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IV, Lamb, Dunn and Dann seem pre townie. dunn and IV to a higher degree than the other two i'd say

i kinda went through the first pages in a haze and i might've misread mastina's initial read list but idk how she came to a TL on hopkirk from that first post of his so i thought that was a bit off, unless it was just including the general gist of his early posting and not just that first one.

on a sidenote being referred to in 8 different iterations of the read list as Winter Flakes (Alt of Uncrowned) was kinda funny

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@Hopkirk

I'd say the only person in this plist who'd be able to meta read me correctly is the worst

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ydrasse hasn't commented on the game but will let you know when she does

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im not in a petty mood

yeah you were confbiased af but I've done the same so eh

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hey guys. winter flakes (alt of uncrowned) back at it again after skimming some pages

hercule are you trying to shade me by saying im not obvtowning rn or something? my early game was rigid af last game so I dont get the comparison

as for why im inactive, I've had work the last two days and today I went aquarium to see fishes and frogs and penguins and shit. it was fire.

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dann gives me a lot of warm fuzzies

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oh no no no

sorry I just wanted to join in

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I went aquarium... it was fire.

I'm deeply concerned

pedit: what was that noise

you get what I mean

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lady lamb is town

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no other takes outside of what I've posted

@tw

ladys frustration with Mastina comes off townie to me

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@tw and Dann

nah I think it's more likely to come from town than scum

I think scum would be more inclined to just dismiss it and express a bit of frustration but not go that in depth

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im offended you dont think winter flakes (alt of uncrowned) categorises as a competent scumhunter

sometimes it's better not to tell the truth, you know?

imma go cry now brb

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what are your other takes flakes

I didnt say I have hot takes

my other takes I already said. I think Dann is pretty townie. same with Dunn and IV

Hercule seems a bit showy this game in terms of I guess id say trying to townpost and the approach to me seemed like an attempt to shade even tho my playstyle last early game was also definitely not obvtowny so that was a weird to me

haven't really determined if the "showy" thing is town or scum indicative since I think it can come from either quite easily so ye. id probably say that's a slight early SL of mine overall

most others I've kinda skimmed over

hop seemed a lil pockety from what I remember from my early readthrough

the worst (not the alt of "the best") is playing how i expect town him to so he's a prob town guy but I also don't know if id be capable of scumreading him early game anyway given his style so eh?

a50 was townvibes though I cant remember why

ceph was big meh

idk how i feel about mastina

my takes are ultra bland you'll have to wait for the seasoning my bad

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the worst (not the alt of "the best") is playing how i expect town him to so he's a prob town guy but I also don't know if id be capable of scumreading him early game anyway given his style so eh?

can you expand on this? I'm curious how you got this from what little he's actually done

I liked his progression on me but I think he knows me well enough that it wasn't super alignment indicative

the thing is i actually haven't seen him play scum game, but i've seen him play quite a few town games, so im kinda predisposed to townreading him

but i will say upon rereading that i might actually disagree with my original take (not sure how much to value this given there isn't a whole heap of content from him yet) based on how he's being a little snipey and the whole "i feel like this interaction was not a valuable use of my time" which seems a little uhh... lowkey LAMISTy I guess? more so than what i'd expect from him? like on reevaluation of his ISO after you asked this i'm actually stuck between reading his tone (which is relatively good imo) and his questioning (which seems a bit P E R F O R M A T I V E and not like they're really going anywhere)

yknow what

imma do it

imma hit him with it for the first time i think ever?

i think i SR the duck

VOTE: The Worst

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this is really surface level? how much exp do you have with LLD?

I mean sure you can say that but I've used this several times including last game and I was right. I legitimately think it's >rand town behavior and the rest of LLDs posting supports that imo

I have no experience with LLD prior to this

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@Dann

what dont you like about my TW vote?

