TM 2021: A normal roguelike

[Adorable]

This is what midwaybear said when I asked what does he think of the players after I made #85.

-He said Creature's entrance seems townie and his concern over being distracted over studies is slightly townie and doesn't care much as scum. For me Creature is hard to read and I wasn't able to see how that was townie.
-He wasn't sure why Ari asked Creature who scum is. He is overall a bit too jokey.
-Said Hectic/Ydrasse back and forth seems mostly NAI and said he believed they did this in Pooky/FL.
-Said xofelf seems to be taking Reck's RVS vote a bit serious
- Said Hectic's read on Ari in post 50 he doesn't agree with. It's just a wagon and there's nothing really to be self conscious of that early.
- Said Hectic including NAI reads is interesting and didn't know what to think of it yet.
- Said Datisi townread on DV is also not the best.
- Said Datisi voting me is somewhat understandable
-Said Hectic seems townie, but it is a weak read for him.
-Said Datisi's questions on Ari mostly reflects his thoughts and thought that was good except he put a question mark in the end and it looked like he wasn't sure.
-Said Bulge asking Sirius about personal life seemed abit intrusive and he put lol in the end.

These thoughts are through #9-#87

I would have thought that one of the most striking things from a reads perspective would have been my push of you, yet midwaybear has no opinion on it.

This feels like panic asking a team-mate to help fake reads to look town.

What are you talking about? Hectic asked me how much have I spoken to my team about reads and I said that I asked my team before Hectic even asked me about reads. What you're saying makes no sense here because how am I scum panicking when I have already asked my team long ago about on what did they think of the players.

[Adorable]

I didn't like the way how you just straight up voted me saying I dipped and without even engaging with me. I went to bed after I responded to DV and don't expect me to respond right away because I'm not active.

Is a vote not a form of engagement?

You voted Augustus for maybe a reason, maybe no reason. What's so harmful about a vote?

My vote on Augustus was an rvs and I don't even know what you are asking in the second sentence. Are you asking me what's so harmful about my vote on Hectic?

[Datisi]

@sirius i'm still waiting for the elaboration on gypyx's read on me ok cool

[Isis]

Votecount 1.1

• Sirius9121
  (2) - The Bulge, petapan
  
• Augustus
  Caesar
  (1) - Adorable
  
• Aristophanes
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• Datisi
  (0) -
  
• Summer
  Nights
  (0) -
  
• Creature
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• xofelf
  (0) -
  
• DeasVail
  (0) -
  
• The
  Bulge
  (1) - Sirius9121
  
• Adorable
  (2) - Datisi, xRECKONERx
  
• petapan
  (0)
  
• xRECKONERx
  (2) - Augustus Caesar, Aristophanes
  
• beeboy
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Not Voting (5) : Creature, xofelf, DeasVail, beeboy, Summer Nights
Deadline: (expired on 2021-01-29 21:00:00)
With thirteen alive, it takes seven votes to eliminate and seven votes to skip the day's elimination.

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But we have to watch out!

Spoiler:

Unlike most summons in DCSS, it could hurt T-Bone even though he summoned it! (use x and v to examine units like this)

[Adorable]

I didn't like the way how you just straight up voted me saying I dipped and without even engaging with me. I went to bed after I responded to DV and don't expect me to respond right away because I'm not active.

you literally posted replying to other people and not DV

you're *still* ignoring DV after being called out on it???

?

I can't respond to every single post and there will always be a post I will miss. When I came back which was around 10 hours later I responded to Datisi, Hectic, Ari, and I missed out on DV's post.

[Adorable]

Gotta say the multiposting thing is going to kill me. It just feels like noise for the sake of noise and my eyes kinda glaze over as I read it. I also can't keep track of which is which, and who they're supposed to be underneath the alt, which is making that slot so much harder to read.(I also don't remember if it was just one of the public alts hyperposting or both, so that's a bad sign)
I am liking DV so far. The questions do feel like they're coming from a genuine place. I guess the term is solving? But it just feels like good reaction poking and I'm here for it.
Ari my love, why do you feel funny to me? There's this tone underneath your posts that don't quite feel genuine and more performative. Idk if it's AI, I just know unlike usual, reading your posts made my nose wrinkle up.
That's what I got for now.

