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VOTE: ORAM
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Speaking of scummies I'm hoping to win Rising Star this year so I may tryhard this game
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I actually have no idea. If it's not okay then I apologize!In post 13, Gamma Emerald wrote: VOTE: Black
Was it always okay to openly campaign for receiving a Scummie? It seems to have suddenly become a popular thing to do this year-
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This kinda feels like you know I'll flip townIn post 21, ORAM wrote: Feel like anybody who actually hammered her so early would be scumclaiming anyway.-
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Ok I see. I wasn't aware. I've already been nominated fwiw, but I'll try not to talk about it anymoreIn post 22, Gamma Emerald wrote: I’m mostly applying the rules on titles on this site to the Scummies, and you aren’t supposed to ask for/propose titles for yourself outside of special events (which haven’t happened in a while?)-
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Funny, that's how I feel about your Thomith readIn post 32, Hu Tao wrote:
This seems like a stretchIn post 24, Black wrote:
This kinda feels like you know I'll flip townIn post 21, ORAM wrote: Feel like anybody who actually hammered her so early would be scumclaiming anyway.-
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Why are you framing it as him repeating information and not him giving a reason for his vote?
I agree with him that putting me at e-1 isn't necessarily scum indicative, but it's not very pro-town and I don't see any issue with him voting Testarossa for it-
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In post 49, Naerys wrote: I am not used to seeing Hu tao posts longer than one sentence-
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I kinda like Hu Tao's questions here
I don't really like Thomith saying his Testa vote was purposely weak after he got some pressure for it. To me it felt like his frustration was real and he was genuinely worried about someone not paying attention to the VC and hammering me, which I think makes sense from a competitive standpoint. But the conversation with Hu makes me think he's trying to play it off as it all being fake for the sake of reactions-
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VOTE: Thomith
I'm just having a hard time believing this is trueIn post 43, Thomith wrote: 2) I knew it was a very weak reason to vote,and knew it would bring attention to me, so I could gauge the reactions it brought to get the game moving.-
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What do you think of Thomith's responses afterward?In post 59, Gamma Emerald wrote: I think Hu Tao picked up on the same things I did, just expressed them in a way that wasn’t perfect-
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Any thoughts on the game so far?In post 76, Naerys wrote: Bloop-
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I like Testa's posts on this page. She can be town for now
Arko's posts however...meh. I'm getting bad vibes here-
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I tried to paste with ctrl+v and it submitted the post? Lmao wut
It feels a bit unnatural for Arko to think Thomith is scum in both a town!Black and scum!Black world and not be voting there, or at the very least having him lower than "null"In post 81, Arko wrote: However, the thing I DO want to add is their interactions with black generally read to me like crazy as either scum trying to follow a townie, or a scum acting pair-pair with their partner
My gut reaction is that Arko could be a Thomith partner that is positioning to flip me if Thomith ever gets flipped. I don't really like any of Arko's reads that much-
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In post 81, Arko wrote: Something is pinging to me here that black is scum. Considering I completed 1 game with them as scum... it feels similar to that game. but it also feels just mildy scummy. and then town at the same time.