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and instead of just saying that maybe explain what you dont like about my thought process on him?

and if you just say you SR me for it because of gamestate but dont SR ceph for doing the same thing I'm just going to assume you two are buds

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not in a sheeping mood

ill read the reasoning on him and the ISOs shortly

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Hercules ISO is pretty townie to me ngl

turns out my initial thought on him was actually a misread on my behalf as well lmao

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I think mafia is just a performative game in general and both alignments perform to an extent

but im not sure you can argue that when you asked me to talk about him? this definitely feels more like a read against my post style moreso than an actual read

and sure but im on my phone so it'll take me a bit

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ok so im just not gonna quote and code to save time bc I despise mobile posting for the most part

so Hercules opening to me is more often than not a slight +town. it feels sincere in the sense that there's a high chance he gets called out on it down the road and elimmed if he ends up playing similarly to the scum meta he laid out. Along with this, I do find it reasonable to assume hes being truthful that he's not the type of player comfortable with outing his meta and then being forced to change it drastically for an entire game.

if you want to ignore the opening and consider is NAI that's fine. But later on when we get to his engagement with LLD, I do see someone who is attempting a good faith engagement with a slot that seems tunnelled on them. Like he almost seems in disbelief that he's being approached in this way and that people are going along with the wagon.

he doesnt seem desperate to defend himself, but instead more just annoyed at the fact he's being engaged in a manner where he can't "get a word in" so to speak.

couple that with him having a lot of instances of what I'd classify as "stream of consciousness" posting and I'd say im relatively confident he's town this game

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Like you were showing off your thought process rather than actually having a thought process.

so how do you differentiate between these two? I think it's hard to make that call off of one post without the context of a grander trajectory over the course of a game

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also it's just a bad vote in like I don't know what you hope to accomplish with it

interesting that my off main wagon votes are bad to you this game, but you didnt mention them at all last game when I was off main wagons for 99.5% of the game? unless you did comment on it and im forgetting?

but I mean I was planning on potentially getting a wagon going but since he's gonna be gone it'll be more worthwhile to move it.

not going to lld or hercule tho

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oh I was referring to dann saying my post was fabricated or performs time

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He has me as scum, so why is he trying to convince me he's town? what is the point of that operation?

this is a good point and im interested in what Hercules response to this would be

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@lld no I see your point and I hadn't factored in that Hercule was voting you back which yeah implies he thinks you're scummy

I do think there's a genuine aspect of frustration at the way you're approaching him but when considering that he's counter voting you, I do think it lessens the towniness of that.

I think the dismantling the wagon point is also a decent one as I got that vibe when Hercule reached out to Ceph I think it was saying it was bad to follow your. It takes away from some of that "lack of survivalism" i was citing in my defense of him

I still hesitate to change the read because I do sort of get a fluid vibe from him where his real time interactions come off quite strongly to me?
do you think this is just a by-product of his posting style or do you think even tonally he reads scummy?

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I need to go compare his posting tone from this game to last to see if I just think his post style in general reads as townie to me to see if im just biasing myself into a townlean

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^ i think that depends on if Mastina is actually straight out SRing dann for making those posts or if its just a case of "this can come from dann as either alignment"

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oh she is SRing him hmm ok

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a50 townie

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that's fair

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WF I know you asked why I'm picking at you this game when I didn't last game, and the fact is I did scum read you last game, my attention was just on more important targets.

that's not what i'm accusing you of though. it's more the specific thing you're picking at me for

from what i recall toward the end of the last game, you were coming around to me being town, no?

during that entire time i had not voted on a single of the what, 4 or 5 main wagons that arose during the game? outside of being on I think AGar for a couple hours, possibly.

like sure you could've just missed it or not thought about it last game but i think it's just weird when the thing you were calling scummy by me in this game was something i was doing like... 100x as much of in the last game we just played. idk seems weird my guy

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Winter Flakes too!

im curious about this considering im kinda hard TRing the person you think is scum atm

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im generally confused at how quickly this herc wagon has grown, when i dont feel its warranted, so ive been tinfoil wondering if scum are like coordinating their votes on here (like, 3 scum votes on the wagon) - this would explain the wagon speed

is a fast wagon necessarily scum indicative or town indicative in general or it is something about the way this one has progressed spefically that you don't like?

why don't you feel it's warranted

this feels like an odd take considering we had quite a few fast wagons last game on slots that had done less than hercule has done at this point, unless you think he's displayed a lot of towniness to this point or if you made a similar assessment of some of the wagons last game that i'm not aware of?

