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I read the first half of the game quite closely, but have skimmed most of it since then tbh.In post 2198, Dunnstral wrote:
I'm not sure what we needed from you was to read theIn post 2193, Luca Blight wrote:I’m up to page 61. I’ll try and finish my catch-up today.entiregame but it's commendable
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I'm well aware, thanks.In post 2266, AGar wrote:
This is underwhelming.In post 2244, Luca Blight wrote:I still think all of Goofball, Mastina and Dannflor are Town. I don't have much else right now tbh. I'll start Iso'ing the people being wagoned.
It takes me a while to get a feel for games that I replace into, and no-one this game stands out as being particularly scummy. It's going to take more than a skim-through to solidify my reads.-
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Just going through your ISO now and I'll quote a few bits that stand out.
This, and the posts prior where you seemed to be defending my slot, but which culminates with fence-sitting felt a little performative (a new word I learned). It's exactly the sort of thing I could see scum doing to look good/productive while not really committing themselves or doing anything significant.In post 353, innocentvillager wrote:the more i read the more im thinking im the idiot here for not grasping what you are saying and that we might be talking past each other on hercule's 1st post
I've read hercule's 2nd post and I don't get the "fucking awful" vibes that you are getting from it. He probably didn't prewrite the 2nd post so that's why it seems improvisational and I think it's fine if it references his voice reaction from 12h ago or whatever?
idk, im pretty mixed on hercule especially now that everyone is shading them but it's not like, unexpected shade to me given his posting style i guess-
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And here you vote my slot while seeming to say you think it's more likely it's Town, but it'sIn post 362, innocentvillager wrote:VOTE: hercule fair
see, i kind of don't think hercule does like the exact same shit he did in the first game (immediate lamisty self-arguments and suggestions for why he should be conftown) but with a slightly different tone unless he's thinking on like level 3? but maybe he just is like, thinking on level 3 here
fwiw i think lld and mastina are my top townleanspossiblemy slot could be scum?
It's as though you've allowed yourself to be talked into the vote, in order to look as though you're being fair and open minded about it.-
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This vote seems opportunistic to me, given the wagon on tw at the time and that you had barely mentioned his slot before this.
In post 2103, innocentvillager wrote:In post 2050, implosion wrote:the worst has requested replacement; searching for a replacement.
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Although you soon jump back off, which redeems it a bit I guess.
I still don't really understand the purpose of tw vote.
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So yeah, to sum up: IV seems Townie based on tone for the most part. His interactions feel natural, but I can't really point to anything content-wise that strikes me as particularly Townie, and there are a few scummy bits in there. Some of it could be down to play style, as he seems to be a naturally cautious player.
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I don't think Lamb's early pressure on my slot is that bad. I can understand why she didn't like Hercule's second post.
I find it strange how quick she is to read Mastina as 'bad town' rather than possible scum here. The whole BoP offer is a bit performative, as she must have realised that would never be agreed to.In post 576, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Honestly can I ever play a game with Mastina where she doesn't scum read me?
Look, you want to kill me? Burden of Proficiency me. Give me one day to decide who dies, and if they flip town, kill me.
But never listen to the worst player in this game who has an actual 0 % read record on me.
The number of town games I have played where Mastina has literally called me scum for every day in them and then oops we're both town
is fucking why I refuse to engage with her and eliminate her reads in reverse, tbh-
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2191 - I was TR'ing Lady Lamb up until this point, but she's lost me here. I could buy her conviction on pushing my slot, and later the Xtoxm slot, but this all or nothing push against Mastina feels more like scum frustration at being continually scumread. I don't see a compelling reason to suddenly flip her Mastina read in such a dramatic fashion.-
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I don't understand how she flips her townread on Mastina to a hard scumread based on the reasoning in 2257. It seems to me like they're arguing over semantics?In post 2330, Bell wrote:LLD hates being scum read tho-
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Actually, it does.AGar wrote:This:In post 2241, Luca Blight wrote:I read the first half of the game quite closely, but have skimmed most of it since then tbh.does not square withthis:
And definitely not with having three charmin townreads and no scumreads.In post 2273, Luca Blight wrote:It's going to take more than a skim-through to solidify my reads.-
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I really don't get this part.In post 2350, Dunnstral wrote: It's a culmination of TW being low hanging fruit and then replacing-
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In post 1903, Titus wrote:So, my question is how do I fix LLD v DGB when LLD is largely checked out...
Hmm
VOTE: the worst
Mastina, help me bus worst.
This push seems dishonest.In post 1947, Titus wrote:mastina's scum with TW. The moment I ask her to lim a scumread, she backs off the scumread.
