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VOTE: Cerb666"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Vote me you coward"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Real talk though fellow cucumber, would be amazing if we were both town. But we both know full well that if you're scum it's also in your favour to suck up to me. I probably know your play the best in this game, so favourably swinging my opinion to leave you with less scrutiny is definitely in the realm of possibilities. Gonna have to earn your spot on my nice list."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Considering that means few have had the chance to play with them it still stands :PIn post 23, Jingle wrote:
Weird flex given afaik you've both been retired for at least as long as I have.In post 22, wgeurts wrote: I probably know your play the best in this game"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Yes lolIn post 29, Jingle wrote:
Do you think Cerbs would specifically try to pocket a rusty player, though?In post 25, wgeurts wrote: Considering that means few have had the chance to play with them it still stands
Every Varsoon game somewhat faded in my memory still gives me that impression"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Jingle lightly town for trying to actively sort me and his initial stance on the doublevoting. Discussion regarding the powerup mechanic is wholly non-indicative, and really doesn't need further commentary as it only serves as a distraction from productive talk until we get clarification from the mod.In post 31, Cerberus v666 wrote: The question about approach to solving the game WAS serious though, and a tongue-in-cheek way of saying: " Hey you person who I know has, in the past, been able to wring all sorts of alignment indicative bullshit out of what I view as meaningless noise, where do you recommend I direct my own unique brand of inquisition?"
Ppedit: Nope, done with this, gonna respond separately after I get back from buying the last few bits for my upcoming Coachella trip(btw yeah semi VLA probably from the 18th through 25th, but we shall see what activity I can get in)"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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This is interesting though, cus out of literally anyone in the game as far as reads can go, Jingle isn't it.
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I have no idea who you are, but is this serious or not?In post 37, petapan wrote:
nervous energy detectedIn post 34, Jingle wrote: Stop sheeping LLD, peta. She can't read me."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Thoughts on the interactions between me, Jingle, Cerb and Peta? Fine to have null reads, but you're going to need to elaborate why you have null reads.In post 40, Adorable wrote: I'm currently null on everyone at the moment."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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No.In post 60, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
We should still probably give it toIn post 59, Radical Rat wrote:
Yeah, in this case definitely not worth actually using. RIP D1 hero solve victory chancesIn post 57, SirCakez wrote:The Fire Flower functions as a single double vote - it can be moved around but it cannot be split. The player with the power up may also choose to single vote like normal.someone, right?"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Boutta make it even more interesting!
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{Peta, Jingle}
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Alright, reread the game so far and bounced numerous ideas with my teammates. My current pulse of the board state is that at most one of Jingle/Peta can be scum, and the rest if not both fall in the bottom 5 reads of mine. Their tango so far would be an amazing yet unlikely opening act considering this is a 2-man scum team game, and would have been entirely unsolicited considering for the majority of it almost half the players were not contributing anything of substance. I lean to calling them both town, and find it more likely that the scum are currently in the lower brackets. Coincidently, that would also make this game incredibly boring if so.
I am not an outstanding scum-hunter, I town hunt and try to place myself in each players head. Bare with me for why my reads are as follows.
Peta
I will admit I personally did not like how they opened up this game but warmed up to this read after bouncing ideas with Xof who has a significantly better impressions of them than I do. Their initial vote and elaboration on Jingle left a poor impression, but I've been told that their keeping cards close to their chest until ready is par for their course, and will be a butt to read until substance does start rolling out. This aligns with what Peta says about themselves in 97.
What I have liked since though, is their interactions with Jingle to gauge them into backing off, and their recent switch to HBE which I'll get to later alongside their other reads. During my catch-up I found myself forming seemingly similar impression of Porken's and HBE. These two weren't hot topic, he initiated reads rather than following others, and his thought process flows naturally. That's all I can really ask for at this stage of the game.
Jingle
Jingle off the bat trying to take double voter discussion off the table in 14 started light town leanings, I agree with the sentiment. Discussion of the mechanic is and was complete white noise with nothing of use to come of it. His following interactions with me from 27 onwards also appear as genuine to probe, although I believe his concerns stem from a misunderstanding I'll get to in a later post. This has remained consistent through to now as evidenced in post 91 for instance. Similarly to Peta, proactive substance rich posting that displays apparent intent to sort players that I can understand and visualise consistently, is as good as I'm gonna get for a town read for now.
