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[Jingle]

okay jingle do you have a meme response to that

Sure:

Kerset in this thread:

[Jingle]

Rereading what? It would be exactly the same SvT. I mean town!jingle in GNR could notice that menalque was scum in that game once the game is over but town!jingle in this game will be able to use that meta to identify scum!menalque in this game regardless.

Town Jingle was townreading Scum Mena in this game. Town Jingle was townreading Scum Mena in that game. Mena intentionally lurked in this game to prevent me from putting two and two together about the similarities (and did so pretty well actually).

[Jingle]

He does, i asked whenever ofrhz wants to hear about them. Is it big enough for you to see it?

So... Those thoughts are?

I asked you to paraphrase them. You have a text record of them unless you've been cheating by discussing the game outside of approved mediums. You haven't paraphrased them. That's probably because it takes a lot more effort to paraphrase something that doesn't exist and make it make sense contextually.

[Jingle]

I'm taking the delay in posting between my declared guilty as confirmation it IS a guilty.
There's an old saying by DGB.
Paraphrasing a PT conversation takes seconds; fabricating a convincing PT conversation takes an eternity.
And this sure looks like the eternity.
VOTE: Kerset

[Kerset]

Yea i was counterwagon to reundo. Do you want to know who wanted to stop reundo lynch?

You were the counterwagon Reundo didn't jump on that was made 100% of flipped town. So yeah... Scum really wanted to wagon you.

Also to note: I didn't leave the Reundo wagon, I said I was happy JJ was keeping him off of L-1 when you were giving intent to hammer before we had finished discussing. But you can paint that as scummy all you want.

You lie again... you are neither flipped or town.

[Kerset]

He does, i asked whenever ofrhz wants to hear about them. Is it big enough for you to see it?

So... Those thoughts are?

I asked you to paraphrase them. You have a text record of them unless you've been cheating by discussing the game outside of approved mediums. You haven't paraphrased them. That's probably because it takes a lot more effort to paraphrase something that doesn't exist and make it make sense contextually.

I'm taking the delay in posting between my declared guilty as confirmation it IS a guilty.
There's an old saying by DGB.
Paraphrasing a PT conversation takes seconds; fabricating a convincing PT conversation takes an eternity.
And this sure looks like the eternity.
VOTE: Kerset for president lol

There are like 6+ hours between our posts anyway and i have as much time i want to make mine. I can just delay my post by hour, if i want to and nothing will change.
Yet your point is that i didn't post something, because i had no time to do so?

[Kerset]

honestly I think both of your cases against the other are kinda weak

I think that you should post your case on both of us. We are close near repeating here (i think there are only 2 subjects left). Even if you don't want to discuss it with us, it will be important for players reviewing this game.

[Kerset]

Hello RCE?

[Jingle]

You lie again... you are neither flipped or town.

I guess I did lie. The wagon of JJH and Chem did contain an unflipped player. It’s cool how instead of addressing the post you take the opportunity to ignore it entirely and talk about how you can walk off the edge of the world though.

[Jingle]

There are like 6+ hours between our posts anyway and i have as much time i want to make mine. I can just delay my post by hour, if i want to and nothing will change.

This still doesn’t look like a paraphrase. If Farkran had thoughts that he wrote to you, why can’t you share them?

[Jingle]

RCE says he misread and you weren’t attacking me for bringing up the bp, just iioa-ing. Also, RC already made his point about the FN D3.

[Chemist1422]

Kerset can you explain your reasoning for all of your targets again please

fwiw oka is leaning kerset being scum because setup spec

[Chemist1422]

Spoiler:

Votecount 1.06
Shadoweh (4): Kerset, Klick, Bitmap, Jingle Bitmap (2): jjh927, mastina Kerset (1): ofrhz ofrhz (1): hitogoroshi hitogoroshi (1): Alisae Jingle (1): Chemist1422 Gamma Emerald (1): Menalque Not Voting (2): Gamma Emerald, Shadoweh With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline : (expired on 2020-01-16 20:30:00)

Votecount 1.07
Shadoweh (4): Kerset, Klick, Bitmap, Jingle Klick (4): Alisae, Menalque, hitogoroshi, mastina Kerset (1): ofrhz Bitmap (1): jjh927 hitogoroshi (1): Shadoweh Jingle (1): Chemist1422 Not Voting (1): Gamma Emerald With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline : (expired on 2020-01-16 20:30:00)

Votecount 1.09
ofrhz (4): Chemist1422, jjh927, Jingle, Kerset Klick (4): Alisae, Menalque, hitogoroshi, mastina hitogoroshi (2): Shadoweh, Klick Kerset (1): ofrhz Jingle (1): Bitmap Not Voting (1): Gamma Emerald With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline : (expired on 2020-01-16 20:30:00)