Her walls are IioA, especially 1905. Her "content" gives nothing verifiable. She just states someone is scum and then states their actions are scummy. She's trying to create a t v t atmosphere and people like dgb are eating it up.
Mastina and the worst are scums.
Ceph is right about game health though.
Mastina SR's Titus more than tw, and had said so before this sudden push from Titus. It's understandable that when a bigger scumread of yours votes a lesser scumread, you're not going to be massively enthused about also joining that wagon right there and then. This seemed a bit manipulative, as though designed to make Mastina look bad more than anything.-
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I don't like how he waited until he was wagoned to start voting his biggest SR. I think as Town he would have been pushing it already, but as scum didn't want to rock the boat unnecessarily and felt comfy on the Lady Lamb wagon.In post 2591, Bell wrote:
Okay, why is Ythan scum? As either alignment they seem to have little feelings of obligation toward their team. I don't see anything.In post 2589, OkaPoka wrote:Sorry hop i dont want to answer ur questions do i have to
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Good post, I agree with most of this.In post 2516, innocentvillager wrote:
hmm, at the time i interpreted "things going wrong" as very strong wording. it's also possible the way mastina framed it at the time in 2291 i felt like it was very strong (e.g. a big claim, flips, etc. is what come to mind for me); as a town player I will reassess and bounce around even if none of those happen.In post 2512, AGar wrote:IV - in what world is evidence that runs counter to what you have asserted thus far not "things going wrong"?
And I believe town!Titus is that kind of player too from my limited experience with her. Her processes felt more substantiated in games I remember with her whereas here it does feel a bit more mechanical/blanket-assertiony without as much reasoning. I am honestly kind of at a loss for her confidence level on what's happening in this gamestate for the amount of content she's put out, especially coming from a player who tends in excel more in the lategame. If this is some sort of a style-change then maybe that would nullify this read of her a bit, idk. In a confirmation-biased way it almost feels like she's planning on parking her solve for now and setting up for her theory to be wrong, or justification to continue pushing her theory (which one would obviously depend on if the flip was consistent with her "theory" or not)
I get that mastina is not popular for some of you all this game but I think scum are going to double down on blanket-discrediting mastina and that's what I'm seeing from Titus and it's giving me a weird vibe
I'm also just not seeing the whole "mastina is spamming and manipulating the gamestate so she's scum!" thing at all that I believe Titus is proposing
I could be wrong on any of those fronts for sure but that's probably the crux of my gut-scumlean on her rn-
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In post 2518, AGar wrote:
I think you're putting too much faith into mastina and blindly following her off of a cliff.In post 2516, innocentvillager wrote:I get that mastina is not popular for some of you all this game but I think scum are going to double down on blanket-discrediting mastina and that's what I'm seeing from Titus and it's giving me a weird vibe-
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I'm not really vibing with this.In post 2576, Bell wrote:For cephrir yeah,
too many posts 'not giving a shit because I rolled town this game'
and I hate mastina posting posts.
It just feels like someone grasping at something to talk about and deciding to present themselves a certain way.
I get what you're saying, but it feels like an insignificant thing to push an elim for at this stage. Ceph's posting has generally felt Townie to me.-
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These are the slots that need sorting sooner rather than later.In post 2584, Bell wrote:I got nothing on Ythan.
They refuse to answer the questions I would usually ask to get a read on them and calling it spoon feeding.
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I'm agreeing with her general reads/thoughts a lot more than I did in that game, where I misread her as being scum. Her (imo misplaced) confidence in Mastina being scum seems similar to some of her pushes in the previous game.In post 2679, innocentvillager wrote: an aside before i forget@Luca, DGBim curious if either of you have impressions about Titus's play here since you both just finished a Large Normal with her (LN 231)?-
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I feel like Goofball was being genuinely solvey here without trying to push an agenda.
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I really vibed with this early IV scumread, and I felt the emotion was genuine.
I'm a little curious on Goofball's progression on A50, who Goofball TR, then SR, then null read without much in the way of explanation.In post 722, DrippingGoofball wrote:A50 is such a nervous scum wreck.
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This call to action felt super Townie to me. Goofball is identifying who he believes are fellow Town members and trying to create a sense organization and unity.
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I don't 100% buy this case, but I can see why Goofball thinks the 'neutralization' of Mastina could be a genuine scum strategy.-
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I agree that scum could be trying to discredit Mastina. I agree that Titus has way too much confidence in her Mastina SR, based on her reasoning.
I don't know Titus' scum game, but her game/reads so far seems better/more accurate (which is not necessarily more townie) than in the previous game, and her push against Mastina is somewhat similar to a push Titus made against a Townie in the previous game, although that occurred later on into the game.