Radical Rat
RR is giving me nonchalant, slightly mislead, town leaning vibes as off now. Their first two posts at their worst can be read as mechanics fluffing to appear useful, with only scum having anything to gain from that. I doubt that to be the case however as they remain hung on the issue through to post 54 where interactions with Jingle relating to the matter for the basis for a shoddy vote. Seems a little dissonant from a scum perspective imo. More telling however is that I can follow their train of thought from a town perspective. Their unvote in post 79 is consistent with my view of the game at the time, and his (team's) town reads/push on CSF just don't make lots of sense for scum at the moment. His quite intense reads are a bit far-fetched, but they come across as genuine and don't appear to be artificially crafted.
CSF
CSF hasn't provided much content, nor much elaboration, but from the little substance they have provided I can see a town intent. Their vote change to Cerb in 82 and explained in 88 is a bit of stretch considering the timeframe Cerb made his few posts in, but is such a poor option to randomly go for as scum there. It's questionable, stands out, nobody will follow, just not a good take to make as scum. Paired with them indicating a town read of RR in the same posts, which I can agree with, leads me to lightly lean town on this slot myself.
Porkens
Coming in to say that they don't place much stock in early game reads in post 106 and then providing nothing of substance thereafter means I have nothing to really go off really. First had a slight town lean on them as I liked them indicating a Peta town lean in 107 which matched my view, and I could see possible thought process behind 111 leaning scum on Jingle despite disagreeing. But the post made before 107 that very same minute says that they hadn't read the game yet, which eliminates any substance there. Similarly anything of substance regarding his interaction with Jingle is dismissed in post 116. Unsure why people are town leaning here, or is it because of the above too?
Adorable
Adorable is gonna be a pain for me to sort as I didn't like any of their posting at first, with them going from stating they have no reads in post 40, to posting a whole bunch of no substance burger like in 47 and 48 etc. After consulting Xof, apparently this is just how they play and is consistent with a town game they played. Like... post 109 doesn't even make sense? I'd think it self-evident Cerb isn't town piling me there and how can you then use that as the basis for anything? This slot is going to be a headache for me to gauge.
If anything, of note is that they mentioned the double voting mechanic twice in 30 and 67. I'm interested why they were so focused on it?
Cerb
I have absolutely no lean here so far, as I need to see actual substance. I do have to say that the thought has crossed my mind that the low activity from Cerb here could be indicative of low motivation, due to a higher barrier of play. Cerb was in the past as I remember very analytical and methodical in his play, to do so as Scum knowing there's eyes on it takes more energy. It would make sense that a scum Cerb would be less willing to jump in with coachella upcoming than town cerb. This is very much a stretch however, and likely unfair. Not willing to place stock in it, but need to see Cerb in action when he's properly around.
Fate
Hasn't shown up yet.
HPE
The reason why I like Peta so much, as I don't like this slot, and I do like the timing of Peta's vote. Let's break it down:
This slot just keeps popping up, indicating activity and that it's following the game, yet never posts anything of substance. It's all comes across as for show, suspiciously like they want to appear useful but are hesitant to commit to anything that could complicate matters.
Posts 46, 50 and 51 see it making remarks that give the impression of being involved whilst when dissected, yield no concrete or substantive information as to their current thoughts. 73 and 89 are both for instance, just more nothing burger. Most, if not all the others around then, are more of the same. Peta evidently beat me to it regarding applying pressure, which I liked. Around the time I formed these thoughts in the thread his vote popped up out of nowhere.
I also really don't like post 122 in response to said vote, it is just more empty questioning without providing anything of substance. To then followup with that by criticising Jingle for not having reliable reads in 124 having not provided any themselves, to then LITERALLY in 135 stating they don't have them either whilst just calling a followup wagon vote sheep, is not a good look. I struggle to picture town intent here at this stage of the game, and that makes them my best option to vote right now.
A sidenote, to add here again, is that they too are weirdly obsessed with the double vote but even moreso than Adorable. Posts 15, 60 and 64 all come back to it.
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VOTE: HBE
I fucked that lol"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Also to add, HBE has been actively present all game so it's not that they're not invested. The response to Peta's vote was almost immediate and they've been rather frantic since."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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As promised, getting to this.In post 91, Jingle wrote:
I think if you look at it wogurts actually looks far worse in those interactions. 22 kind of implies wgeurts has the impression of being buddied, but there's no real follow up. It's very much a "look, I'm paranoid of you!" post, but I don't actually see any real paranoia. cerb otoh looks like someone who is reaching out for engagement.In post 88, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: I think Cerb's posts have been lengthy and wordy but don't have much meat to them & feel vaguely pocket-y of wgeurts
As far as other posts by wgeurtz I disliked, the pressing of Adorable this early is NAGL and the defence of me/undermining peta's push raised my brows.