Votecount 1.13
hitogoroshi (3): Shadoweh, Klick, ofrhz mastina (3): Jingle, Bitmap, Alisae Bitmap (2): mastina, jjh927 Gamma Emerald (2): Menalque, Chemist1422 ofrhz (1): Kerset Shadoweh (1): hitogoroshi Not Voting (1): Gamma Emerald With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline : (expired on 2020-01-16 20:30:00)

Votecount 1.19
mastina (4): Bitmap, Kerset, Chemist1422, Reundo Kerset (3): jjh927, Jingle, mastina jjh927 (2): Klick, Alisae Reundo (1): Menalque Shadoweh (1): hitogoroshi hitogoroshi (1): Shadoweh Not Voting (1): ofrhz With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline : (expired on 2020-01-16 20:30:00)

Votecount 1.21
Kerset (4): jjh927, Jingle, mastina, Alisae mastina (3): Kerset, Chemist1422, Reundo hitogoroshi (2): Shadoweh, Bitmap jjh927 (1): Klick Reundo (1): Menalque Shadoweh (1): hitogoroshi Not Voting (1): ofrhz With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline : (expired on 2020-01-16 20:30:00) Ann Notes : mastina v/la until 1/13

Votecount 1.23
Reundo (4): Menalque, Alisae, jjh927, Jingle hitogoroshi (2): Shadoweh, Bitmap mastina (2): Kerset, Reundo jjh927 (1): Klick Kerset (1): mastina Shadoweh (1): hitogoroshi Not Voting (2): ofrhz, Chemist1422 With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline : (expired on 2020-01-16 20:30:00) Ann Notes : mastina v/la until 1/13

Votecount 1.24
Reundo (6): Menalque, Alisae, jjh927, Jingle, ofrhz, mastina hitogoroshi (2): Shadoweh, Bitmap mastina (2): Kerset, Reundo jjh927 (1): Klick ofrhz (1): hitogoroshi Not Voting (1): Chemist1422 With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline : (expired on 2020-01-16 20:30:00) Ann Notes : mastina v/la until 1/13

Votecount 1.28
Reundo (7): Menalque, Jingle, ofrhz, Kerset, Klick, Alisae, Chemist1422 (Lynch) Bitmap (3): hitogoroshi, jjh927, mastina ofrhz (1): Reundo hitogoroshi (1): Shadoweh Alisae (1): Bitmap Not Voting (0): None. With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline : Lynch Achieved. Ann Notes : Wooo!

VCA part 1

[Chemist1422]

There’s literally nothing relevant onwards that isn’t kerset voting ofrhz D4

[Chemist1422]

hito’s reads sort of aligned with my own yesterday

Why do you two think I wasn’t killed and hito was?

[Chemist1422]

Reundo voting mastina right as the Kerset wagon gains steam is noted

[Kerset]

There are like 6+ hours between our posts anyway and i have as much time i want to make mine. I can just delay my post by hour, if i want to and nothing will change.

This still doesn’t look like a paraphrase. If Farkran had thoughts that he wrote to you, why can’t you share them?

Your point was that "Notice here that Farkran doesn't have thoughts about mena." and i told that ofrhz just didn't want them when i offered him.
Fark said that played two games with him and he seemed he was too calm and pocketing people way more than he know him to. I don't see how is it going to help us here?

You lie again... you are neither flipped or town.

I guess I did lie. The wagon of JJH and Chem did contain an unflipped player. It’s cool how instead of addressing the post you take the opportunity to ignore it entirely and talk about how you can walk off the edge of the world though.

Do you want me to address the rest of it? To be honest i just mostly repeat my previous post.
You wanted to lynch me and hide in reundo wagon in case he gets lynched.

I can even tell that your next posts will be: no i didn't
and then i will say YES YOU DIDDDDD
and then you will say NOOOOOOO AND GIV ME FARKRAN RECORDS

[Kerset]

Kerset can you explain your reasoning for all of your targets again please

fwiw oka is leaning kerset being scum because setup spec

Jjh was influential and leading mislynch towards townie, so i assumed that he has the highest odds of survival this particular night.
On n2 i just didn't want to be vigkilled, i don't recall any deeper thoughts beside this.
N3 was just random and obligatory, i was mostly curious about chem interaction

[Jingle]

Why do you two think I wasn’t killed and hito was?

Shadoweh argued you scum which made you slightly less conftown than hito and you were more likely to just vote me immediately since you've been wanting my lynch for like 4 days.

[Jingle]

Fark said that played two games with him and he seemed he was too calm and pocketing people way more than he know him to. I don't see how is it going to help us here?

Which games? Which posts are pocketing people?

[Kerset]

hito’s reads sort of aligned with my own yesterday

Why do you two think I wasn’t killed and hito was?

Yesterday hito was constantly evaluating things for my favor. Meantime you told jingle in day 4 that you will rethink everything in lylo. He expected you to be herocaller.

