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You know, Deas, even though I actually scumread Ari now, I'm tempted to agree with you simply because I feel the same way about Creature that I did with Sirius; if he is town, we'll never be able to confidently townread him. I guess that's what happens when you don't ever bother to explain the underlying reasoning or thought processes behind your reads/takes. I realise it's why I'm so bad at reading Creature - because he NEVER actually explains the reasons behind what he believes in, and I'm all about reading into reasons and trying to determine whether they make sense and are genuine.
If I go Creature over Ari, it's because I'm confident enough in my GOLDEN FRIEND TOWNBLOC OF JUSTICE all being town, that is [Ydrasse, The Bulge, Puff, xofelf, Deas] of course. Meaning it's exactly one of Ari and Reck because I don't think Reck busses like that after a scum buddy goes down day 1, and I don't think Ari's reaction to Reck is SvS indicative - of these two I am heavily leaning Ari. But by PoE, the other scum is just Creature if I trust my townreads. Wait, so it comes down to trusting in my own ability to townread 5 people versus my ability in scumreading one person. hm. hm. HM.
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Ari is at odds with DkKoba for a large part of it. Dk slowly winds Ari down with a push, frustrating him over the course of the game until Ari FINALLY lashes out here and the following - posts - also this.
I found that extremely towny while playing that game, Ari. You were my top townread iirc. Here, I see you got from 0 to 100 (for your standards) reacting to Ydrasse in this post. There's no prior buildup or reason to be upset at Ydrasse, you were just that annoyed at her vote. From my experience with you, it takes a lot more for you to finally snap at a player. Dk was being really annoying and you reacted in a jovial manner for a long, long time until you finally go off on them.
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Yeah, that whole Bulge progression is another thing that's really weird about Ari. I don't see the scum-In post 2341, Ydrasse wrote:ariiiiiiii please god come post Soon AHHHHH
how do you feel about the bulge now? because uh, i'm looking back over that case and it feels even worse in retrospect, 1726 and 1729, and i know i already asked you about these but i can't get over how you like... presented them?
it feels like you really had decided from the start that you were just going to scumread bulge, like. there's nothing in there at all that suggests i guess that you made a natural effort to read him accepting the fact that he might be town. and then like... is it really just the claim that made you think that he's that towny in your most recent reads list? even despite the fact that it might be a fakeclaim given scum know the roles of the setup?
like, i guess i just want to understand... is it really just that that made you roll over on it? this is a setup where mafia are inherently going to have (or should ...) better fakeclaims i think so like... was there no paranoia there at all? what went through your head when you saw what bulge claimed?motivationbehind hard tunnelling and casing a slot that's on L-1, but the reasons there are really bad faithy. I also agree that he's too accepting of the claim and The Bulge being town after how confbiased he seemed on him being scum earlier.- Augustus Caesar
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I do keep having paranoia about Ari not even trying angry AtE as scum before, but... this is Team Mafia and if you're gonna make an exception, it's for this game. Especially since he has Jangle on his team and I think Jongle might know Ari better than anyone else on this site (or was that Something_Smart?), so could easily be recommending using some of it to fool the poor meta-farmers like I.
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Hmm, why was Creature tempted to believe me? I only thought that because I'm aware of beeboy's scummeta. I don't think Creature is.
This post isn't really incriminating without knowing his meta.In post 246, beeboy wrote:Oh no i didn't realize the game started.
Hello friends.
After clash tonight I'll read up. <3
Says we shouldn't bother with beeboy here.In post 397, Creature wrote:beeboy is probably someone I wouldn't bother with rn. So the only significant viable scumread I have is Reckoner. Though, Ydrasse and Bulge also should be looked at.
Doesn't have beeboy coloured in in this readslist.In post 400, Creature wrote:Sirius9121 (0)
Augautus Caesar (0)
Aristophanes (0)
Datisi (0)
Summer Nights (0)
Creature (0)
xofelf (0)
DeasVail (0)
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beeboy (0)
beeboy is now in his scumpool? beeboy hasn't posted since his comments about nothing bothering with him or his readlist. how can he have a gut feeling beeboy is scum based on nothing?In post 403, Creature wrote:If I go fullgut, the scumteam should be three between Summer Nights, The Bulge, xRECKONERx and beeboy.
