from me. The IC I'm used to is one that can reveal at any time.

and this is the stronger variant

but also

the plan is you claim neighbor if your neighbor is dead or has intent to hammer

[Nancy Drew 39]

The Doc is functionally an IC

I mean, so is the phone operator, so long as they claim before LYLO.

The better one imo and the doc should optimally stay hidden and protect them.

[OkaPoka]

I'm interested in why Pine thinks Titus's plan has any merit whatsoever when S_S literally presented a better plan

[Pine]

The Doc is functionally an IC

I mean, so is the phone operator, so long as they claim before LYLO.

No it isn’t. The Phone Operator can be fake!counterclaimed, the Doc can’t. Any Mafia Neighbor who tries will have their Town Neighbor blow up the claim, and then we have TWO ICs

[Nancy Drew 39]

Well, I’ve already outed myself as a Neighbor, which was a careless mistake, but I won’t be outing my Neighbor. I suggest we table it until at least D2, and at the start of each day ask ourselves, “Do we need an IC today?”

PE: We don’t get to choose who the IC is. It’s the Doctor.

But why the doc and not the phone operator? Because doc can protect them as long as they remain hidden.

Doc can't heal the same person two nights in a row.

Oh, so then they shouldn’t claim but then we can’t keep them safe.

[Something_Smart]

The Phone Operator can be fake!counterclaimed, the Doc can’t.

That's why I said before LYLO, so we have the opportunity to lynch both if there is a counterclaim.

There are few situations where a counterclaim would be optimal, especially since the phone operator has the possibility to confirm themself via their results.

[Pine]

I'm interested in why Pine thinks Titus's plan has any merit whatsoever when S_S literally presented a better plan

Because nuance, OkaPoka. S_S’s plan is where we should start, until we decide we want to blow the setup open.

Titus’s plan is bad for D1, but has merit later in the game

[Pine]

The Phone Operator can be fake!counterclaimed, the Doc can’t.

That's why I said before LYLO, so we have the opportunity to lynch both if there is a counterclaim.

There are few situations where a counterclaim would be optimal, especially since the phone operator has the possibility to confirm themself via their results.

I think you and I are more or less on the same page, just using different words?

[Nancy Drew 39]

The Doc is functionally an IC

I mean, so is the phone operator, so long as they claim before LYLO.

No it isn’t. The Phone Operator can be fake!counterclaimed, the Doc can’t. Any Mafia Neighbor who tries will have their Town Neighbor blow up the claim, and then we have TWO ICs

It said that the operator COULD BE paired with scum, so it also means they could be paired with town.

[OkaPoka]

I'm interested in why Pine thinks Titus's plan has any merit whatsoever when S_S literally presented a better plan

Because nuance, OkaPoka. S_S’s plan is where we should start, until we decide we want to blow the setup open.

Titus’s plan is bad for D1, but has merit later in the game

okay but claiming d2/d3 although still suboptimal is not titus's plan

like i feel like your are giving credit to titus when she deserves none