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on a sidenote this timezone sucks

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can you explain the hard TR on him outside of his opening post?

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ceph/dann

what's the case on hopkirk

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@IV

I did read a bit of last game to assess Hercule's tone and I do think he just has a tone that I naturally lean toward calling town.

I'm pretty sure he's town though and Infinity has faith in Mastina's read on him as well and I do think her case on his behaviour being altered here is pretty valid (the point about his reaction to being heavily SR in this game compared to last was good imo)

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@Hopkirk

would you say as scum that your tendency to get frustrated/annoyed and post about it in game is the same as when you're town?

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DGB do you think you're more confident in your reads this game than you usually are? Or is this a norm for you?

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So you think everyone on wagon right now is town?

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Hey TW how do you feel that I'm voting you

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hopkirk can you run me by you reasons for voting LLD quickly?

i skimmed your ISO but... i'm not really seeing any specifics about why you don't like her? It's all kinda vague?

The more recent vote on her felt better but was also more based on Dann/Ceph's behavior rather than her own? i don't really get voting her on that because it's assuming those 3 are teamed which feels like a bad hole to fall into

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@Oka

I've kept up with the game pretty well for the most part

Lack of engagement is mostly down to the fact that I do most of my reading after midnight because ya boy been having some pretty busy days

also the whole lld/herc thing has been t/t to me and i still haven't really figured out how i feel about dgb yet

i like mastina's PoE for the most part

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where are you at on ceph / dann / dgb / hopkirk

these are the slots i'm mostly unsure about although i'd say i'm more confident in dann as town than the rest

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lemme take a look at dgbs buddying last game and see how it differs from this game

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ythan a50 titus have had almost no game presence to me so i haven't taken much notice of them

i did recently ISO ythan and thought the vibes kinda had similarity to last game from what i remember in a tonal sense. like super blunt. but i also didnt like the hopping from main wagon to main wagon but that's kinda surface level and not really AI until we get flips i think

the other two though i legitimately have zero recollection of lmao i'll need to reread

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i will say about TW is i would've expected him to take the initiative on interacting with me given i was voting him and i feel like town!him would've had his interest piqued by me having a vote on him

i legitimately think it's >rand scum that he didn't acknowledge it

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also i'm already seeing some instances of DGB in the last game trying to get votes from other people on people he wanted elimmed? it is a bit more extreme this game but that could just be a byproduct of the confidence DGB claimed it had in terms of read strength this game? you think that's plausible or nah?

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not that in particular

more the fact that he didn't bring it up at all given our history

like not even making a joke about it

it could also just be being busy yeah but i was expecting *something*

especially considering the votes have been on him for like... 4+ days now and haven't been moved

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the above was @IV

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idk don't you think it's living on the edge a bit for scum!DGB to push this so hard. a green flip here looks terrible for it

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unless DGB is known to be super aggressive as scum?

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ooo yeah

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Hey Dann

You said my vote on TW was bad ages ago

Not much has changed outside of the fact he's back from VLA now and you're voting him

what's up with that

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do the rest of your team have any thoughts about me. like uh... had Ydrasse been talking about me in your team pt ?
does Kanna have any reads in general of this game/is she reading it?

only infinity has been reading. I think kanna might be trying to catch up but idk where she's at with that

infinity thinks you're town

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oops

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And if people want me to agree to die if Mastina is town, I'll do that.

Hell, if we can get 10 people in this game who will agree to kill mastina after I'm dead if I flip town, I'll do that too.

I'm down for any outcome that results in both Mastina and I dead, though obviously I prefer the one where we kill her and she flips scum and I get shot by scum tonight.