408: Oh, beeboy is now coloured in red. This is still before beeboy's second post though which Creature comments on here:In post 508, Creature wrote:
Feels like somethijg frozenscum!me would sayIn post 466, beeboy wrote:Is anyone here is there something I should know before I read back?
feels like something scum are less likely to say about their buddy tbhIn post 591, Creature wrote:I'll just be pretty annoyed if beeboy happens to be town and we wasted an entire dayphase
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Me too, but I don't want to end up being pressured all day tomorrow and feel unable to scumhunt due to that wagonIn post 734, DeasVail wrote:VOTE: RCEnigma
I’m fine if people want to wait and see more, but I think I’ve seen enough to be comfortable with an elimination here
Creature only thinks he's at risk if RCE flips scum, right? that's what he's saying here?In post 753, Creature wrote:
I mean, RCE probably drops dead today, but tomorrow I may be at risk.In post 752, DeasVail wrote:
Why are you expecting a wagon on you? I don't think there are many, if any, votes on you now.In post 749, Creature wrote:
Me too, but I don't want to end up being pressured all day tomorrow and feel unable to scumhunt due to that wagonIn post 734, DeasVail wrote:VOTE: RCEnigma
I’m fine if people want to wait and see more, but I think I’ve seen enough to be comfortable with an elimination here- Augustus Caesar
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This post is so weird considering he's never expressed interest or a scumread on Ari outside of this, he actually townreads him earlierIn post 770, Creature wrote:Should we ever do Aristophanes?
I was looking through VCs and he never votes for Ari either, he's always on the counterwagon whatever it is
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I won't oppose anymore. If you vote there I'll consider joining just to see what happens.In post 844, xRECKONERx wrote:Nobody is interested in my Ari push- Augustus Caesar
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Easy when you haven't played in 4 yearsIn post 2357, Augustus Caesar wrote:lol what, Reck hasn't been scum in 4 yearsSigh- Creature
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The only defense I saw on xofelf was "they responded to pressure with reads" and some variant of too scummy to be scum.
The first must also assume Adorable must be town because she also responded to pressure with reads. And tbh who didn't ever respond with reads? I think I only don't remember DeasVail posting reads to pressure.
The latter has always been "scum!xofelf would be doing more things", which is pretty fallacious. Scum doesn't have to be some Light Yagami deep mind thinker planning every one of their post to follow a scum goal. Sometimes scum can just be running in circles not knowing what to do.Sigh- Adorable
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This post is completely fair. And I will do my best to do a big dive tonight. The fact that I haven't done it yet is totally life getting in the way and NAI.In post 2348, Augustus Caesar wrote:
Ah, let's get settled in to another day of Hectic mostly talking to Augustus Caesar. I'm looking forward to it.
Hey, Deas, Bulge:In post 2010, DeasVail wrote:Okay I know that eliminating me at this point seems like a foregone conclusion for some but I will prove myself as town somehow in the coming days. I don’t know how that’ll be but I want to be a slot that is widely townread and an easy exclusion from poe. Not whatever this is.
The purpose of me bringing up these quotes isn't to shade, but to remind you of that earlier WIM and PROMISE you two believed in. We can solve this today, let's just put the work in.In post 2221, The Bulge wrote:we're solving this game today people, we're in a fantastic position for it. keep an eye out for thread momentum crashers. I need to read read read this weekend but I'm gonna try to be here as often as I can promoting workflow but at this pace apathy will be our undoing almost certainly
It would take A LOT for me to read xofelf as scum here. I had a moment of reconsideration there when I voted them but that reconsideration has pointed me strongly to xofelf being town.
And Hectic, I was having a similar thought last night that if we trust in our collective townreads then this game is solved. Of course, there is always going to be paranoia there, but I would be pretty confident in all of xofelf, bulge, adorable being town. And I'm happy to consider Ydrasse town as well while you strongly townread her.- Hectic
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I have a few reasons, but my strongest reason to think xofelf isn't scum is just the way they interacted with RCE. Firstly, the long interaction they had, secondly, RCE choosing xofelf as one of his first slots to ISO-dive, thirdly, this post - what scum partner says this:
-whenRCE's entrance is actually really decent one. It sucks that he's replacing into a slot that is just so empty, and a game that is so lethargic. But also, guys, we have 3 days and there is a single wagon, the fuck are we doing? We all need to step it up.this, is the VC:
xofelf isn't trying to push any counterwagons - they're not even voting themselves. The number one priority on scum's mind at the time of this VC is gonna be on how they'll look in the event RCE flips scum (which is looking very likely at this point). If scum!xofelf defends RCE, there needs to be a damn good reason for it, some way to get RCE out of this perhaps, maybe change people's minds, or push an aletertive wagon. xofelf does not try and change people's minds with reasoning, neither do they try and push an alterative. This just reads like ignorant town to me.In post 824, Isis wrote:- Augustus Caesar
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just give me the 2 week ban now, IsisIn post 2363, Hectic wrote:I have a few reasons, but my strongest reason to think xofelf isn't scum is just the way they interacted with RCE. Firstly, the long interaction they had, secondly, RCE choosing xofelf as one of his first slots to ISO-dive, thirdly, this post - what scum partner says this:
-whenRCE's entrance is actually really decent one. It sucks that he's replacing into a slot that is just so empty, and a game that is so lethargic. But also, guys, we have 3 days and there is a single wagon, the fuck are we doing? We all need to step it up.this, is the VC:
xofelf isn't trying to push any counterwagons - they're not even voting themselves. The number one priority on scum's mind at the time of this VC is gonna be on how they'll look in the event RCE flips scum (which is looking very likely at this point). If scum!xofelf defends RCE, there needs to be a damn good reason for it, some way to get RCE out of this perhaps, maybe change people's minds, or push an aletertive wagon. xofelf does not try and change people's minds with reasoning, neither do they try and push an alterative. This just reads like ignorant town to me.In post 824, Isis wrote:- Augustus Caesar
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Yeah, that's my current thinking. It depends in the manner Ari comes back with his team's readsIn post 2362, DeasVail wrote:This post is completely fair. And I will do my best to do a big dive tonight. The fact that I haven't done it yet is totally life getting in the way and NAI.
