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In post 168, jjh927 wrote:
Do you think it's time we stopped pretending this might not be a meme game
I wanna play mafia though. :/
-Bell
Me too, so I'm not going to use my role that literally brings anix into the game on an alt account that operates under defined parameters until later in the day phase
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
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Post #189 (isolation #9) » Fri May 03, 2024 3:34 am
Postby jjh927 »
In post 180, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
so i'm struggling to see why we'd like to keep you alive when you could just literally be scum and we won't find out until the game ends. i feel like i'd rather flip you then get pleasantly surprised when the game ends after we flip 1 and a half scum. eliminating you will give us a sample red pm too and i think that's relevant because anix didn't give out anything in the first page. scum could have a crazy wild reveal on win con and having that day 1 will be enormous.
on one hand, i don't see scum going into the thread with a bunch of all-stars and then going too scummy to be scum. they're immediately going to be in the elim pool one way or the other. so I'm weighing it against the possibility that you're the 1/2 scum PR that activates some sort of ability for your team upon death.
An 11 headed hydra managing to agree on fakeclaiming death miller feels wildly unlikely to me
How likely do you think it is that scum have an abnormal wincon?
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
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Post #201 (isolation #10) » Fri May 03, 2024 4:06 am
Postby jjh927 »
In post 193, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
i dont know if an abnormal wincon is as likely as anything if anix decided to hide sample role pms. also, 11-headed scum unanimously voting to fakeclaim deathmiller is only unlikely if they're a goon or something. and that's assuming if it's a unanimous vote, not a majority/plurality. but if they're a special kind of scum that activates something upon death then it's probably going to be the top strategy, even unanimously.
I don't think anix has so much decided to hide sample role pms, rather he has just not made them.
I would rather play towards town wincon than try to gather information about and then thwart an unknown scum alternate wincon that is unlikely to exist and that is most likely beaten by playing to town wincon anyway
I'm also picking up that you think claiming death miller is a strategy for scum to get eliminated on day 1. I don't think that's true, and I think you would struggle to find scum roles that actually want to be eliminated on day 1 in terms of optimal strategy.
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
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Post #207 (isolation #12) » Fri May 03, 2024 4:21 am
Postby jjh927 »
In post 203, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
i'm not particular on day 1, but sure. also we have roles that make you choose smoke or drink, so i don't think we're playing in-the-box.
are you townreading the claim, jjh927?
I mean, this is a upick
This is specifically a upick with bastard elements
I'm townreading the claim and actually the slot as well though
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
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Post #233 (isolation #13) » Fri May 03, 2024 5:33 am
Postby jjh927 »
I would like to once again stress that this is a wacky bastard upick and my threats of bringing an anix controlled slot into the game are not unfounded
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
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Post #239 (isolation #14) » Fri May 03, 2024 5:47 am
Postby jjh927 »
HEM was putting out a very weak counterargument that limming cabal could provide information and I wanted them to elaborate so I could evaluate whether they actually believed what they were saying or not
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
In post 212, The Cabal wrote:
They did not. They’ve barely posted in the discord.
But I don’t really think they would’ve said no to what is commonly thought to be the objectively correct play.
-Bell
My point is that the argument "I wouldn't have agreed to this as scum" doesn't make sense if he didn't actually agree to it beforehand.
To further elucidate my thinking, the idea is that while this is one of the vanishingly few games I would believe a Death Miller to even be possible, I do not find it plausible. I also don't think it's a surprise to anyone that most players are going to predisposed to voting out one of us, simply due to our hydric nature. So, if you're scum, and you're expecting a high chance of dying anyway, and it's a wacky bastard U-Pick... Death Miller's not a bad claim. Prevents us from drawing real conclusions from your flip, which deters people from seeking it, and permanently hinders analysis of it if it does happen.
You are right though that claiming immediately is correct play if you aren't lying. But I just can't bring myself to believe a Death Miller exists at this point.