@Mastina

Do you really think this is a scum bluff? I just find it too hard to believe it is

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haven't looked into this too heavily but i also think that agar has been similar this game from the portions i remember

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what's the basis for the ythan wagon? i'm getting v similar vibes from last game from him

tbh it seems like a bit of a bail out wagon imo

i started suspecting him toward the end of the original game and i don't think he's diverged too far off of that this game which leads me to believe its TI

infinity agrees with this and doesnt think ythans play here would make sense for scum

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And your suggestion would be?

infinity likes titus wagon so that's who im gonna read on next

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Alt of Uncrowned

you forgot the brackets

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like so many people have said this

about so many slots in the game

and it feels so surface level

i mean yeah it is but like from my perspective it seems about as surface level as the wagon itself

like just judging from an ISO skim and my general thoughts on the slot from what i recall, i don't really think there's been anything wagon worthy especially with the context of the last game and his alignment/play in that one

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yeah i read him as terse and grumpy last time and i don't this time

i can be a lil moody ):

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I am here

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what are the options? lld dgb and ythan?

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I dont really like either of those options but if lld green flips we get more info I think is she at L-1?

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I popped back in because Infinity pinged me on discord after Oka asked him to?

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feels like you're taking that a bit out of context

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tbh i think i would've preferred titus wagon to either of these

VOTE: DGB

willing to switch to titus if that becomes a possibility

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after a skim from d2 start to like page 134 or 135 a50 seems really off to me

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also as for not voting lld I just thought she was more likely to green flip than dgb was even though I didn't really think dgb was scummy either. just more likely to flip red (even if odds were still low)

bell/titus/a50/any less active slot (yes including me) would've been better wagons for finding red than those two imo

though I do think lld flipping green does give us info though ill need to determine what that info is exactly

like what is mastina thinking rn after how that played out

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also something pinging me awfully about a50 is they were talking about how last game they kinda just defaulted to a bad read on me and that I ended up obvtowning when they were scum but now this game apparently im a TR or at least a townlean even though I don't think ive done an awful lot deserving of one recently? seems like a slip up and mirrors what happened last game to an extent imo

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wait fuck that was oka wasn't it?

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disregard that whole point i think that was oka not a50

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pretty sure IV is town here

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thinking about this its literally not applicable to anyone?

i am almost 100% sure someone either at the start of this game or at the end of last game made a comment about how they had no reason to SR me but continued to do so because they were scum and didn't have a natural way of transitioning to a TR on me so they just kept a lazy SR on me

was it not you?

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false alarm it was hercule

that took me a while to figure out

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VOTE: luca
the spirit of dann flows through me

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ythan wagon is really meh like to me it just seems like policy based on personality which i don't really like. don't think it has a good chance of flipping red either imo

jjh i'm more willing to vote but i wanna go here first

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I actually feel like the LLD elimination on D1 was the best possible elimination there that we could get. Titus was better because Titus is legit not even bothering to hide that this is her scumgame, but I'm not sure we could've gotten her.

this is a weird take i think? wasn't titus a wagon that had like 5 or 6 votes on it at one point?

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In fact, the response to the worst's wagon is the LLD wagon shrinking rather than growing. Another sign that Bell may not be scum.

can you explain why this is a sign bell might not be scum? i don't think i'm following the logic

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also it's a bit hard to give credence to the whole "people who called it a TvT" thing are far more likely to be town than scum when it's just from your viewpoint that the people who didn't call it TvT are town, given you were also very certain on LLD being scum, no?

unless your reason for hard TRing those people is primarily because of the fact that they took stances on the two slots?

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mistyped

meant to say "people who said it wasn't a TvT"

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VOTE: luca
the spirit of dann flows through me

This also continues to be fine

do you TR me? o.o

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a50 when did you start TRing me? from what i remember you didnt like me for the majority of the game

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Ask yourself: when it is a TvT fight, what do scum get from hard-defending one while hard-pushing the other? They don't get anything; regardless, they come out as discredited because while they were half-right, they were so strongly half-wrong that they lose a lot of their power/authority on future days when it is revealed as TvT.

this is true but i'd also argue that people who correctly identified it as TvT aren't going to get much credit either because that could play into them being perceived as having an informed viewpoint, no?

in a vacuum i guess i would agree it's >rand scum to an extent although i'm not sure how much

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so you just have no idea why?

