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[Hopkirk]

i don't see those post numbers quoted anywhere in your iso. where did you mention them (i'm assuming these are some of your notable issues with his tone)?

[Titus]

what are you begging me to interactive with because if you point out what you've posted you wanted me to interact with then i will, but i don't see it?

Anything. Engage with my thinking out loud. Give me something to read you by. Engaging with my thoughts is how I read people besides VCA.

Engage whether you think Cephrir is frustrated town or scum. Cephrir is going to just say he's town.

I want Cephrir to engage on your Bell interaction.

I am drifting here, pulling bits and pieces.

I have you, who doesn't interact with anything I post but objecting to gamebreaking.

I have Cephrir who refuses to vote you (possible scum) but is willing to vote me to get Ythan as town. Yet he seems frustrated but compliant. That's gun to my head town reaction.

[Titus]

Cephrir is flailing imo. His comments to me about reading rather than relying purely on VCA and he'd hate to lose because scum never bus are AI and tone but I go back and forth on whether it's frustrated town or scum.

[Hopkirk]

it literally isn't gamebreaking...

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i went through all of Ceph's iso and posted all my thoughts and a lot of points where i wanted a second opinion and you didn't engage with any of it. did you not find anything worth commenting on/discussing including the multiple half-questions (the thing where i add a ? at the end of the sentence to indicate i'm unsure/want other thoughts)? i don't really get how you're saying i'm not engaging with you when you haven't interacted with (a lot more) of my stuff?

[Hopkirk]

i didn't get a sense of ceph flailing or i'd have commented on it. can you be more explicit about what bits you didn't like?

[Titus]

i didn't get a sense of ceph flailing or i'd have commented on it. can you be more explicit about what bits you didn't like?

Flailing =/= don't like. It's an emotion that feels desperate/frustrated. Both town and scum can be desperate.

Those posts indicate genuine emotion. I have trouble sorting intent behind emotion.

[Titus]

i went through all of Ceph's iso and posted all my thoughts and a lot of points where i wanted a second opinion and you didn't engage with any of it.

If I felt you wanted a second opinion, I would have commented. I felt you were trying to either sort or shade Cephrir. Interrupting would not serve a purpose. I was hoping you'd give some sort of concrete opinion I could read you with. The whole thing felt confusing though, so I kept telling myself I would read later but I put it off.

[Titus]

Can you give me a second opinion on Cephrir's frustration and why?

[Titus]

Can you tell me, what specifically, you want a second opinion on?

[Hopkirk]

can you quote what triggered your interest, because i don't really see flailing

is that *sniff sniff*

fake frustration i smell

just kidding my sense of smell is terrible

unless... *eye emojis toward ceph*

I would clearly be genuinely frustrated here regardless of my alignment.

like ive been out here spilling my emotions and working my butt off and i'm not really keen on losing to someone who did jack shit fuck all because there happened to be competing scum wagons or smth.

It's time for everyone's favorite game show, pin the tail on the warthog

there's some posts that felt a little tonally frustrated but i usually either can't read/townread emotion & i'm not entirely sure what you're seeing?

[Hopkirk]

Can you tell me, what specifically, you want a second opinion on?

essentially any comments on stuff you agree with/have a different take on/have thoughts either way where i wasn't sure how to read it?

[Hopkirk]

in the first post for example, stuff like this was all stuff where discussion (outside of hectic) would be useful?

-'would probably expect scum!ceph to have an opinion on Herc here? Oka & TheWorst are voting Hercule at this point so i'd probably expect other scum to be voting against the Herc wagon rather than being 'not sure'? with Ceph later on starting to push Herc somewhat then it could be a 100% bus i guess, but idk how i feel about that'

-'i still don't get the perspective that you're arguing here? it's also hard to judge objectively... hey @Ythan?'

-'i feel like i should have thoughts here but i have no idea how to read your interactions surrounding herc given two scum were pushing it
you feel kind of off given you had herc at the bottom 3 of your reads lists followed by votes on me/DGB instead of flipping to herc'

[Hopkirk]

i'm going to sleep because it's close to 1 but i can be around tomorrow morning

[Cephrir]

Btw, Cephrir. I told you that I have been in conflict with the flipped scum. You said you would check but I haven't seen your results.