Spoiler:

I’m probably just gonna drop a vote soon because a nolynch is by far the worst situation

yeah it stresses me less feeling better about Kerset. I'll be around tomorrow to talk stuff out but I'll make sure when I go to bed I'm voting whoever you're voting

If you’re worried tho then the other ability I have begins with “a” and ends in “scetic”

If you’re worried tho then the other ability I have begins with “a” and ends in “scetic”

Are you ascetic or an asceticizer or whatever it’s called

El segundo amigo

What was your action last night?

I ascetisised myself, if that’s a word

does this clear kerset in y'all's eyes

y/n

I think it does because of how badly he misunderstands the ascetic situation, and if he gets believed (somehow) and kerset gets outed as commuter/ascetic it's a super bad look for kerset

Gamma thinks it's pretty town indicative for Kerset, yeah. I kinda think we have to be careful putting much intent on menal there - feels like Menal with his head on straight just does the 1-shot vig, then in response to mastina's fullclaim says "Well uhh clearly I was alien'd lmao". The fact that he didn't do that means he was just panicking and not thinking about it, so whatever he did instead shouldn't be interpreted through the lens of optimal play, yeah?

But Gamma also thinks that this post is pretty unlikely to come from scum:

Self-reflections that maybe your side is also wrong in the way other is.

And that's something I'm more inclined to agree with.

Idk I just hate the feeling that Shadoweh/Jingle is kinda sleepwalking but I sure don't feel like chemist or Kerset are mafia so maybe it's fine.

Kerset I think has the most implausible role for scum, and the most clearing D1 behavior, but his behavior D4 was the most scum indicative I think

I think that Kerset working Jingle this hard at this late hour is probably a decent town indicator. .

[Kerset]

Fark said that played two games with him and he seemed he was too calm and pocketing people way more than he know him to. I don't see how is it going to help us here?

Which games? Which posts are pocketing people?

normal 2106 and "his first game"
i didn't ask him for posts there...

[Jingle]

Spoiler:

BTW if reundo doesn't come back in 24 hours i will execute him

VOTE: Kerset

Reundo's not L-1 any more.
I want to lynch Kerset a lot more than I want to lynch Reundo

I'll consider switching my vote back if someone I respect tells me to

The thing where Reundo doesn't have a good reason for scumreading me whatsoever does line up perfectly with Alisae's assessment of his readslist

I think keeping Kers off of hammer at least is useful for the moment, jj.

You mean Reundo and yes that was one of my thoughts

I meant preventing Kers from hammering Reundo, actually, but yeah.

This last page by Kerset seems particularly off, and I'm not sure if it's off enough that I don't want to lynch Reundo anymore but I want to figure it out either way.

I think a Kerset red flip is potentially the best thing that could happen for this game where I'm not sure a Reundo red flip has the same impact. I'm also not sure what either of them flipping green does to my thought processes and I need to consider that.

Maybe Kerset is scum after all

I mean.
It should be pretty damn obvious.
That when the scum make narratives that don't hold up to actual facts.
And take contradictory stances that have no continuous trajectory to them, swapping to different stances to preserve the above (already falling to shambles) narratives.
And make broad sweeping statements that they can't back up with facts when pressed on the subject.

That yeah.
They're scum.

I’d prefer to wait for a claim tbh

But I mean this was the previous post

I’d prefer to wait for a claim tbh

@ofrhz

nsg wants u to unvote

VOTE: Kerset

That post was super weird and feels like shade

In this, the actual progression where Kerset and Reundo are both semi viable wagons:

Reundo is L-1, but discussion is actually still happening. People begin suspecting Kerset. Chem asks for a claim. Kerset declares intent to hammer anyway. Two KNOWN town players vote for Kerset. I remain on Reundo wagon, but tell JJ I support him taking Reundo off of L-1 while we have discussion ongoing.

I'm also scumreading Kerset here, sure, but none of this is Jingle voting you, which is what you claimed. And saying that from my perspective I'm scumreading 2 scum at EoD1 is not really a bad thing. My two preferred lynches were both on scum from my PoV. I stayed on the one that we actually lynched which flipped scum.

You know who else Kerset said was scummy for wanting both the Kerset and Reundo lynches but staying on Reundo D1? Mastina.

[Jingle]

i didn't ask him for posts there...

Please do. Ask him which posts from Mena on D1 came across as buddying in a way that town Mena doesn't buddy.

Because... You never once mentioned pocketing wrt Mena when that was the majority of your case on mastina (she was pocketing jj).

[Jingle]

Jjh was influential and leading mislynch towards townie, so i assumed that he has the highest odds of survival this particular night.

I don't know if you've addressed this, but why wouldn't you target a nullread with the FN instead of someone likely to eat a night kill early, if not N1? I know you said that you wanted to prevent your own lynch (which claiming the pending FN shot would have done anyway, so it's an immediately stupid reason) but why not target in the middle of the pack instead of the universal townreads, even if you thought the universal townread was an unlikely NK based on him suspecting bitmap/you who would have been unconfirmed to townyou at the time. Which I still don't believe.