This just doesn't read as very natural to me, but Arko mentioned he would go into details here later so I'm looking forward to hearing moreIn post 81, Arko wrote: I'm saying it now, I'm not feeling black as town. And I don't like it-
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Hu Tao
Testarossa
Gamma
Kittie
Naerys
ORAM
Thomith/Arko
This is about where I'm at currently-
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Hu Tao
Testarossa
Gamma
Kittie
Naerys
ORAM
Thomith/Arko
This is about where I'm at currently-
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Ok I just keep fucking up, I'm going back to sleep
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What makes you think I'm not trying to solve? And what do you mean by flat?-
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Also you say you want to pressure me but what exactly are you trying to pressure me to do? I'm active and willingly giving my reads-
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I'm curious why you don't also feel this way about players like Kittie and ORAMIn post 116, Naerys wrote: Flat as in missing the desire to catch scum
I feel like I've shown a lot more solving thoughts than just a readslist, but okIn post 116, Naerys wrote: And yes, i know you posted RL. Any good scum can do that too, though. Posting RL isnt as important as what IS in that RL-
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Yeah it's not the ordering of the reads, moreso the wordy and inflated nature of themIn post 132, Testarossa wrote: I see your point regarding his Thom read. I have my thoughts about that as well, which reads else do you dislike though? Your readlists are pretty similar after all, so I figure you must be unhappy with his reasoning
Gut. It isn't a very strong readIn post 132, Testarossa wrote: Speaking of that, on what is your scumlean on ORAM, now Klick, based on?-
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Fwiw I have this tone as town, so scumread me for it at your own riskIn post 133, Testarossa wrote: Like I am suspecting Black as well, more for the accusatory nature of her first confrontations with ORAM and Hu Tao that you tend to see from scum in early game
This read reminds me of something Shea pointed out about me recently:
I think tonally she asks all these extremely pointed questions. The questions themselves aren't always pointed but they have a tonal resonance to me of 'I think you're a baddy' which is in and of itself kind of pointed and so when she's interacting with people (including me) it frequently feels like she's scum reading them and then those interactions go nowhere because she likes to jump around and poke her nose into everything so that tone and lack of followup always kind of feels opportunistic to me.-
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Arko's case on me is hot garbage. It's based entirely on meta, and I'm not some formulaic robot that plays the exact same way every game. My play is more influenced by things like what is going on in a game and what is going on in my actual life than it is by my alignment. I think comparing my early game posting between my town and scum games is a really poor way to try and determine my alignment, and that's even more evident considering Arko's conclusion here
That being said I like Arko's posts after the case, specifically his thoughts on Klick/Hu Tao in 151. I'm getting the vibe that he's probably just tunneled town here. I think part of this read is influenced by Hu's response to the case. 158 is really bad and makes her lose some town points imo. How is a case this bad selling her on scum!me? Feels more like she's trying to push the wagon along because she's fine with the mislim
I'm still not really sure about Thomith. I like Gamma's responses over the past couple of pages and I think she's probably town-
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This just feels town to meIn post 162, Gamma Emerald wrote: Like, you seem dead-set on me being scum for…pushing a new player to provide better content??? And you additionally seem to be giving that new player a pass for what exactly???
Like, I’m not gonna play with kid gloves on, those were thrown in the wood chipper after my last off-site game. I am not gonna just let bad play snowball because a player is newer.-
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In post 91, Hu Tao wrote:
VOTE: gammaIn post 86, Gamma Emerald wrote: VOTE: kittiesecret
I don’t like the narration-esque manner of writing or the lack of any tangible content. Doesn’t feel like she actually gives a damn to solve.
Feels like pushing on a new person. They stated they were new, why not ask a specific question if you're worried she's not trying to solve?
This case on gamma is just bad. Asking questions is like the easiest thing for scum to do so I'm not sure why gamma not asking questions is scum indicativeIn post 92, Hu Tao wrote:
This is the response I'd expect from gamma if she's town. I've seen gamma ask lots of questions before so I know she's capable, so she could be scum hereIn post 87, Thomith wrote:
Hey!In post 85, Kittiesecret wrote: Good evening!
I just finished catching up, and there was a lot of things said with out a lot of things being said.
I am new I only have one game under my belt. And I don't have any day one reads on any one yet.
What do you think of Hu Tao's questioning of me?
What do you think of my responses to that questioning?
What do you think of how Black has been posting so far?
What do you think of Arko's read list? Do you agree?