I don't genuinely think Cerb was scum-buddying with me, prior to the game starting we were already excited to have the opportunity to play again and have some mafia history together. His post largely read as jest, and I responded with some pomp in turn. By itself, that post is entirely NAI. I am not paranoid of Cerb to put it simply, I'm playing along with them. ^^"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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In post 106, Porkens wrote: I’m asking more philosophically, not directly at you. Do people in general ever have reliable reads on page 5?Haven’t even read the game btw
These two posts were posted in the same minute. You cannot convince me that was a substantive town read at the time, unless your prior statement wasn't wholly accurate. I would like to know where you currently stand on people right now though?In post 107, Porkens wrote: I think that’s fucking correct. And so are you."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Why is he town?In post 146, Porkens wrote: Like literally you say I’ve contributed nothing but I e literally founded the townblock with petapan.
No it was a substantive townread and inspiration to lockdown until endgame.
How did you have a town read on him when you literally state "you hadn't read the game" and question if people ever have substantive reads at that point? Those two statements cannot both hold true, unless you're capable of reading the game in less than a minute in which case kudos to you lol"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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So just gut?In post 147, Porkens wrote: It was instantaneous"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Then what is the big issue with me saying I have nothing to go off? If you've not read the game then your input is largely useless to me. I'm not here to play vibe check simulator.In post 152, Porkens wrote: Jeeze Louise of course just gut I haven’t read the game
Also bruh, the game is 6 pages long. I've read it all twice in just a day. If you've got time to disagree with me not having an opinion on you, spend it productively and give me something instead."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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I don't like this quote either, this was one of the posts made as I was writing, but yuckIn post 137, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Need to go shopping for an actual scumread or two soon, this one thinks."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Gonna sleep now as my first wall of text in years has drained me. I do want to note, not providing any insight as to where you stand and not committing to anything is not a playstyle difference.
Tell me who you like most, tell me who you lije least. I don't care about questions posed if you never follow up."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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And I don't have the patience to deal with you right nowIn post 158, Porkens wrote: Sounds legit FOS wgeurts"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Before I get into things, major apologies here, won't happen again. Was late at night and I definitely misread before writing up my post using my notes. You really don't! I just thought to have seen it listed T.TIn post 165, Radical Rat wrote:Spoiler: This isn't actually about the game and normally I don't like to make a show of it, but it hit me particularly hard this time for some reason so... gender shit I guess, primarily @wgeurts"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Alright, so as I said before: passively playing the game is different to continuously engaging with it but providing little to no insight as to what's going on in your head. Asking for another's thoughts on something by itself doesn't tend to mean much if that's all you do, I want to know what you think of the person you're questioning, what their answer does for that, and see an active progression that aligns with town intent. And you are correct in that this is an uncharitable analysis, we're 7 pages into the game and to me your posting currently makes less sense coming from a town-motivated mindset than scum.In post 157, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Yeah, this one figured a game full of people its not played with wouldn't have a picture of it's playstyle. People have told this one before that taking a more passive backrow approach is par for the course for it, and it wants to agree? This one obviously isn't the best judge of it's own meta because it isn't always conscious of how it's actually, y'know, playing and acting, but still, this feels like a big clash of playstyle, albeit...*
But other than that:
It's obviously up to the individual's interpretation of how cool and good a post actually is in terms of solviness, but this one doesn't really think you could calleverythingyou've linked as providingnothingof substance, especially when you go and try to call me asking someone why they're voting me as "empty questioning". And what's up with trying to recontextualize 124/135? Because there is very much a difference in Jingle expressly saying they don't think they EVER have reliable reads, and this one saying it doesn't have reads at the moment. And "weirdly obsessed with the double vote" feels like a grasping at straws, to be honest. *...this also feels like a really uncharitable analysis of me either way.