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tasty

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ceph is probably good boi based on putting herc to 7 in the early game in my mind

winter flakes (alt of uncrowned) has spoken

there's probably more shit to look at there but i'm in zoom class smh

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i like titus for bringing up hop as FoS

i liked Hop early game but been feeling progressively worse as game has gone on and i had a similar thought based on early wagon positioning

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when scum is mastina like a powerwolfy kind of style?

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jesus that was a bad sentence lmao

when mastina is scum*

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because given the confidence lld had on scum!mastina and these reads and the hard defense of herc which kinda looks like a chainsaw now i think voting there is a good play

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VOTE: mastina

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osht worldstar worldstar

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i mean from her perspective she's confirmed alignment so that's why her vote isn't there

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i'm wounded

i follow the spirit of dann/lld and this is what i get

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idk to me it doesn't achieve much but i think it's in line with mastina's general playstyle from what we've seen these last couple games

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sorry uni has started again so I've been really under the pump between that and work ):

will try catch up soon

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I really want to at least force winter flakes alt of uncrowned to play mafia today and I would appreciate some help forcing content out of them.

what would you like from me

i know i've really dropped the ball this game especially but circumstances are a little iffy at the moment

is this your main reason for voting me?

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saw this from the quotes above. why didn't you mention me when you thought i got worse? you said your team liked me and you didn't really have thoughts then seem to be disliking me now that other people are...

to be fair if this is going by ISO then my ISO is small af and doesn't reallly represent how long this game has been going for lmao

but yeah i haven't divulged my thoughts much but the rundown was that from my recent games with you you were a bit more at the forefront of things and pushing whereas there were some points in this game that you fell off in a way i didn't really expect you to?

it's a bit flimsy and more of a vibe thing than like a *hard accuse* if you get me

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VOTE: jjh
pretty sure this is scum

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i think ceph's vote on me was more genuine than jjh's which just appears like an attempt to be doing/be involved in something.

also my headcanon is that based on ceph being scum last game he'd probs be at least somewhat aware that town!flakes getting voted increases the chances i get active/increases chances of me obvtowning and i don't think if he were scum he'd be looking to get me involved on D3 when i could be saved as an easier elim later down the road

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the one and only time wf mentioned luca on d2 was in the vote he cast.
no pushing of luca, at any point, just voting.
sheeping the the dead is one thing, but there are literally no opinions of his own to go with it.

this is true but why is this more likely to come from scum than town lol

do i really stick a vote on my scum buddy when he's on 0 votes and just ride it out till he's elimmed? i mean possibly if i feel there's no easy way of unvoting without being sussed but dann had other suspicions i could've gone for like bell i believe

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showed lack of care about result at eod1, scum indicative due to the wagons being tvt

also true because i expressed on numerous occassions i thought both were town

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im not here to argue fundamental mech with you
eat a yeet and if you flip town go back to the newbie queue

VOTE: agar

also why switch from me to agar here after casing me? the vote on agar seems shallow in comparison to your thoughts on me

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I have decided to do grace you with a readslist but in a new format because I have decided that henceforth I will be either chumreading, ummreading, or scumreading people. I believe this system is self explanatory.

