TM 2021 - Black Flag Nightless

[Autumn Leaves]

I think mena making a deal out of you potentially being scum could help ensure your elim d3. As I said before, I think it's very likely people aren't actually going to follow through and elim you d3.

PEdit: you might be right, but I TR literally everyone except for you and mena so I can't be confident mena's partner is in the PoE.

[Shirou]

ughhhhhhhhhh

if you're town how do you think I'm gonna talk out of 3 elimination days, especially given my partner (Mena), should be the very first one to vote me today and to push me according to his posts

I don't like to this, I'm not 100% sure I'm right on Auro, I don't like to shit on other people reads

but your read/theory here is literally insane

It makes 0, I mean 0 sense. It's worse than Chennis/Shirou.

You think Menalque did all that talk about voting me today/pushing me, and coming tomorrow he's just gonna "forget it"

or do you think our secret plan is literally,

I mean, literally

3-way buss for the entire 5 days of the game (in your pov), ensuring that our unique hope of ever winning here is town collectively all voting elsewhere without any scum participation

[Shirou]

Not only that, I've made it clear to you that I'm voting you if the Auro wagon doesn't happen, its 11:15 pm on my clock, I can cancel it as fast as 45 minutes and wagon you together with Mena, convince Lilith on it since they have you on their PoE, and Joqi probably comes along

You're literally instantly on E-1, and the unique chance you had of hedging on your most possible pairs (Shirou/Mena) or (Mena/Auro), (Mena/Flopz) is gone.

I can't with this. I can't.

I refuse to lose to scum!you from now on if this is how you want to present yourself. I'm seriously considering cancelling this in the next 45 minutes and voting you for the hell of it.

[chennisden]

3 way bus

[chennisden]

anyone wanna bus me?

[Shirou]

3 way bus

No

3-way buss for the 5 days of the game

literally scum can't win without town all block voting the unique two-one extra townies on every day.

Not even sure how to win in this plan in the final day.

[chennisden]

i think we are making very many AngryVotes on people, and not ScumVotes on people

this is the problem with the d2 gamestate in general, i think

[chennisden]

3 way bus

No

3-way buss for the 5 days of the game

literally scum can't win without town all block voting the unique two-one extra townies on every day.

Not even sure how to win in this plan in the final day.

yeah honestly this is why i think what i said in 4681

people are just annoyed at each other's play (and they don't really want to articulate that, either to themselves or the thread), and i dont think ppl are scumreading each other for being scum

[chennisden]

theres just NO WAY some of what ppl think is a scum plan IS really a scum plan, man

[Shirou]

I don't even care about being wrong on Auro anymore

can someone just hammer the thing away so that if I'm wrong I can get out of this...?

[Shirou]

I've given every privilege possible to the people scum reading me, and my death, which should guarantee the game for them in their pov, was still

not

enough to convince them to do it.

I can't possibly comprehend how I could ever convince people to vote Auro without this proposition now. It would literally never happen.

It would be another Infinity vs Mena day

or Mena vs Math day

and there's still the

audacity

of saying that my actions trying to ensure Auro makes sense for a Shriou/Chennis team

I don't know anymore...

If someone has mercy on my soul, hammer Auro because if I'm wrong I still want to get off this train. Good luck Chennis.

[Autumn Leaves]

I guess auro can't survive to endgame anyway, so fine.

[Shirou]

I think there's a non-zero chance AL is Auro partner by this point, because I can't understand their reasoning/reads.

It has so much anti-synergy. It feels like he's slapping his yesterday "scum!Shirou" and previous "scum!Menalque" reads together and trying to make sense of the abomination, all the while also trying to argue that even in that universe, assuring a lynch on me tomorrow is worse than vanity voting Menalque when no one is gonna follow him, and everything indicates I'm gonna reunite with my buddy Menalque on him to get another free miselimination.

Someone explain, if not draw, how that makes sense with all due respect.

p-edit: could it be ????????????????????

[Shirou]

I'm glued to my screen Autumn.

Glued.

Make it happen.

Either result is fine to me.

[Shirou]

If you hammer him and you're town, regardless of Auro alignment I like you as player.

I'm gonna look very idiotic if Auro/Flopz is town but by this point I'm convinced I can't hope to get wagons on them without offering my head in exchange.

[Shirou]

I can tell you this much:

You're never limming Menalque today here in this position. Never.

All the core/consensus town reads are in favor of menalque, against you. You can not flip the stacks. You're at best getting ignored, at worst getting limmed here.

Even if I'm completely wrong on everything, you can now get to D4/D5 and have a better chance on Mena when people start to reconsider reads if it happens.

[Shirou]

If you get limmed here by the way, the most likely final day is gonna be about Chennis or so. It's not gonna be on Menalque.

Joqi/Lilith seems much more suspicious of Chennis than Menalque. If you get to be alive in the last days, you would be a very valuable resistance towards scum!Menalque from your pov.

[Autumn Leaves]

VOTE: auro

[Shirou]

Consider the glory of carrying this town, if you're town, when I look like an idiot when Auro/Flopz flip town, get self-limmed, and town is now at their last shoes by scum!Menalque, only to find resistance by you, and since everyone is considering reads at that point, your case on mena finally gets recognition and you proceed to get wagons/feedback of your case.

p-edit: thank you.

[Shirou]

Hmm..my stomach is getting cold...T-Bone...show us the truth...

[Shirou]

Sorry to everything I said in advance Autumn in case you're town.

I just wanted to get this wagon. This is it.

[Shirou]

Sorry to everyone in the game really.

But I don't think we could have done this wagon without this. It was hard even with all this effort, imagine without it.

I only hope I'm right/it's a happy ending but I'm not gonna complain if I'm wrong...

[chennisden]

oh we got a hammer huh

[chennisden]

i will complain if we lose

[Shirou]

i will complain if we lose

I suppose. I would have had a huge part of that loss I guess, maybe.