You're right on the point with Jingle though, I misinterpreted that whilst writing up the wall o' text and seeing more stuff being posted. That doesn't impact much however, as the crux of my issue remains that until now I've not seen you posting anything you could be held accountable for."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Peta I requested people help me look at as with the current gamestate sorting those two is most valuable. I also got given information on Adorable as I don't know how to deal with that slot, and neither does my team it seems. Everything else is purely my own thoughts.In post 164, Radical Rat wrote: Wgeurts, if you'll indulge my curiosity, how much of that reads wall was from you, and how much was workshopped by your team?"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Also got some commentary on Jingle from Xof."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Leaning on people for minor things in the early stages of a game when you have little to go off is exactly how you get responses that can be used for more. No it's not a gotcha kinda of thing. I disagree that there was no content already. My interactions with Jingle for instance were already something of minor substance prior to 42, I saw something in them, if you don't I want to know why not.In post 162, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Most? Probably petapan, as they've been putting up a pretty good solving effort imo after some ISO reviewing, especially 90/97, or really just their posts related to Jingle in general.In post 159, wgeurts wrote: Gonna sleep now as my first wall of text in years has drained me. I do want to note, not providing any insight as to where you stand and not committing to anything is not a playstyle difference.
Tell me who you like most, tell me who you lije least. I don't care about questions posed if you never follow up.
Least? You, honestly. Other than the obvious, 42 is just a touch odd in the way it asks for people to elaborate on why they might have nullreads at a staggering 42 posts in, and this isn't exactly a 'gotcha' or anything, but you seemed to have taken a far lighter stance on power-up talk in 35 which you've since reversed both in talking about Jingle and about me. This one thinks it'll park a semi-OMGUS mostly-scumread VOTE: wgeurts on you because it just really feels like you're trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill on me.
I do not follow your second line of reasoning, my stance regarding mechanics talk was and is that it's complete fluff and of no use to town here, as stated in the post you quote. Jingle swinging in page one to essentially state that as first player is very weakly town-like behaviour. Players trying to push for talk on the doublevote can be interpreted as mildly scum-like behaviour. Analysing how people act around it is not mechanics talk, it's analysing people's reactions and intent towards it."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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As a quick note, please snip out the wall of text if you're quoting it heh, or spoiler it.In post 166, Adorable wrote: You said me, HPE, and Porkens have posted little of no substance. It is early day 1 and there will always be players posting little of no substance no matter what alignment they are. I actively play mafia elsewhere and a majority of the players over there post little of no substance and because of this I don't understand why you are making a big deal about this.
You have a very unusual playstyle that will be hard for me to read.
Out of curiosity, where do you play mafia outside of MS? I strongly disagree that there is nothing of substance in Day 1, it is far more speculative yes, but people's attitude towards a game can always be gauged no matter the stage. Do you disagree?"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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It's hard to reach out to cerb when he's not currently in the game, when he's actually here I'll more than happily bounce off them.In post 168, Jingle wrote:
This isn’t really an explanation of why what you did but an admission that it is what I was seeing. It also doesn’t really shake the feeling I got that your response was intended to make cerbs look worse.In post 144, wgeurts wrote:
I don't genuinely think Cerb was scum-buddying with me, prior to the game starting we were already excited to have the opportunity to play again and have some mafia history together. His post largely read as jest, and I responded with some pomp in turn. By itself, that post is entirely NAI. I am not paranoid of Cerb to put it simply, I'm playing along with them. ^^
I guess the question remains: what do you intend to do now to response to the reach out/establish a better groundwork to work with cerbs, and why haven’t you been doing it til now.
On a side note, what do you make of Porkens?"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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To paraphrase what was said, Xof, my teammate, told me they'd just wrapped up a game with you and that your behaviour is notedly different enough from your scum play which you were in that game. They noted they can usually tell how you approach a game with mechanics, and that you'd be more suspect had you given more strongly felt reads so far.In post 173, Jingle wrote:
Did they scumslip?In post 171, wgeurts wrote: Also got some commentary on Jingle from Xof."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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HPE, if you're town, instead of hunkering down on why people are voting you tell me who you think we should be voting instead.In post 194, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
That seems like a sketchy refusal to elaborate considering we only know for sure you've seen pages 1 and 2.In post 192, Fate wrote: Lockscum
kids these days
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You evidently never had the pleasure of playing with me when I was active. That's how I play the game, I've got a spreadsheet I note people's thought progressions, votes, and go back to once people start flipping so I can find associative-tells and patterns. Cerb at minimum can vouch, that's just how I roll.In post 196, Radical Rat wrote: The reason I ask is that while nothing in particular stands out as objectionable on its own, having such a comprehensive wall of opinions about every player (except Fate of course) so early on feels somewhat incredulous. Particularly it feels strange that you point out my reads as being too strong, even though I only actually have one read I'd consider to be anything more than a lean (CSF), inside of a wall post filled with nuanced opinions on everyone.