Chums

mastina
Xtoxm
Okapoka
Dannflor
hercule
DrippingGoofball
Winter flakes
InnocentVillager
Hopkirk
Almost50

Umms

Titus
LLD
Cephrir
Ythan

Scums

the worst
AGar
Dunnstral

Disclaimer: The categories of this readslist do not represent a level of confidence on any of these reads. Reads are not ordered by confidence. This is not actually a hard commitment to the CUS system because future me might decide it's stupid.

so jjh would you like to pretend to have any form of trajectory at all and give us some insight on what changed from here onward? because you dont bring me up in any meaningful way after this until i get voted by other people and you all of a sudden find me to be the most likely scum flip

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like this definitely just reads as a vote/push of convenience for jjh rather than anything with actual substance behind it

i was of zero interest to jjh prior to getting voted by ceph or xtoxm (can't remember who specifically) said i'd be a good person to push on and now out of nowhere i'm the top suspect and best chance of a red flip.

also xtoxm interested as to why you found it so terrible that i "sheeped" a dead person (which btw ended up being the first vote on a wagon that elimmed scum) but you're not giving jjh any flak for sheeping when his literal only mention of me in his ISO was that i'm town? lmao

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so are we still gonna ignore that jjh is basically refusing to even acknowledge anything i'm saying about him and is still even yet to give the smallest reason for voting me other than "o yea lol someone else did it"

this is scum

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IV is GOATed

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dann went down suspecting titus. dunn went down targeting jjh.

hey don't sheep the dead or you'll get SR

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and im worried im 5th impostering again

IS THIS A SCUMSLIP HOW WOULD YOU KNOW YOURE THE "5th" impostor

xtoxm sus

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@mastina

since you're TRing jjh so hard

want to explain why he's voting me? look through the ISO and give one reason outside of a weak ass sheep of another slot that he's still voting even after i've tried to engage with him about the vote that he's still refusing to acknowledge

is that common behavior for town!jjh?

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It doesn't feel like a sheep when I'm the only one voting you

Your initial vote on me was 100% a sheep. You hadn't brought me up at all as a potential SR until other people had voted me.

Okapoka is the only other wagon up at the moment that I would consider and my feelings aren't very strong there

Granted, I don't scumread you very hard, but I do scumread you the hardest

Okay, that's fine. But *why* do you scumread me the hardest? You're still yet to provide any reason as to why you do. This just doesn't seem like a genuine read at all.

If I was just sheeping wouldn't I have moved my vote

...because I literally called you out on sheeping and that you're just trying to look as though you're doing something, so it would've looked awkward for you to unvote me, especially as you yourself have just stated you don't really have any strong feelings elsewhere? There's plenty of reasons why you'd stay voting me.

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@mastina

since you're TRing jjh so hard

want to explain why he's voting me? look through the ISO and give one reason outside of a weak ass sheep of another slot that he's still voting even after i've tried to engage with him about the vote that he's still refusing to acknowledge

is that common behavior for town!jjh?

Mastina

please answer

is jjh a lazy town player or something? because it's either that or he's just flat out scum this game

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you're familiar with his town game right? does he usually make zero trajectory scum reads? because that's my main issue with him right now

the question is more so why he doesn't have any reason to be SRing me rather than what reasons he does have, because there don't seem to be any atm other than convenience

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I posit an alternative.
Given Mastina's current reads and positions now is probably a good time to eliminate her.
She's never getting night killed and she's going to end up in elo. As either alignment she is going to vote incorrectly and lose us the game.

this is kinda yuck

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bell is ok

Jjh is better

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do any of the people voting someone other than (Bell/Agar) or mastina want to talk more about that because the Bell wagon is the same people as the agar wagon and it feels like nothing's moved in ages

ive said my piece on jjh and there's a chance this is just bias but i'm pretty shocked more people aren't SRing that slot. i see no townie behavior there at all

like unless this is just super lazy town who is unwilling to engage with their SR (which seems super unlikely because jjh said himself that i'm like a really weak SR which in of itself on day 3 is weird imo especially because he's just staying on me) then i just don't see this being town at all

bell/titus are the only other reasonable elims today imo with bell having a decent shot at flipping red while jjh is much higher imo, titus being least likely of the 3 i'd say

agar wagon was bad

mastina wagon is bad

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where did you say your piece?

if you checked my iso you'll see most of my recent posts have centred around jjh but it's kind of hard to keep talking about someone who is legit avoiding interacting with you at all costs so...?