It would take A LOT for me to read xofelf as scum here. I had a moment of reconsideration there when I voted them but that reconsideration has pointed me strongly to xofelf being town.
And Hectic, I was having a similar thought last night that if we trust in our collective townreads then this game is solved. Of course, there is always going to be paranoia there, but I would be pretty confident in all of xofelf, bulge, adorable being town. And I'm happy to consider Ydrasse town as well while you strongly townread her.
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K I'm doing the writeups now sorry guys.
I saw this tho so Imma help Hoctac out:
He was scum in MafiaSunnyIn post 2357, Augustus Caesar wrote:lol what, Reck hasn't been scum in 4 yearsHalf meme, Half real, All Aristophanes ;)- JingleAri has appeared way too competent for me to even pretend to know what they're thinking
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I was scum like last year with UT in Legends of the Hidden Temple 3In post 2357, Augustus Caesar wrote:lol what, Reck hasn't been scum in 4 yearsgreen shirt thursdays- xRECKONERx
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lol holy shit I already forgot about thisIn post 2366, Aristophanes wrote:K I'm doing the writeups now sorry guys.
I saw this tho so Imma help Hoctac out:
He was scum in MafiaSunnyIn post 2357, Augustus Caesar wrote:lol what, Reck hasn't been scum in 4 years
God I got robbed by luckshit night actionsgreen shirt thursdays- xRECKONERx
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So I read hectic's dive on Ari. I'm not entirely sure what the hell to make of it??? It's stream of consciousness style back and forth. Some Ari posts are town. Some are scummy. I'm not entirely sure what commentary you're expecting back from me Hectic.
I agree w/ some of it. I disagree with others (like why is Ari pointing you to a recent scumgame somehow town indicative instead of NAI). Or why the "LEGENDARY" Ari post makes him town because you're literally just falling for "too scummy to be scum" there.
I think your read on Ari, to me, FEELS a lot more even-keeled so I was kinda surprised to see you vote him midway through? It felt more neutral in reading but maybe it's because I get angry at any mention of him being town lol
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The town points were minor compared to the scummy stuff I found. I'll summarise why I think he's scum for you, Reck:
-Felt like he was faking analysis, for example, why he was talking about Datisi/peta having partnery stuff based on 4th vote rvs memes
-His reaction to Ydrasse when she voted him felt over the top and out of character for him
-The times he speaks about the beeboy slot sounds partnery<- this is the biggest reason by far
-Him wanting to back out of a 1v1 with you apparently, but that clearly not being his true intention in that post- Augustus Caesar
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Not at all lolIn post 2369, xRECKONERx wrote:I think your read on Ari, to me, FEELS a lot more even-keeled so I was kinda surprised to see you vote him midway through? It felt more neutral in reading but maybe it's because I get angry at any mention of him being town lol
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I mean hey, you don't have to convince me here. I've wanted Ari dead for *checks notes* the entire game nowIn post 2370, Augustus Caesar wrote:The town points were minor compared to the scummy stuff I found. I'll summarise why I think he's scum for you, Reck:
-Felt like he was faking analysis, for example, why he was talking about Datisi/peta having partnery stuff based on 4th vote rvs memes
-His reaction to Ydrasse when she voted him felt over the top and out of character for him
-The times he speaks about the beeboy slot sounds partnery<- this is the biggest reason by far
-Him wanting to back out of a 1v1 with you apparently, but that clearly not being his true intention in that postgreen shirt thursdays- Aristophanes
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This is followed by discussion from Dann and Jingle about Ydrasse from the aforementioned game and how Dann is scumreading Ydrasse here, which I'll get to.
He wrote a shit tonne so Imma see what I can do here.
Sorry that took so long.
I need a fucking nap.Half meme, Half real, All Aristophanes ;)- JingleAri has appeared way too competent for me to even pretend to know what they're thinking
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