I haven't done anything yet. Still planning to. Was kind of hoping ythan would help me out by taking a stance tho.

[Titus]

can you quote what triggered your interest, because i don't really see flailing

is that *sniff sniff*

fake frustration i smell

just kidding my sense of smell is terrible

unless... *eye emojis toward ceph*

I would clearly be genuinely frustrated here regardless of my alignment.

like ive been out here spilling my emotions and working my butt off and i'm not really keen on losing to someone who did jack shit fuck all because there happened to be competing scum wagons or smth.

It's time for everyone's favorite game show, pin the tail on the warthog

there's some posts that felt a little tonally frustrated but i usually either can't read/townread emotion & i'm not entirely sure what you're seeing?

We can disagree on the term flailing, since we both can't read emotion. We both see he's frustrated. Gtmh it's townie. I'd like you to take a guess at it, even if you don't stand by it.

[Titus]

in the first post for example, stuff like this was all stuff where discussion (outside of hectic) would be useful?

-'would probably expect scum!ceph to have an opinion on Herc here? Oka & TheWorst are voting Hercule at this point so i'd probably expect other scum to be voting against the Herc wagon rather than being 'not sure'? with Ceph later on starting to push Herc somewhat then it could be a 100% bus i guess, but idk how i feel about that'

-'i still don't get the perspective that you're arguing here? it's also hard to judge objectively... hey @Ythan?'

-'i feel like i should have thoughts here but i have no idea how to read your interactions surrounding herc given two scum were pushing it
you feel kind of off given you had herc at the bottom 3 of your reads lists followed by votes on me/DGB instead of flipping to herc'

I'll take a look at this later.

[Titus]

Btw, Cephrir. I told you that I have been in conflict with the flipped scum. You said you would check but I haven't seen your results.

I haven't done anything yet. Still planning to. Was kind of hoping ythan would help me out by taking a stance tho.

I've been hoping Ythan would take a stance as well. His input on the patterns I observed would be helpful.

Do you think Hopkirk's D1 can ever come from town? He defended hercule, never voted any of the scum when they were serious wagons. You could argue Bell, but I debate whether that argument was fake and accidently started the wagon or whether it was legit. I attempted to cross reference their ISOs but found with the subs it was difficult.

There was an early request for a sheep, which I felt was odd given the lack of communication.

[Cephrir]

I suspect my answer to that will be yes, but I think pretty much anything has the potential to come from town. I'll take a look at it though.

[Titus]

Forgive me, I should have said probable not possible. Anything is possible.

[Hopkirk]

I'm not sure what you mean 'take a guess at it' when i've explained my thought on it?

Do you think Hopkirk's D1 can ever come from town? He defended hercule, never voted any of the scum when they were serious wagons.

this is an incredibly weird take especially when you're saying you're unsure about things?
why are you acting like pushing LLD>Herc is scum indicative, let alone the over that over the top phrasing

what didn't you like about the 'request for a sheep' that i'm pretty sure is taken out of context

[Hopkirk]

weird in that it's out of line with the perspective that you're presenting
unless you're phrasing it to the extreme as a question which i can also see - but if that's the case then why are you phrasing it as over the top

[implosion]

68

In the restaurant industry, 68 may be used as a code meaning "put back on the menu", being the opposite of 86 which means "remove from the menu".^[16]

Vote Count 7.3

Cephrir

(1): Titus

Not Voting

(3): Ythan, Cephrir, Hopkirk

With 4 alive, it takes 3 votes to eliminate. Deadline is set for midnight PST on April 23, in (expired on 2021-04-23 03:00:00).

[Ythan]

Deas posted a bunch of stuff I have a motherfucker of a headache right now though

[Titus]

I'm still voting. I'll clarify my concerns tonight.

[Hopkirk]

i'm not sure how much time i'm going to have to post in the next few days