The Best Throne Room UPick: Day 5

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There's a snake in my boot!

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This town ain't big enough for the two of us. Firebringer

We gotta get this wagon train a-movin'!

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Yeehaw!

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There's a snake in my boot!

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Reach for the sky!

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You're my favorite deputy.

[jjh927]

There's a snake in my boot!

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Somebody's poisoned the waterhole!

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I'd like to join your posse boys, but first I'm gonna sing a little song.

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This town ain't big enough for the two of us. 123456789

[jjh927]

We gotta get this wagon train a-movin'!

[jjh927]

There's a snake in my boot!

[jjh927]

Giddy up, partner!

We gotta get this wagon train a-movin'!

[jjh927]

I'd like to join your posse boys, but first I'm gonna sing a little song.

[jjh927]

Yeehaw! You're my favorite deputy.

Somebody's poisoned the waterhole! We gotta get this wagon train a-movin'!

[jjh927]

Reach for the sky!

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Yeehaw!

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We gotta get this wagon train a-movin'!

[jjh927]

There's a snake in my boot!

[jjh927]

You're my favorite deputy.

[jjh927]

There's a snake in my boot!

[jjh927]

Somebody's poisoned the waterhole!

[jjh927]

We gotta get this wagon train a-movin'!

[jjh927]

Giddy up, partner!

[jjh927]

Somebody's poisoned the waterhole!

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Somebody's poisoned the waterhole!

There's a snake in my boot!

We gotta get this wagon train a-movin'!

[jjh927]

Reach for the sky! Reach for the sky! Reach for the sky! Somebody's poisoned the waterhole!

[jjh927]

You're my favorite deputy.

[jjh927]

Giddy up, partner!

[jjh927]

We gotta get this wagon train a-movin'!

[jjh927]

You're my favorite deputy.
You're my favorite deputy.
You're my favorite deputy.

Yeehaw!
Yeehaw!
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Yeehaw!

Giddy up, partner!
Giddy up, partner!
Giddy up, partner!
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Somebody's poisoned the waterhole!
Somebody's poisoned the waterhole!

This town ain't big enough for the two of us.

[jjh927]

There's a snake in my boot!

Giddy up, partner!

[jjh927]

Reach for the sky! Reach for the sky! Reach for the sky! Reach for the sky! Reach for the sky! Reach for the sky!

Somebody's poisoned the waterhole!

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Giddy up, partner!

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Yeehaw!

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You're my favorite deputy.

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There's a snake in my boot!

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This town ain't big enough for the two of us. PookyTheMagicalBear

I'd like to join your posse boys, but first I'm gonna sing a little song.

Giddy up, partner!
Giddy up, partner!

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Giddy up, partner!
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There's a snake in my boot!

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This town ain't big enough for the two of us. Dannflor

This town ain't big enough for the two of us.
This town ain't big enough for the two of us.
This town ain't big enough for the two of us.
This town ain't big enough for the two of us.
This town ain't big enough for the two of us.
This town ain't big enough for the two of us.
This town ain't big enough for the two of us.
This town ain't big enough for the two of us.
This town ain't big enough for the two of us.

[jjh927]

Yeehaw!

[jjh927]

This town ain't big enough for the two of us.

Somebody's poisoned the waterhole!

[jjh927]

This town ain't big enough for the two of us.

[jjh927]

I'd like to join your posse boys, but first I'm gonna sing a little song. This town ain't big enough for the two of us. We gotta get this wagon train a-movin'!

[jjh927]

We gotta get this wagon train a-movin'!

[jjh927]

There's a snake in my boot!

[jjh927]

Somebody's poisoned the waterhole!

Yeehaw!

[jjh927]

We gotta get this wagon train a-movin'!

[jjh927]

Giddy up, partner!

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Yeehaw!

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Giddy up, partner!
Giddy up, partner!

[jjh927]

We gotta get this wagon train a-movin'!
We gotta get this wagon train a-movin'!
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We gotta get this wagon train a-movin'!

[jjh927]

We gotta get this wagon train a-movin'!

[jjh927]

You're my favorite deputy.

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There's a snake in my boot!

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There's a snake in my boot!
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This town ain't big enough for the two of us. Gypyx

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Somebody's poisoned the waterhole!

There's a snake in my boot!

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There's a snake in my boot!

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This town ain't big enough for the two of us.

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This town ain't big enough for the two of us.

You're my favorite deputy.