- Rat
To be precise, that you don't find death miller to be plausible is the thing I find issue with in a game that the moderator will literally be able to make posts in
There is a non-zero chance that kinda troll picks got kinda troll roles
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
In post 148, The Cabal wrote:
The rationale for being user aligned is that bork is a tech admin who's overriding concern is keeping the site up and running. We're a death miller because despite being as purehearted as the driven Wisconsin snow Bork likes to shovel while designing games, nevertheless his name is in red.
I don't believe this claim. Bork is by all means still an
admin
, so this leads towards bastard flavor.
Do you understand how upicks work
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
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Post #319 (isolation #29) » Mon May 06, 2024 3:45 am
Postby jjh927 »
Ah, so it wasn't that there were flat out 0 posts in the PT overall
Whoever did the extra vote yesterday is locktown because as I said, I think it is likely it caused the scum to effectively lose their nightkill equivalent for the day too
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
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Post #328 (isolation #34) » Mon May 06, 2024 3:58 am
Postby jjh927 »
Not sure if the lack of kill actually implies that somebody was warned in day 1 and so the other scum couldn't kill, or that the second scum is unable to warn someone and kill that same person simultaneously
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
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Post #335 (isolation #36) » Mon May 06, 2024 4:12 am
Postby jjh927 »
If you've forgotten that the cabal's death miller claim also appears to be mafia by all possible game interactions this will be awkward, but not impossible to get some use out of
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
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Post #340 (isolation #37) » Mon May 06, 2024 4:17 am
Postby jjh927 »
In post 337, Skygazer wrote:
i learned cabal has the same wincon as me. which if they picked drink, is at odds with something they said about their role
That is logically impossible
If cabal is lying about being a death miller it is a reasonable assumption, although it is an assumption, that they must be scum
If cabal is not lying about being a death miller then that result is impossible
I would search for another explanation
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
In post 150, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
so are you a death miller only in so far as you flip scum when you die? or if you're visited by an investigative, you'll be a positive result as well?
Both
I think Bell or Luke answered this on page 1 or 2.
here it is
so cabal may have picked smoke and lied about the miller role bc my result could not happen if what theyre saying is true and they picked drink
But in that scenario, they have the same wincon as you, which means they are town anyway?
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
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Post #420 (isolation #49) » Mon May 06, 2024 5:05 am
Postby jjh927 »
In post 375, jjh927 wrote:
I think it's a little suspicious (not of you, of AniX and the setup) that you got an alignment related statement for the death miller
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
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Post #502 (isolation #55) » Mon May 06, 2024 11:24 am
Postby jjh927 »
For future referece, there is no reason to vote anix unless you want anix to vote you. He has no alignment
The existence of the slot does block me from being limmed because he'd go in my place, so if there is ever desire to eliminate me, I will send him away
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
In post 502, jjh927 wrote:
For future referece, there is no reason to vote anix unless you want anix to vote you. He has no alignment
The existence of the slot does block me from being limmed because he'd go in my place, so if there is ever desire to eliminate me, I will send him away
do you know if he has a real vote?
Yes, I have explained that he does have a real vote
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
In post 502, jjh927 wrote:
For future referece, there is no reason to vote anix unless you want anix to vote you. He has no alignment
The existence of the slot does block me from being limmed because he'd go in my place, so if there is ever desire to eliminate me, I will send him away
Any way they could be scum or is the wording airtight?
-Bell
The wording is airtight
The slot is controlled by anix and has no wincon.
Now, because anix can and will do whatever he feels like outside of some set parameters, he can do harm or good, and being the game moderator he will know whether he is doing harm or good, but there shouldn't be any motivation behind that with respect to trying to win the game
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
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Post #522 (isolation #59) » Mon May 06, 2024 3:53 pm
Postby jjh927 »
Basically, the main impacts of AniX being in the thread are:
-If you vote me or generally suggest that I should be voted, then AniX will vote you.
-If you vote me out, AniX will be voted out instead
-I can permanently send anix away, and would do so if I was going to be voted out because while eliminating me is bad, spending 2 phases eliminating me is worse
-Things that target me will be kinda fucky in a way I don't want to explain
Disclaimer: Since AniX has been shown to have voted outside of the parameters given, it is not inconceivable to me that AniX might take the opportunity to lolhammer
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle