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[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like, you could have replaced out instead of killing yourself. Why didn't you do that if you were exhausted?

[Flavor Leaf]

Like there just wasn't. I understand why people think there might have been, but like, come on


I'm like the guy that always goes "I can win against all odds". Like it was done. People saying there was a chance, no, there wasn't. The fight was Nancy and Norwegian vs Flavor. They got me. They literally got me

[Thestatusquo]

honestly I dont have a problem with FL conceding the game.

I have a problem with almost everything else he did, but I don't have a problem with him conceding in what I think was a clearly lost position.

This will be my last post in this thread.

[Flavor Leaf]

And I don't replace out of games I sign up for unless I feel I'm getting too toxic, another telling of where I believe my level of toxicity was this game

[DkKoba]

I understand why some people think I had a chance, but it's like playing Go or Chess. The longer it takes for someone to realize that the game is over, the newer the player, and thus it's polite to resign when the game is seen to be over.

As Pooky said, and shown by the end of it, I was burnt out from Mafia, the last 3 months I was playing was for the first time just not fun anymore, and exhausted, so it was essentially, I'm completely out of energy, I put so much effort into this game, and I got KO'd.

My health bar got depleted. Like, they won. They beat me. The game was over.

Except Mafia isn't go or chess and it's not a zero sum game and it's not a game where you play by yourself.

It's a team game. Concession in chess and go and other zero sum strategy games is done because you can see that the movesets are closed off. That isn't the case with human psychology.

The truth is, I've convinced a group of 4 people ON THIS WEBSITE who SHOULD HAVE CONFIRMED THROUGH MOD INFORMATION ALL KNOWN that I was CONFIRMED SCUM that I was instead CONFIRMED TOWN by a narrative I had created by predicting this outcome and won that game off that lie.

A 0% to win game, turned into a win by sheer force of will.

Mafia is not a game where players can just say "well I concede" and be right.

And I find it incredibly offensive that you say shit like you did here, talking down to us. You're not better than most people here. You're certainly not better than me. Or did you not learn your lesson in Tenet where you pulled this shit and it probably was the main cause for town losing that game.

If you keep on this path, you're never going to improve. Part of being able to improve is recognizing your limits and knowing where your weaknesses are.

Mafia is not a game where anything is lost. If you fight to the end and you didn't make the right moves or say the right words, so be it, it happens.

I mean a great example of this is Wall street bets. A game where I was close to 0% to win and came within... I dunno, a single early game choice of who had the money of winning. I took an unwinnable game and got to final four with 2 votes believing I was town. All I needed was for the vig not to be bought by one of the people who didn't think that way. It was a shame and I just didn't get it right. I can learn from that.

But I could have given up when I realized they were buying it, but I had outs in which I could convince them to shoot someone else. Learning to try for those outs and playing to them is a sign of an experienced player, not a new one.

then town were playing against their win condition if you were indeed mechanically guilty from their PoV

[DkKoba]

relying on town literally gamethrowing is not the take you think it is wrt conceding a clearly lost position.

[DkKoba]

"aha i hope magnus carlsen blunders this guaranteed mate in 2"

[Dannflor]

the average mafia rating on here would be like 800

not magnus carlsen

[DkKoba]

the average mafia rating on here would be like 800

not magnus carlsen

the point of the analogy that there was an extremely low chance of town messing up that gamestate because the case was set in motion based on evidence that cannot be taken back

[Lady Lambdadelta]

relying on town literally gamethrowing is not the take you think it is wrt conceding a clearly lost position.

It turns out that Manipulating someone into a blunder and relying on them to make it on their own are two different things.

It turns out that there are win conditions beyond town playing perfectly, in which you... shockingly

INDUCE TOWN INTO A SUBOPTIMAL PLAY VIA MANIPULATION

I feel like I'm playing with people who play poker and look up hand strength online and fold anything that is below premium. Yes, I get it, you're not favoured. Part of poker is playing the other player, not the hand. Inducing folds. Inducing bad calls.