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You're my favorite deputy.

Giddy up, partner!

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There's a snake in my boot.

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This town ain't big enough for the two of us.

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You're my favorite deputy.

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You're my favorite deputy.

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Giddy up, partner!

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You're my favorite deputy.



Yeehaw!

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You're my favorite deputy.



Yeehaw!

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There's a snake in my boot!

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You're my favorite deputy.



Yeehaw!

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Yeehaw!

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This town ain't big enough for the two of us. 123456789

[jjh927]

There's a snake in my boot!

[jjh927]

I'd like to join your posse boys, but first I'm gonna sing a little song.

[jjh927]

We gotta get this wagon train a-movin'!

[jjh927]

Somebody's poisoned the waterhole!

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Somebody's poisoned the waterhole!

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This town ain't big enough for the two of us.

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This town ain't big enough for the two of us.

[jjh927]

There's a snake in my boot!

Yeehaw!

[jjh927]

Somebody's poisoned the waterhole!

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Somebody's poisoned the waterhole!

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Giddy up, partner!

Somebody's poisoned the waterhole!

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Reach for the sky!

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We gotta get this wagon train a-movin'!

[jjh927]

Somebody's poisoned the waterhole!

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Somebody's poisoned the waterhole!

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There's a snake in my boot!

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Giddy up, partner!

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Yeehaw!

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This town ain't big enough for the two of us. jjh927

Reach for the sky!

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This town ain't big enough for the two of us. 123456789

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Reach for the sky!

[jjh927]

Okay so I no longer need to keep my post restriction having used both my shots since I no longer have any abilities left

Guilty on dannflor was a loyal thing that would have revealed our alignments to each other, which I got by not being on a town wagon (Klick counted)

Second thing was a vig that I shot kayjayqueue with, which I got for hammering a scum wagon


I was thinking numbers was the cause of me being one of the targets of the loverise in n1. Not sure if gypyx flip complicates that theory

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I think we need to kill dannflor because while I do like the idea of working with 3ps and his survivor claim mechanically explains the guilty, he did claim in response to a guilty which means there is significantly more risk in leaving him alive than if it was a more organic claim.

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That being said, I want to believe skygazer had a better reason for removing dannflor from the thread than to work with a 3p, because functionally speaking at that time killing dannflor was definitely playing to town wincon

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Yeah you should probably read the thread, even if it looks like an incomprehensible mess

I'd rather get some discussion in before ending the day now that I am unshackled though

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Now that I've properly parsed Gypyx's role I think it had no effect on 123456789 randomly redirecting cat scratch to target me

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If Dannflor IS a 3p and not just scum, then in a 15p game I would anticipate there only being 3 mafia. 4 mafia and a survivor would be a bit messed up.

As such, I am inclined to give Dannflor the opportunity to find the last scum, at least on paper

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Because the flip explains it

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Unless there is yet another redirecting role

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To clarify, I was not thinking this before the flip. I was just very confident 123456789 was scum

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Yes, he does have a history of 1 game of claiming survivor in response to a guilty

His posting restriction is posts he has made in past games
His role might literally be based off of that post

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Due to these unique circumstances, the claim is no more or less likely to be true

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It's true in any case he is still not town though

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Given that I personally got the wagon train a-movin' on 1 scum and then shot another scum I feel like I can take some liberties with regards to my first identified non-town player

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Upset at the concept of a preference to drop demands. My may be lost on setback, butt that was the fun of the challenge.

But jjh was also elementary declared town, so whatever.

I get you- I did consider just keeping it up, but there was a lot I wanted to say and no further incentive to run with it

In terms of just trying to win the game, unshackling myself is the biggest +town move I could make

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To be quite honest I need to punish the remaining scum for not nightkilling me

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I think scum thought my theme music was this and not this

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I'm going to refrain from giving reads for a little bit as I suspect they will have significant impact

I thought Dannflor's post restriction was relatively obvious to be honest but yeah


Rat, yours is that you cannot use abbreviations, right?

[jjh927]

Giddy up, partner!

This was me trying to explain that Dannflor's entire iso was, as per the previous post, deja vu

[jjh927]

Why did you remove dannflor from day 2

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It did technically help in that it made me work on killing my actual scumreads rather than the guy I got a guilty on

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I think your ability was probably best used either when we think there is 1 scum left, or at the end of a day to protect a player from being nightkilled

It's essentially like a very public jailkeep

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Ultimately he responded to a guilty by confirming its accuracy. We know definitively that he is not aligned with the town.