Gotta say the multiposting thing is going to kill me. It just feels like noise for the sake of noise and my eyes kinda glaze over as I read it. I also can't keep track of which is which, and who they're supposed to be underneath the alt, which is making that slot so much harder to read.(I also don't remember if it was just one of the public alts hyperposting or both, so that's a bad sign)
I am liking DV so far. The questions do feel like they're coming from a genuine place. I guess the term is solving? But it just feels like good reaction poking and I'm here for it.
Ari my love, why do you feel funny to me? There's this tone underneath your posts that don't quite feel genuine and more performative. Idk if it's AI, I just know unlike usual, reading your posts made my nose wrinkle up.
That's what I got for now.

this 100%

the stupid fucking open alts rule is very bad and dumb and creates more legwork for people to open a tab and have to crossreference who is saying what bc of the alts, the spamposting is ridiculous (out of the first ~100 posts nearly HALF of them are solely from ari + hectic), and the forced shtick of posting in character with images at the end of every post or whatever the hell hectic is doing is sapping my will to live

but i signed up to play team mafia, so i will play team mafia. i am just not going to engage with hectic's shtick for my own sanity. if my team wants to read it they can and fill me in. actually ill ask them to do that right now.

xof's post 100% lines up with my headspace atm so i'm feeling big town energy there

Xof-town. Reck less town but still leaning town.

Can you explain here the town read on Xof? You said less town on Reck but still leaning town. Why did you say less town on Reck?

[Adorable]

ok so same situation I'm talking about because flashwagoning galaxii implies you weren't happy with the leading wagons of titus and klyne. except insisting on looking at it from that angle makes it an even less apt comparison because stating a scumread will almost always be more relevant than stating you think a pair is t/t. and I am really not super concerned with your choice of words, maybe ydra cares more about that, idk.

eh, i felt it was decently similar enough that i don't see why you'd be suspicious of me here but i don't think we're gonna get anything more out of this

Reason why I didn't like the way how you voted me is because this is something I have also seen scum do where they would call a player fake and that's an easy read for scum to give.

The reason why he said your townread on DV was not the best was because he thought scum would be coming in solving as well.

i dunno. like "i don't like the way you voted me because i saw scum call a player fake" and "scum would be solving too" all feel like. spewing theory that maybe is maybe isn't connected to the game and it's being used to force reads. like i don't think i see the theory being ~applied~.

does that make sense? it's 3am.

I was not satisfied with your answer and it didn't make sense to me.

[Adorable]

i think hectic is town
and i think reck is town
so their spat is t/t

if you're asking *why* i think so, i already gave some thoughts on hectic earlier and he hasn't pinged me in a bad way yet so
reck is some weird lol-gut-townread also i'm vibing with his adorable interactions

hot take doesn't necessarily have to mean "ok wow nobody's ever thought of this ever get ready to have your fuckin mind blown"
it's my way of speaking idk
like i won't just write "hectic/reck t/t" at the beginning of a post without any intro to it you feel

I don't like gut reads because that can sometimes be a good way for scum to give out a read. Your town read on Reck I need more to that than just a gut read.

[xRECKONERx]

you
still
haven't
responded
to
dv's
post

[petapan]

bulge townie


adorable in 56 you said the vote wasn't based on anything, but in 58 you said it was because of how augustus gave a fast town read. that's what people are getting on your case about. can you address this?

[DeasVail]

This is what midwaybear said when I asked what does he think of the players after I made #85.