i did an iso search and you haven't mentioned any thoughts on agar before this or even offered a read as far as i can tell and that's super weird. why is he town

i dont think i've given an explicit read on agar yes but i'm pretty sure i've said at least a couple times that i don't like the wagon tbh it just felt like an attempt at a bail out elim or some shit like im 90% sure it's just based on his style which fmpov is similar to last game and i made similar assessments of dunn/dgb and they're both green so im relatively confident in agar town

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i have a fear that mastina is town with a townread on scum

yes. big yes. this is also why i think jjh has gone practically silent on actually engaging me or providing even a slight reason for SRing me outside of mastina's explanation of PoE lmao

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jjh didn't join it or anything, who else do you think is scum and scum pushing it?

so how similar is his style to lastgame that it's meant you haven't had any thoughts on the arguments against him that aren't related to playstyle? he doesn't feel overly similar to me and 'meta' with no elaboration doesn't sway me

by bail out i don't necessarily mean scummy, more just lazy and bad

i think titus is most likely to be scum on it followed by you although you're more of a net neutral this game than anything

my read on agar is basically tonal and i haven't been active enough to really remember any arguments against him but ill check your ISO about agar since i know you've been on him for a while

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a lot of your stuff on agar just seems to be borderline omgus tbh

like i kind of see where you're coming from with the approach/engagement toward you being shady but like at least there's actual engagement there *cough*jjhstopleavingmeonread*cough*

i guess your approach to the slot is a little +town for you in the sense that your focus on the slot seems similar to what i'd do as a townie who isn't like... at the center of the game if you get what i mean. idk. the case just isn't all that compelling to me

especially when there's obvscum who is hiding behind what i assume to be a townie who has incorrectly towncased them lmao

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one of titus/bell is also probably scum which i think im even more sure of now given bell's posting about titus on the last page

i am willing to compromise on bell but i think jjh/titus are more likely red flips tbh

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VOTE: Titus

bell is townier than this slot

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so fun news i hurt my knee playing basketball so theoretically that should give me more time to play but it has also pissed me off and made me not want to do anything except lay in bed so uhh... i guess we'll see what happens from here?

as for the game... my bad jjh lmao i now see why i wasn't being interacted with

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infinity said bell was being townie toward end when they were being wagoned and I kinda agreed whereas Titus didn't really seem like a townie presence over the course of the game

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I posit an alternative.
Given Mastina's current reads and positions now is probably a good time to eliminate her.
She's never getting night killed and she's going to end up in elo. As either alignment she is going to vote incorrectly and lose us the game.

this is kinda yuck

townie as in this?

no that was +scum

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elim me and then agar and it's probably ggs

i'm really sorry for my lackluster performance i just havne't had the motivation in between other stuff going on irl

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lowkey not sure it's agar based solely on the fact that he's picked hop to push instead of me lmao

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I assume it's Ceph? Infinity thinks the same.

VOTE: Ceph

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@WF- when/why did infinity lean towards ceph?

he said he always had ceph as a lower TR in comparison to other slots so it's pretty much PoE

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You changed your tune rather suddenly, didnt you.

ya

so why aren't you sure it's me anymore?

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are anyone's teammates reading the game besides infinity? i could use some more town aligned perspectives i am drowning and i need your help

ayyy how'd he know infinity got that town perspective though

easy game squad

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can someone push me already

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what's your scum play look like WF(aAoU)?

erm i only have one scum game since coming back from my break and i was rather aggressive

i don't think it strays too terribly away from my towngames when i'm more active but i obviously played to a bit more of an agenda

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was pretty aggressive this game and attempted to push agendas (tried to get on kanna and harley's good sides as they were both highly TRed individuals who i thought i could swing vote) while at the beginning trying to discredit people i thought were threats (ranny, mikan, gamma)

my only other scum game outside of jokey ones was my first ever game on site which isnt' an accurate representation of me at all anymore

if im being honest though this is my low effort town game and while i don't know what my low effort scum game looks like... it would probably resemble this to an extent

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'this is the first time i've ever SRing the Worst'. it doesn't really go anywhere though? what was your progression like here?