Long and short of it is, I don't have enough info to reliably meta-read Titus and I think her actions this game have been independently scummy.-
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I think people are comparing this game to the last game too much.In post 2795, innocentvillager wrote:@Luca, wrt DGB, i think (could be mistaken?) ironically it's things like this that are fueling the dgb case? (specifically 1574 and 1510)
people are complaining about LLD pushing an agenda when it didn't last town game, lol
Goofball was pretty strong with their pushes in the game we were just in together.-
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Just making some guesses about the purity of these wagons, the Ythan wagon doesn't look great right now tbh. I'm leaning slightly Town on AGar, but I'm not sure about Bell and I SR Titus.In post 2769, implosion wrote:Lady Lambdadelta(6): DrippingGoofball, Xtoxm, mastina, Hopkirk, Ythan, jjh927
DrippingGoofball(6): Dunnstral, Cephrir, OkaPoka, Dannflor, Lady Lambdadelta, innocentvillager
Ythan(4): Luca Blight, Titus, AGar, Bell
Bell(1): Winter Flakes
OkaPoka(1): Almost50
The Lamb wagon ends with Hopkirk, Ythan and jjh927. I could definitely see scum existing in that group.
I'll admit the Goofball wagon looks fairly pure by comparison.-
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I thought the same earlier when you of all people laughed at my lack of reads despite having offered less than anyone else in the game yourself. Your posts since then have improved, but you're clearly as much of a slow starter as I am, but seem to lack awareness of this.
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I don't know, but it feels that way to me. Titus' views on the previous game seemed so backwards that I couldn't relate to them at all, and in the end she was wrong on most of her reads as I had expected. Here, apart from her Mastina read, I agree with a number of her thoughts and reads.In post 2932, innocentvillager wrote:
i reread this again and realized i want moreIn post 2797, Luca Blight wrote:I don't know Titus' scum game, but her game/reads so far seems better/more accurate (which is not necessarily more townie) than in the previous game, and her push against Mastina is somewhat similar to a push Titus made against a Townie in the previous game, although that occurred later on into the game.
how do you know they're "better/more accurate" this game...?
how does her push against mastina feel similar to a push she made on townie in the other game?
The push was similar in the sense that she was way too confident based on flawed reasoning.-
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This is a very shallow read. I don't get the feeling that Bell is tryingIn post 2934, Titus wrote:
It did. Scum!Bell doesn't try at all here. No need for him to.In post 2931, Dannflor wrote:
Also, where did this come fromIn post 2906, Titus wrote:My read on Bell is improving.
Because I can't think it came from Bell directlythathard. As scum he'd probably be worried about being flashwagoned if he didn't do anything.-
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I'm not vibing with this. IV has been genuinely invested in the outcome of this elim on a level that I think would be hard to fake as scum.In post 2952, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I could hyper wagon IV if 10 people agreed to it, otherwise if you think I'm town, you need to be voting DGB.-
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DGB was my biggest TR, what are you talking about?In post 3154, Dunnstral wrote: Luca Blight: Luca Blight himself has had some good comments, and some bad comments.At the end of the day, he voted for LLD for some reason despite talking abotu DGB earlier, and as LLD put it there were reasons for finding Hercule scummy that didn't go away. The slot I'm least sure of in black hole tier, so I put it at the end, but I do believe it needs to go sooner rather than later.-
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This feels like Titus knows a case on her in incoming and she's trying to preemptively discredit it.In post 3238, Titus wrote:VOTE: mastina
Case me or die. I want to have this out. I may not respond right away but I want you solved. No more vague meta statements. If I am wrong on you, I should be able to see you having genuine logic here, even if wrong.
If she is so convinced and passionate about her Mastina read then I don't get why she is compromising already, especially after what ended up happening on D1 where most people compromised on wagons they weren't particularly keen on.
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I get that, but given Mastina's biggest SR just flipped Town it's quite possible her reads/view of the game may have altered somewhat, but instead of considering that it feels like you're gearing up for fight or flight mode.In post 3450, Titus wrote:@Luca, mastina has been promising that case for what feels like weeks now. Of course I expect it.
Second, my vote on Ythan is not a compromise at all. I have reasons to scumread him.
What are your reasons for SR'ing Ythan?
I said before that I read up until page 43 quite closely before burning out and skimming until page 80 or so.
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The context being meta? Which makes no sense, given I haven't played with Mastina for years.In post 3457, Titus wrote:@Luca, mastina changes her mind as often as gravity reverses itself. Rare but it does happen. When it does, she needs evidence. If she's town, I'd have it.
Based on your taking things out of context, I am thinking you might be scum. You most certainly are if mastina is town.-
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