-He said Creature's entrance seems townie and his concern over being distracted over studies is slightly townie and doesn't care much as scum. For me Creature is hard to read and I wasn't able to see how that was townie.
-He wasn't sure why Ari asked Creature who scum is. He is overall a bit too jokey.
-Said Hectic/Ydrasse back and forth seems mostly NAI and said he believed they did this in Pooky/FL.
-Said xofelf seems to be taking Reck's RVS vote a bit serious
- Said Hectic's read on Ari in post 50 he doesn't agree with. It's just a wagon and there's nothing really to be self conscious of that early.
- Said Hectic including NAI reads is interesting and didn't know what to think of it yet.
- Said Datisi townread on DV is also not the best.
- Said Datisi voting me is somewhat understandable
-Said Hectic seems townie, but it is a weak read for him.
-Said Datisi's questions on Ari mostly reflects his thoughts and thought that was good except he put a question mark in the end and it looked like he wasn't sure.
-Said Bulge asking Sirius about personal life seemed abit intrusive and he put lol in the end.

These thoughts are through #9-#87

I would have thought that one of the most striking things from a reads perspective would have been my push of you, yet midwaybear has no opinion on it.

This feels like panic asking a team-mate to help fake reads to look town.

What are you talking about? Hectic asked me how much have I spoken to my team about reads and I said that I asked my team before Hectic even asked me about reads. What you're saying makes no sense here because how am I scum panicking when I have already asked my team long ago about on what did they think of the players.

This does not answer my issue and also makes no sense.

Scum panicking would make sense at the time of post 85

[Sirius9121]

@sirius i'm still waiting for the elaboration on gypyx's read on me ok cool

there isnt any

[Adorable]

bulge townie


adorable in 56 you said the vote wasn't based on anything, but in 58 you said it was because of how augustus gave a fast town read. that's what people are getting on your case about. can you address this?

There seems to be alot of misunderstanding. I did an rvs vote on Augustus and I said was that I saw he gave a town read fast and how is he able to have a town read so fast. I didn't have a read on him when I did an rvs vote on him and I wanted to observe him more afterwards before I decide on my read on him.

[DeasVail]

Thanks for that Adorable

How did it take so long to just say that given the amount of air time the whole thing has gotten in the thread?

[DeasVail]

Part of why this has become a huge deal is because despite lots of people talking about it, you continued to post yet made no attempt to resolve the misunderstanding until now.

Why would it take so long if you have nothing to hide?

[Adorable]

Thanks for that Adorable

How did it take so long to just say that given the amount of air time the whole thing has gotten in the thread?

Sorry about that. I missed your post when I came back from my 10 hours absence. There will always be some posts I will miss from other players and that's why if there is anything I missed and did not respond you will have to ask me again.

[petapan]

so, you voted him for rvs reasons, then after you voted him, when asked about him, you read his stuff and came away wondering about the townread? is that correct?

[Adorable]

so, you voted him for rvs reasons, then after you voted him, when asked about him, you read his stuff and came away wondering about the townread? is that correct?

What happened was I saw he gave a fast town read, I did an rvs vote on him and wanted to observe him more when I come back before I decide on my read on him.

[petapan]

but you said the vote wasn't based on anything when asked?

[Adorable]

but you said the vote wasn't based on anything when asked?

The part when you said "the vote wasn't based on anything" what does that mean? I interpreted this as in I didn't give a serious vote.

[petapan]

okay.

maybe im overthinking it but dont think scum acts so blatantly self-contradictory early game and the responses seem to come from some sort of headspace where this all makes sense

[DeasVail]

Yeah probably

I think I have a townread there

[petapan]

VOTE: reck

[xRECKONERx]

sweet

[xRECKONERx]

okay.

maybe im overthinking it but dont think scum acts so blatantly self-contradictory early game and the responses seem to come from some sort of headspace where this all makes sense

this is bad though bc adorable is acting self-contradictory and i think that's town or scum indicative! i think scum, especially those unfamiliar or newer, will have a harder time staying logically consistent
they'll blurt out whatever
adorable just seems to act in a weird manner and has now stumbled over herself to re-explain why she's so contradictory
like, the idea is... "i voted someone, said it was based on nothing when asked, then retroactively gave a justification for it... then got called out on giving a retroactive justification for it, and took 100 posts to get coached by my scumteam on how to respond to it"

idk man i feel like i see people in the current site meta trying to trip over themselves to explain how scum dumbfuckery is actually to dumbfuck to be scum and the fact of the matter is uh it gets caught like that for a reason