Just feels kinda like you felt obligated to have thoughts on everyone instead of them flowing naturally
As for your reads, strength is relative to the timeframe of the game, early on a relatively intense lean can be pretty strong. Your progression on Jingle is acceptably town-minded, your reasons for disliking CSF are sufficiently far-flung that in the given boardstate it just doesn't seem like something scum would do right then. The way you post isn't with hesitancy either, you just slap CSF with your vote and accuse him, that's what I mean by strong, intensity may be a better alternative."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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without hesitancy*"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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wait no I did write that correctly, you're not hesitant xd"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Also, Cerb, read this post of Adorable and the following by my teammate Xof thereafter from Team Mafia 2021. Adorable rolled Town there, this is just how they play, and an example of why I personally am going to have a headache sorting said slot.
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As a sidenote, I'm going to openly say it's not a good idea to judge anyone in this game for what their teammates are or aren't saying. It's a common tactic for experienced mafia in Team Mafia to muddy the waters of their reads and once again, evade accountability.In post 205, Adorable wrote: I'm checking in and getting ready for a meeting and I haven't read everything from where I left off.
When I first saw wgeurts reads list with long explanations it bothered me because it came way too soon early in day 1 and it didn't show paranoia. What stopped me from voting wgeurts is xofelf informing wgeurts about my playstyle and I started wondering if wgeurts is scum I have been thinking xofelf would not inform them about my playstyle."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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DK? Either way what do they want more of? I think they're likely town right now, their play matches what would be expected from them and later on I expect to see it progress in a certain way. His blind vote on HBE came right at the time during my reread I came to similar conclusions, and from what little info they gave as to why they did in 126 for the same reasons too. I can follow the thought process even though much hasn't been vocalised, and that's alll I really what at this stage of the game. The longer it goes on, the harder it will be to remain consistent and coherent as scum regardless.In post 211, Jingle wrote:
wogurtz, DK want's to hear more about your peta read, if you can.In post 206, wgeurts wrote: As a sidenote, I'm going to openly say it's not a good idea to judge anyone in this game for what their teammates are or aren't saying. It's a common tactic for experienced mafia in Team Mafia to muddy the waters of their reads and once again, evade accountability.
Also, I'd never weaponize hydra dissonance. How dare you."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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May I ask why you're still voting them however? As opposed to me who you've criticised or another?"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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They're giving me a whole bunch of waffle. Jingle comes in and says he's a bit suspicious of Porken's, suddenly HPE is questioning Porken's too and walks back their vote on me a little. Note that Porkens is voting with HPE. If HPE is a passive player, I want to shove them off the fence and get them to take hard stances. If they're not used to that, making them squirm will in the short term and long term be telling enough.In post 212, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
I'm not a huge fan of this post. I think evaluating people's reasons for voting itself can be a valid form of scumhunting in of itself. As for "who it thinks we should be voting instead", its vote was already on you anywayIn post 198, wgeurts wrote:
HPE, if you're town, instead of hunkering down on why people are voting you tell me who you think we should be voting instead.In post 194, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
That seems like a sketchy refusal to elaborate considering we only know for sure you've seen pages 1 and 2.In post 192, Fate wrote: Lockscum
kids these days
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Was aimed at Jingle, who do you take as town right now yourself?In post 219, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
Is this at me? I'm a bit confused by the reasoning behind its primary push (on you) - it doesn't really make much sense to meIn post 218, wgeurts wrote: May I ask why you're still voting them however? As opposed to me who you've criticised or another?"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Want to know why? The only tool you have as town is information. Where a metagame exists where it's acceptable to not provide substantive information scum can get away with more, there's simply less opportunities where they could potentially slip up. Without a constant and active stream or thought, engagement, and proactivity, it also becomes harders for others to gauge where you are. That is not a good thing."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Porkens is being useless, but that's unfortunately something people do as town as well as scum. So I need more information. Why aren't you voting Porkens over Fate, as he's not exactly giving much either? @HPE