There's not a lot one can do to drag this situation out or muddy waters

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If that was your only ability, wouldn't breaking your post restriction free the player

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At any rate, not much point in further critique. I think you've explained the motivation and you're just town anyway

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Would say jjh's currently awake due to the amount of scumreads that were on rad rat.
Although why Pooky on start non-day stays confused - only other leads to do along was Blaze got the doctoral save.

There is some very important information that scum radical rat would know

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And yes dannflor I have explained you can post things you have posted in previous games

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I don't get why they killed pooky either

If it wasn't for my own 1 shot vig I might posit a vig existing with scum nks both failing

If it wasn't for dannflor being banned in n2 I would posit he is an SK

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It does occur to me there is a non-zero chance I caused Gypyx to die. If that is the case, I was the kill target, though I do not agree with it resolving that way.

Given that it became public that you and I had been loverised, that would make a great deal of sense if the scum nightkill had targeted me and failed on n1

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oh sick i didnt even notice kjq was maf lmao

maybe we're lucky and its just dann

Did you clock that I had claimed the vig on KJQ but without looking at the alignment of the flip? lmao

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VOTE: CSF

Btw, if radical rat's theory holds and they were the scum nightkill target, then CSF is town

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Hmm, how does 2 mafia and an SK look for balance on 15p

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Dannflor if this is multiball I am holding you personally accountable

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It does occur to me there is a non-zero chance I caused Gypyx to die. If that is the case, I was the kill target, though I do not agree with it resolving that way.

Given that it became public that you and I had been loverised, that would make a great deal of sense if the scum nightkill had targeted me and failed on n1

Why would the kill have failed on you?

Because my demonstrable read accuracy this game is not a fluke and enough players in this game know that to make me a reasonably likely target of both nightkills and protective roles

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Or maybe we do live in a simpler universe? But honestly, both unattributed kills being on moderately scumread players does kinda feel like something is off

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That's a fair point, Rat

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I'm just going to look at the phrasing of my own role with gypyx's in mind

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Yeah I'm pretty sure I'd have got a bunch of town results on all the town players who had targeted gypyx, and all those players would know I was town

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I think your theory has been dubunked, rat

[jjh927]

The playerlist reorder could very effectively troll votes

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Numbers could have used it the second he hit E-1 and then voted someone for hammer

Fortunately for (probably me) he was at E=1 for 2 ~40 minute periods and did not use that power in either of them

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That is possibly one of the most town claims possible at this time

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I think the only real candidates for non-dannflor scum are Firebringer and Enchant

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Especially Firebringer

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It took until page 23 for Firebringer to sheep me on anything and that is alarming

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You can probably do some contenty stuff, Enchant. We know you can quote stuff and respond to things that way as you reread, and your post restriction has a very wide range.

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Go find a scum that isn't dannflor and tell me about them

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Okay fine I'll wait for firebringer and see what he says

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Firebringer, I don't think you get what "not alignment indicative" means

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I'd rather not have to veer into discussion of replacements territory in order to counterargue against your stance which is very clearly rooted in discussion of replacements territory, however you have made assumptions that you are most likely not aware of

One of your assumptions is that the moderator lied

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I'm starting to think there is a mechanical reason for why you cannot seem to even consider eliminating dannflor

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Are you some kind of weird lover 3rd party scum faction

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This is interesting because of just how many times dannflor voted firebringer in day 1 tbh

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What's your post restriction, firebringer

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If I can't tell what it is it's gotta be a really easy one

Which might come with some unfortunate negative utility like vanshed got, although radical rat seems to have avoided it

Or maybe dannflor got like, werewolf flagbearer or something somehow because dannflor is a known deepwolf

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VOTE: Dannflor

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This theory is kinda nuts but
1. It holds up implausibly well in joint iso
2. Dannflor should be eliminated anyways because I did get a guilty on him and he confirmed that it was indeed a guilty

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I'm starting to think there is a mechanical reason for why you cannot seem to even consider eliminating dannflor

Maybe I just love dannflor. Is that a crime?

Yes

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We gotta get this wagon train a-movin'!