im pretty sure i just lost interest in the slot because he was inactive and he wasn't generating much interest from anyone else either so i moved onto other things

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what was your progression towards scum!luca? you had town on them before and i can't see anything about how you got there outside of sheeping dead people - was it just that?

i had a pretty strong TR on dann before he died and he seemed capable and i definitely thought his death was scum motivated so yeah that was mostly it

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most of your iso just gave me null vibes tbh & idk if the current 'game should end soon, sorry' is scum or town indicative. i skimmed a lot of posts that felt completely NAI. pls tell me hectic has great meta tells on you?

hectic has had some brief experience with me i believe? i don't think it'd be extensive enough to get great meta on me because one was a trust fall game where i was joking around the whole time (was town) and the other one was assassin's in the palace where again i was joking around for most of it (was scum) but that one was more jokey in nature

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why did you decide it was agar here after disliking the wagon on agar before - assuming the Oka flip? were you talking to infinity around this point/what were they thinking?

yup so i didn't really like the agar wagon at all and i felt most people were just SRing him on a tonal basis but after the oka flip i thought there was a decent chance those two were partnered which swayed my view somewhat plus my other suspect was titus but as has been mentioned she has been a counterwagon multiple times to scum

i SR titus more than agar by a large margin until the oka flip which turned it round

now im at ceph > titus

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inf didnt have a whole lot to say about agar but he was townreading him like... at the start of this month

most of infinity's recent stuff was directed at my push on jjh which he thought was more of a case of less active town than scum which turned out to be right lol

currently he thinks ceph is last scum

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what are your thoughts on titus- more detaily thoughts i mean
have Ydrasse/Kanna been reading?

i feel like titus hasn't been playing to as much of an agenda as ceph has especially in day 5. there's a PoE there and while she doesn't really delve too deeply into the reasoning behind it (which i think in earlier days would probably be more +scum) i think since we're in a later phase of the game it's more town indicative? i feel like scum would try to take more control of the narrative i suppose?

i guess what im trying to say is i don't think scum!titus would approach the game in this way. like it doesn't *really* make all that much sense for her to take a backseat here because unless some major paranoia plays happen i don't think she's outlasting any of the other slots in the game in a hypothetical situation where i am elimmed today, you get me?

maybe the reasoning is smooth brain af but idk. it's certainly possible she is scum sure but i think to a lesser degree than cephy who i think has approached the last couple days in a more calculated manner

plus as mentioned she was CW to scum so that helps

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Ooo I just started HxH the other day. Hope it's gooooood. If 50 eps in a weekend is any indication I'm assuming it will be

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is that *sniff sniff*

fake frustration i smell

just kidding my sense of smell is terrible

unless... *eye emojis toward ceph*

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wait yeah this is kinda facts

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plus ceph was on that luca/bell ass more convincingly than titus ever was

you already know what time it is

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VOTE: Titus

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I'm salty?

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That's a weird take.

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I sense amazing saltiness factor from Cephrir but it feels like legit salt while WF doesn't.

This end bit just doesn't make sense and seems like a fabricated reason to vote me. Let's yeet this slot and win, squad.

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@WF (aAoU)- how are the rest of your team currently leaning? looking at the vote switch from Ceph to Titus

up to episode 109 of HxH. Flopz overhyped it but it's still good

the last message from my team was from inf on the 25th saying that he thinks ceph is last scum and that he's always TR him less solidly than the other remaining slots, so I assume that still holds true considering there hasn't been a huge change in posting from either ceph or titus since then

im still leaning titus

im up to ep 22 or 23 or something i really thought i wasn't gonna like it after the first like 5 or so eps but i'm starting to come around. still not seeing the "greatest shounen of all time" quality that seems to get thrown around a lol but eh

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i am fine with being elimmed

my GTH is titus if it's worth anything

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That post makes me lean back towards Cephrir

i just don't get this

one minute im trying to take advantage of your ceph paranoia and now you're leaning ceph?

i just don't understand your viewpoint on me and i think it's fabricated