Cerb, more importantly what is your stance on both Jingle and Peta. Those two are highest priority to sort with relative certainty."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Why did they recommend it?In post 243, Adorable wrote: A teammate of mine said I should get the double vote power which is why I said in the thread I would be willing to take it."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Okay what the hell is beetlejuicingIn post 259, Jingle wrote: I'm more concerned with the application of the tell this early. It was explicitly beetlejuicing, but beetlejuicing is really only a scumtell if it's a pattern of behavior."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Sorry, was busy past 2 days and have a work shift today at the restaurant I work at. Expect more posting in the next 24 hours, just wanted to note my absence."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Monday had to study for an exam that was on Tuesday and cooked hotpot for three friends, Tuesday and Wednesday I also had to work the evening shift at the restraunt I work as a cook for. Today, I just woke up, gonna grab coffee with a friend as we've both finally finished our examination period for this term, and then you'll get the usual activity from me again this evening. As a rule of thumb, Tuesdays/Wednesdays/Friday I'm oft going to be lower activity.In post 376, Fate wrote: I appreciate cerberus posting content before falling off the face off the earth whereas YOGURT IS WHERE
Spoiler: Hot pot soup base"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Reading, had to work an emergency shift to help out the kitchen as someone called in sick."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Got 7 more pages to go, but do I need to lure you off my wagon with more tasty temptations?In post 424, Fate wrote: also I agree the peta reads are sudden
but not so much a 'where is this all of a sudden'
more like tis been simmering since peta's been not active and it would be VERY INTERESTING to see wgeurts flip, cuz if theyre scum Ill take peta as conftown"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Counterpoint:In post 426, Fate wrote: im down to wagon anyone thats not obviosuly town
i mean thats how the game is won bois
Sichuanese boiled beef"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Okay I somehow fucked up that spoiler formatting"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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{CSF}
{Radical Rat, Petapan, Jingle}
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Page 13 rn, these are my current reads. Will be giving in-depth thoughts once done."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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I have a few things I'll get into that make it slightly more likely for you to fall town than scum, likewise with adorable. Honest to god I don't know how to properly handle either of your playstyles though.In post 432, Fate wrote: I also refuse to share a tier with adorable, I've been way scummier"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Not done yet, but straight up what on earth have Cerb/Porkens/HPE done to earn those positions? Your readslist makes it feel like I'm reading a completely different game to you.In post 377, Jingle wrote: Not caught up my list is
HPE
Adorbs
Rat
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Like, Cerb has quite demonstrably given little to nothing of value and a lot of it is wordy but not at all substantive. I cannot for the life of me follow HPE's progression, but can think of a relatively clear scum motivated one. It's reactively forming a lot of opinions. You rank Fate low and then say you think he's abrasive town and that Koba is worried they're going to get mislynched?
And then finally just karma check Porkens for town when he's done nothing whatsoever?"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Oh wait I misread, those are Koba's reads. I want whatever koba is on man."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Nevermind I need whatever your whole team is taking.In post 397, Jingle wrote: -snip-"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Okay I disagree with this and want to talk this over with you, more later.In post 399, Radical Rat wrote: I've had brewing suspicions on him for a while now, mostly because early game he seemed to be actively avoiding doing content, so I'll bite there. I don't necessarily think you're right, but peta being actually scummy to me and doubling as a sanity check on the very stylish hat sounds good.
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I do not understand the peta scum reads can anyone lay it out for me? I've read the whole thread, and Jingle seems to be like death-tunnelled on the slot, whilst others seem to just be seeing something completely contrary to what I'm seeing.
Meanwhile HPE has LITERALLY just positioned themselves AGAIN to bounce if they need be. They town read Petapan in both 261 and 162, have completely unannounced said they now scum read them, asking others to do the explaining. Previously they also softened their scum read of me as it didn't like it was going anywhere, until people picked it up again, and also magically positions to dislike Porkens when others start mentioning the slot but doesn't do anything with it.
How is this town behaviour.
Am I delirious?
I can't believe it's page 17 and I'm going to have to post my first ISOdeathtunnelcase"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Like this is why I have a spreadsheet tracking literally everything people say on anybody and get mad at people with null reads. Null reads for no reason are a lame excuse for laziness or malice.
Peta went from "most" liked to scum literally only because others are doing the same. This slot is just looking for something to stick: they've angled on me, Porkens, Fate, and Peta now and have no indication that they're considering that something must be wrong in their line of thought to end up there."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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