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If seeker's vote for numbers doesn't count then that's hammer

[jjh927]

We'll see about that

[jjh927]

Unless you mean that is not hammer, in which case cool we can find another vote

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I am looking forward to whatever mechanical tie dannflor has to firebringer

If he actually is a survivor it would be interesting design for him to be a lover with a mafia member

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That'd be like, 3.2 mafia members

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I agree, votecount, let's try that again

VOTE: Dannflor

[jjh927]

Dannflor was eliminated but did not die

His alignment is still not town though

[jjh927]

Also why is numbers still in the not voting part of that votecount

[jjh927]

Dannflor still being alive was something you could ask Jingle to clarify

I did recognise it was not clear at eod so I asked and spent the rest of the night phase seething

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Seeker, dannflor is known to be not town and is the default elimination. You would have been best off just voting him and keeping quiet, and you still are

[jjh927]

In other news, enchant- are you claiming a guilty on CSF?

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Okay well part of me thinks we should just killl dannflor but better this time before anyone else shows up to claim things they shouldn't

[jjh927]

So like, votes on anyone other than dannflor are very silly

[jjh927]

I am less worried about that on the basis that a "passive guilty" generally requires dannflor to have a night action of some kind

[jjh927]

We have already lost an elimination to whatever role he has

Punishing us any further for eliminating non-town players would not be good design

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We gotta get this wagon train a-movin'!

[jjh927]

Dannflor is limited to things he has already said and so it is entirely possible that this was the best way he could ask Fire what his role was. Also, please stop reading into what Dannflor is saying immediately

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Firebringer is not the cause of dannflor not being eliminated. If he was, he would not have thought dannflor was dead, and I don't think he would have realised it was somewhat unclear whether he was in order to pretend he thought that.

Dannflor's role pm is the reason he did not die when he was killed

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As a reminder, that would be dannflor's not town role PM that already wasted a perfectly good elimination and that you supposedly also have an extra bonus guilty on

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Actually that's a point

If you were actually temporarily lovers, were you not a bit surprised that you weren't dead along with the flipless dannflor, firebringer,

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Understandable

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So, it really was that you were loverised thst was the reason you didn't want to eliminate dannflor in d3? This is interesing because csf claimed a completely different action as well for n2, but it might be somehow linked

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Dannflor, I think firebringer might be scum as much as the next guy, but you are kinda confirmed to not have the town wincon and that makes your priorities a bit skewed

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I hope that we can do more than simply wound you, dannflor

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Yeah but you're very obviously not getting any information out of firebringer and there are probably reasons for that

Furthermore, given that you do not have a town role PM, I am struggling to see how this line of inquiry benefits you

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Okay, being immune to being eliminated once I get, but when it's happened twice dannflor may as well be completely and infinitely impervious to eliminations

which is pretty dumb

but aside from being dumb, means we don't have counterplay so by design Dannflor shouldn't actually be harmful to town

Now, why were there 2 kills

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I'm just gonna go through the board


seekerofjustice
Cat Scratch Fever
Radical Rat

vanshed


Dannflor - 3p, shouldn't actually be malicious because otherwise the game is stupid. We have eliminated him twice.


Enchant

Firebringer

[jjh927]

I think everyone who hasn't claimed, should


Also, I might be more willing to believe dannflor if he says whatever his wincon is

[jjh927]

CSF, was the double kill your fault

[jjh927]

Less sass and more actual content please

[jjh927]

Yes

I am certain through a combination of quotes and all 768 episodes of the simpsons you can both claim and provide some insight on slots in the game

[jjh927]

well this is awkward

Burger of the day: Firebringer

Next song is “Sweet

Love

Sugar.” Perfect timing.

Oh hell yeah all my desire to cooperate with dannflor is gone

VOTE: Firebringer

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(@.@)
Ranger-wa has no idea what's going on, but she can still do this~~~

VOTE: Dan-kun

You will diiiiieeeee.

That's the spirit.

Oh so you're claiming you did a bad vig

Why couldn't you do a good vig instead

[jjh927]

Do you have information about dannflor's role

Was it a result of trying to eliminate dannflor that killed ranger

[jjh927]

That's actually a little alarming

[jjh927]

Do we need to help you die somehow, dannflor

[jjh927]

Is firebringer stopping you from dying

[jjh927]

Bullshit, we tried to eliminate you twice

You'd have the easiest role in existence if that was true

[jjh927]

The most likely post restriction for firebringer is that he can't claim

[jjh927]

So, that is not firebringer's post restriction?

[jjh927]

Well yeah you're loverised with firebringer so I'm going with let's kill firebringer

[jjh927]

Especially if he is misleading us about his post restriction and is able to claim