I'm starting to think Hu could definitely be scum here but I can't rule out bad/inaccurate town-
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Yeah this is probably just a really bad tunnel by Arko. The case is plagued by conf biasIn post 156, Arko wrote: Hmm you do have a point that it can be faked- but I'm definitely not looking there currently. It definitely is possible, and no you aren't insane. I'll probably look at it more like, Day 2 but I'm very, very set on getting black, the fuck out of here. But yes, I can see what you mean.-
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Happy Thanksgiving to all the American scummers! I'm gonna go stuff my face now-
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Oh my bad, I must have missed the memo where e-2 was suddenly enough to fade someoneIn post 178, Hu Tao wrote: You already are E-2 why would it need my help to Elim you? This seems overly defensive for no reason
I think I made it pretty clear that I don't think Arko's case should be convincing anyone that I'm scum, which is why your 158 gives me major pause. I'm not sure why you interpret that as omgus when the progression is very transparentIn post 182, Hu Tao wrote: I don't like Black's 180 on me. Seems like omgus. Unless they are known for being defensive in this way?
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What is your read on me?In post 186, Thomith wrote:
Ok I re-read through, and to be fair, the only two people that mentioned suspecting black for mainly meta reasons, or because of previous scum behavior, was Arko and Kittiesecret.In post 172, Thomith wrote: Okay, read the black case.
The effort put in makes me feel better than I did about Arko.
To be honest, I've never hugely liked meta cases - I do kind of see the comparisons, but not sure I want to 100% commit to any kind of scum read on Black solely based off a meta case alone. I find it a little weird that from what I recall, a lot of the early suspicion on Black was purely because "she's playing like she did in other scum games", which I'm not sure how I feel about.-
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Yes I tend to get defensive as town but I don't think my read on Hu Tao was defensive at all
The fact that she described it asoverlydefensive is wild to me-
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I find it odd that you've kept your RVS vote on me and are now encouraging others to get me to e-1 despite you showing some suspicion over some of the people pushing me. Why do you think I'm scum here?In post 191, Testarossa wrote: So basically no one is really townreading Black, besides maybe Thom (if not for his paranoia), while some people seem to be vulturing above her, yet no one really wants to commit to push her to E-1 because... why?-
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Which is it? Am I confident in my reads as scum or not?In post 196, Arko wrote: 2: Black going from Hu Tao good to Hu Tao bad is definitely pinging off the ON/OFF behaviour sensor to me- one of the thing she does as scum. But Hu Tao didn't do necessarily great to me in the last few posts either. I'll look there later-
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Arko if you're town then you should seriously consider that you may be tunneled here-
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It's a little frustrating that the wagon on me consists of a Testa RVS vote that originally put me to e-1, a Naerys pressure vote based on the fact that I'm not trying to find scum (???), and an Arko tunnel that probably has something to do with the fact that I burned him as scum the last time we played together. Yet none of these players seem interested in engaging with me or asking me questions to try and sort me
It hasn't really been a fun game so far but I'm gonna keep doing my thing and sharing my thoughts and reads-
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My reads are typically very fluid at the beginning of games. Regardless, I said you lost a few town points so I'm not sure why you're interpreting that as me flipping my read on youIn post 208, Hu Tao wrote:
No, but having me as your top town read and flipping it because I see someone's meta case makes no senseIn post 185, Black wrote:
Oh my bad, I must have missed the memo where e-2 was suddenly enough to fade someoneIn post 178, Hu Tao wrote: You already are E-2 why would it need my help to Elim you? This seems overly defensive for no reason
I think I made it pretty clear that I don't think Arko's case should be convincing anyone that I'm scum, which is why your 158 gives me major pause. I'm not sure why you interpret that as omgus when the progression is very transparentIn post 182, Hu Tao wrote: I don't like Black's 180 on me. Seems like omgus. Unless they are known for being defensive in this way?
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Why do you think me and Gamma could be paired?In post 210, Hu Tao wrote:
Who said it 100% convinced me? I stated I could see it. Seems like it's being blown out of proportion for someone I'm not even votingIn post 191, Testarossa wrote: So basically no one is really townreading Black, besides maybe Thom (if not for his paranoia), while some people seem to be vulturing above her, yet no one really wants to commit to push her to E-1 because... why?