Poker is a much better metaphor for Mafia.

But the Dunning-Krueger here is super strong, because both of you seem to really enjoy talking down to people while lording how right you are, when you literally couldn't be more wrong.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And I don't replace out of games I sign up for unless I feel I'm getting too toxic, another telling of where I believe my level of toxicity was this game

Hmmmm

[Dannflor]

the average mafia rating on here would be like 800

not magnus carlsen

the point of the analogy that there was an extremely low chance of town messing up that gamestate because the case was set in motion based on evidence that cannot be taken back

and my point is that we can't assume any given players are good enough to actually take full advantage of said evidence

like unless you're getting to the absolute highest levels of play in any game, people always have a chance to blunder

[Jingle]

Also, I typed an entire case, had the forum eat it, and then retyped it and you people hammered Pine before he could post it. You monsters.

@FL.

[Ramcius]

That was a good entertainment, chess and poker examples, but you know, you should go a little bit deeper, you can't just use general idea, when you you speaking for specific circumstances. Sure, part of poker is bluffing, but also it's part of recognising if your opponent is susceptible for bluff, same for chess, you have to know, if you opponent is weak enough to make a blunder, or they simple look at you with a disgust for underestimating their intelligence - no one likes to be treated like an idiot. In this case, Nancy was a tipping point, Akarin would just sheep her, she wouldn't go against Nancy. So you saying that bring even more toxicity in this game via FL vs Nancy fight was a right choice, because you think there was non 0% chance to convince her? Key word here is "you think", there was no salvaging any more

[Nancy Drew 39]

That was a good entertainment, chess and poker examples, but you know, you should go a little bit deeper, you can't just use general idea, when you you speaking for specific circumstances. Sure, part of poker is bluffing, but also it's part of recognising if your opponent is susceptible for bluff, same for chess, you have to know, if you opponent is weak enough to make a blunder, or they simple look at you with a disgust for underestimating their intelligence - no one likes to be treated like an idiot. In this case, Nancy was a tipping point, Akarin would just sheep her, she wouldn't go against Nancy. So you saying that bring even more toxicity in this game via FL vs Nancy fight was a right choice, because you think there was non 0% chance to convince her? Key word here is "you think", there was no salvaging any more

Akarin was the first one to notice that something was off about you being the nk. She thought it was “weird” and then Norwee said it was because you were “obvtown”.

Like Akarin wasn’t?

So, yeah Akarin was already suspicious of that and after I laid out Pooky’s case, there’s no way in hell she wouldn’t have sheeped me.

@FL, no offense but your toxicity bar is unreasonably low. I replaced out of game for far far less than that. If you are causing the rest of the playerlist to be demoralized, that’s “too toxic”.


My theory is that’s the real reason for the ban but the mods for whatever reason didn’t want to say that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@mod, are we ever going to get to see the scum PT?

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, I typed an entire case, had the forum eat it, and then retyped it and you people hammered Pine before he could post it. You monsters.

@FL.

Oh, I was not about to let a Jingle case on me go through.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Of all the things that are problematic with this game, FL self-hammering after getting 2 votes on him is the issue mods have a problem with?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Rather FL should have gotten an medal for self-hammering, because at least the pain wouldn’t be dragged out any more.

[DkKoba]

Of all the things that are problematic with this game, FL self-hammering after getting 2 votes on him is the issue mods have a problem with?

yeah its a complete farce lmao.

[Flavor Leaf]

I am willing to accept a medal.

[Loki Dokie]

Of all the things that are problematic with this game, FL self-hammering after getting 2 votes on him is the issue mods have a problem with?

yeah its a complete farce lmao.

Complete with a farce of a ban, it’s almost poetic.

[Mistyx]

i dont think its exactly playing against win condition to concede if you dont think you have a win condition

[Nancy Drew 39]

Is the scum PT ever going to get released?

[PenguinPower]

Sorry for the delay. Released.

PMs work well if you want to get my attention. This forum doesn't have a functional @ feature.