At least I don't feel she is getting bussed here in a scum world. If town, it's a bit more difficult as I might need to review some reads.
Hu Tao's 158 and 182 ping me a bit in a negative way. Would still lean rather town, but it regressed at least. Might you explain what convinced you so much in Arko's meta case?
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I'm willing to explore that wagon. My vote on Thomith is pretty stale and I still don't really trust him but he's doing more than NaerysIn post 223, Hu Tao wrote: Thus why I'm asking about Naerys. Thoughts there?
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I don't think I can read that gamma wall tonight but I'll look into it tomorrow morning-
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What is your read on Testa?In post 235, Naerys wrote:Reasons? You are just jumping at me without any explanation. Put atleast some effort, will you?
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Stale meaning it has been there awhile. I still think Thomith could be scum. And yeah I think you could be scum too but I mainly want to put pressure on you to actually do stuffIn post 240, Naerys wrote:
This post is so bad. Stale vote? Feels like you are well aware who is town and who isnt.You are trying to position yourself on a wagon that you feel like it has chance of going through.In post 226, Black wrote:
I'm willing to explore that wagon. My vote on Thomith is pretty stale and I still don't really trust him but he's doing more than NaerysIn post 223, Hu Tao wrote: Thus why I'm asking about Naerys. Thoughts there?
VOTE: Naerys
Doing more than me? Yeah, that is right. I sometimes get moody and lessen my activity a bit. Not AI for me though.-
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I still would like to hear thoughts on Testa. Her ISO has some indicators that she's solving but it doesn't feel like anything scum couldn't come up with. Her posts have this agreeable tone that I would expect from scum that is trying to blend in while not making too many enemies. I'm not sure if she is the best fade today but I'm curious what other people think about her-
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I have felt a little better about you as the game has progressed but I still can't shake the feeling that you might be scumIn post 242, Thomith wrote:
Could I ask if that's still based on early game, or has your read changed at all? Have things I've done since made you think I'm more or less likely to be scum?In post 241, Black wrote:
Stale meaning it has been there awhile. I still think Thomith could be scum. And yeah I think you could be scum too but I mainly want to put pressure on you to actually do stuffIn post 240, Naerys wrote:
This post is so bad. Stale vote? Feels like you are well aware who is town and who isnt.You are trying to position yourself on a wagon that you feel like it has chance of going through.In post 226, Black wrote:
I'm willing to explore that wagon. My vote on Thomith is pretty stale and I still don't really trust him but he's doing more than NaerysIn post 223, Hu Tao wrote: Thus why I'm asking about Naerys. Thoughts there?
VOTE: Naerys
Doing more than me? Yeah, that is right. I sometimes get moody and lessen my activity a bit. Not AI for me though.-
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Funny, that's exactly how I felt about your 112In post 245, Naerys wrote: I am still on Black. I dont like her positioning upon me. She calls it "putting a pressure on me" but to me it feels like pure opportunism.
You still never answered me when I asked you what the point of your pressure was-
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And youIn post 248, Naerys wrote:
True. Some stuff happened and i wasnt really in the mood to answer you.In post 246, Black wrote: You still never answered me when I asked you what the point of your pressure was
I wanted to see your reactions. To see if your posts will be still so flat as they felt to me.stilldon't think I'm trying to find scum? I'm curious what you think genuine scum hunting looks like-
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Can you answer 249In post 258, Naerys wrote:
Thats why i put "" there.In post 257, Hu Tao wrote: What was my case? I don't think I posted one
You have started my wagon with like 0 reasoning. Asking others what they think of me but not really elaborating on you voting me.-
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I'm wary of Klick
I'm also worried that Naerys is limbait and scum are just hanging out completely fine with our wagons competing with each other
I want to engage with Naerys more but she keeps using her moodiness as a reason to not talk to me. The frustration feels genuine. I think it could be because she's caught scum but I'm not really sure about that, and I'm more inclined to believe she's just annoyed at being wagoned as town. Like her continued push on me could be a survival tactic considering my wagon is the next best thing but that doesn't always come from scum in my experience. It could be a bad tunnel or Naerys just wanting anyone but herself dead
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VOTE: Klick
No strong case here. I thought ORAM was a little scummy and felt like she could have been frozen from being suspected by a couple of people on page 4
Klick hasn't really done anything I would consider town indicative since he replaced in. It feels like he's more willing to coast than try to solve the game-
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I don't think it's that crazy. Hammering yeah, but putting someone to e-1 in RVS can easily be dismissed as a joke or something scum probably wouldn't do, which was the case in this game. If someone isn't paying attention and accidently hammers me, or if someone purposely lolhammers me, all the attention shifts to them and scum!Testa gets a free mislimIn post 262, Thomith wrote: While it's kind of a WIFOM reason, I do still think it would be crazy for scum to E-1 on Day 1 and bring a bunch of attention to themselves
I do like this point and I agree, which is why I probably wouldn't want to fade there todayIn post 262, Thomith wrote: Testarossa's questioning is something I like as well, because the questions she is asking do seem to be helping progress the game, get peoples thoughts, and get a better idea of where everyone stands-
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I'm a little confused by this. I'm assuming you opened up Klick's iso to comment on this vote. Why didn't you take 60 seconds or so to look through it to see if he explained it? He doesn't have many posts and they're not very wordy
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No I should probably do that-
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In post 224, Gamma Emerald wrote: This feels extremely awkward, and common knowledge is that scum are more likely to be awkward at the start of the game.
These first two points I don't really agree with. Or at least I don't think awkwardness and being self-conscious are scum tells. These particular posts feel similar to town!Kittie from the game we played together (Open 888)In post 224, Gamma Emerald wrote: Another pop-in, this time making a promise of content. This feels quite self-conscious.
She did something similar in the game I referenced:In post 224, Gamma Emerald wrote: Claims to have finished catching up but shows absolutely zero work, and takes no stances whatsoever.
Kittie, Open 888 wrote:Oof a lot of early morning players in here. Y'all have been busy reading bees this morning.
(makes note to set aside time in the morning routine for reading)
overall lots of good points, mental notes are being made... withholding judgement until I have a better feel for the game.
*always watching*
I think her responding to posts coincides with her being self-conscious about not providing content. I do agree with your Arko point somewhat thoughIn post 224, Gamma Emerald wrote: After being pressured, decides to go back to respond to posts. I’ll get into this with the next wall but this approach by Kittie is one I commonly see scum pull. I also think it’s a bad look that she voices assent to Arko’s early reads but fails to have one of her own on Arko? I think in that position I would have a townread on Arko as a newbie.
Do you not think town players can be self-conscious about not playing or helping solve the game?In post 224, Gamma Emerald wrote: Another self-conscious post promising content. This one is worse than the first imo since that one was at least posted when she had done absolutely nothing of substance.
Again, not to beat a dead horse, but this is exactly how Kittie played as town. She barely live posted and a lot of her content came in the form of long catch-up posts. Perhaps she could play like this as scum too but I don't think this particular point is alignment indicative for herIn post 224, Gamma Emerald wrote: My big problem with posting most of your content in this way is it smokescreens your play in two ways. First, you make yourself unavailable for live interaction which I think in the vast majority of scenarios is the mist important way of forming reads. The second problem is you cram your thoughts into large posts which makes them harder to process or engage with, which I think tends to have an effect of causing a short-circuit of anyone trying to parse the player that does it into going “big wall of content = town”.
Overall this case isn't convincing me of scum!Kittie at all, but I do like the effort you put in-
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In post 269, Klick wrote: I want to be here more but life loves to kick off the moment I join something like this lately. Its really frustrating actually-
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