VOTE: zMuffinman
oh hey peta long time no see lmao
VOTE: Mikul
^obv scum, ez game
Why?
okay
how am I supposed to read what a vote means if there's no reason behind itIn post 37, quiet wrote:I feel like a why me response, especially in day1 where votes are p. much arbitrary, tends to be scummy. There probably is no reason, and there is nothing to defend, but it's natural to want to. On reflection, BBMolla's other post was also brief, so maybe it's meaningless, but it's what stood out to me on first glance.
vote confirmed this is absolutely scumIn post 67, Lunar Martian wrote:Hmmm.... I'm not experienced enough to say but the start of this game feels very awkward. It seems like people are trying to seem like they already know who the Mafia are but to me there's really not much to go on. Even the things other people are saying I think they're mostly reading too much in to. I'm not sure if faking confidence or being genuinely overconfident is an indication that people are Mafia though.
to push them for more contentIn post 76, Illwei wrote:So why were you voting Lunar before this post then?
my vote on youIn post 78, Lunar Martian wrote:what vote?In post 75, BBmolla wrote:vote confirmed this is absolutely scumIn post 67, Lunar Martian wrote:Hmmm.... I'm not experienced enough to say but the start of this game feels very awkward. It seems like people are trying to seem like they already know who the Mafia are but to me there's really not much to go on. Even the things other people are saying I think they're mostly reading too much in to. I'm not sure if faking confidence or being genuinely overconfident is an indication that people are Mafia though.
hop on folks we're executing this
how people respond to conflict is way more telling readswise then a bunch of people being nice to each otherIn post 88, unwnd wrote:BBMolla gives me an opposite approach, where he is already giving the answers. He's confident in himself and I think that he believes that confidence will cause things to go his way. I don't think that confidence is justified quite yet however, and I think his authority is more demanding than it is beneficial. While he may not be a newbie, the way he's approached the thread with lack of care/sensitivity makes me think he only wants to give off a tough impression instead of using it for town's benefit.
I feel like the moments where one is unsure how they're supposed to react you get the truest reactions, no?In post 95, unwnd wrote:I don't think I'm being particularly nice, but I don't know where you think newbies would even realize they were being pressured. If I were to regress back into my first few games, this type of behavior more than not scared me, and less willing to give reads. Why are you not in consideration of this aspect?In post 93, BBmolla wrote:how people respond to conflict is way more telling readswise then a bunch of people being nice to each otherIn post 88, unwnd wrote:BBMolla gives me an opposite approach, where he is already giving the answers. He's confident in himself and I think that he believes that confidence will cause things to go his way. I don't think that confidence is justified quite yet however, and I think his authority is more demanding than it is beneficial. While he may not be a newbie, the way he's approached the thread with lack of care/sensitivity makes me think he only wants to give off a tough impression instead of using it for town's benefit.
I guess my point is that's better than the alternative. I've had too many games that activity dies because we get stuck in RVS/RQS because people are too afraid to take any stances so everyone defaults to politeness and activity dies and we lose.In post 98, unwnd wrote:What happens if they lock up? Then we just run the risk of mis-limming a townie who was too scared to do anything. They don't see pressure the same way we do, and I may be biased in that regard but that's what I believe to be true. I
I'd be voting Turtle thenIn post 106, safebet222 wrote:I'm here everyone... really busy day between work and kids... will post later. In the meantime...
@BBMolla... is this vote cause I've been gone for almost 24 hours? I kind of feel that you're voting whoever has been away the longest.
I'm not forcing anyone to do anything lolIn post 108, unwnd wrote:Going to bide my time before I respond to you BBMolla. I understand your disposition but I don't think you can force others to make content.
what would I have done differently if I were searching for mafia?In post 110, Lunar Martian wrote:I'm going to VOTE: BBmolla
This feels like opportunistically pressuring the quiet newbies to see if we crack, and just placing a vote for the sake of it rather than based on searching for Mafia.
What is "that behavior" that I'm emulating?In post 135, unwnd wrote:I think BBMolla is more than capable to fake his own town behavior. Where I think he is scummy right now is that he is onlyemulatingthat behavior, and why I believe that is because I don't think any of his pushes or bravado make sense in the scope of things.
YesIn post 132, unwnd wrote:BBMolla, was Lunar's (lack) of reaction a reaction to you? He seemed to completely ignore your pressure here.
I treat newbies like I treat every other game. I keep in mind that some people might act different due to not being used to the site meta, but playing the "kind, helpful SE" is unbeneficial unless I'm scum. Unless there's some sort of early fight that becomes the center of attention, but that didn't happen here.In post 139, unwnd wrote:First bolded: I admit my read-list had a bit of nulls, but I don't understand where you see discrepancy? I normally wouldn't post something like that this early, but I wanted others to engage my thoughts directly.In post 119, safebet222 wrote:unwnd - He's obviously pinging me with what I perceive as a condescending attitude... it strikes me as interesting that he only has one scum read and 3 town reads with afistfull of nulls (as BB pointed out), the BB scum read is disingenuous... In my little experience,BB's method is common around this site, I would imagine that unwnd knows this too, and unwnd's play overall pings me as an attempt at being a powerwolf.
Second bolded: I refer to the argument I presented before in that..what's stopping BBMolla from just faking it? You're saying that his method is common but so too is that method being scum. You've referred to my own behavior being powerwolf but I think that term can be stretched out pretty far. I could make the argument that BBMolla is playing powerwolf by the way he is interacting with newbies, but I don't want to make this into circular logic.
Normally meaning a non-newbie game?In post 139, unwnd wrote:I normally wouldn't post something like that this early, but I wanted others to engage my thoughts directly.
I had the opposite reaction to Illwei's post, I thought it was kind of grossIn post 126, petapan wrote:okay, i like you
Oi thank you for finding the words for me lmaoIn post 204, safebet222 wrote:1st: Your BB read is disingenuous, I think you understand exactly what BB's style is and that its effective regardless of alignment. Also, its interesting that you're scum hunting but null read half the field...In post 139, unwnd wrote:First bolded: I admit my read-list had a bit of nulls, but I don't understand where you see discrepancy? I normally wouldn't post something like that this early, but I wanted others to engage my thoughts directly.In post 119, safebet222 wrote:unwnd - He's obviously pinging me with what I perceive as a condescending attitude... it strikes me as interesting that he only has one scum read and 3 town reads with afistfull of nulls (as BB pointed out), the BB scum read is disingenuous... In my little experience,BB's method is common around this site, I would imagine that unwnd knows this too, and unwnd's play overall pings me as an attempt at being a powerwolf.
Second bolded: I refer to the argument I presented before in that..what's stopping BBMolla from just faking it? You're saying that his method is common but so too is that method being scum. You've referred to my own behavior being powerwolf but I think that term can be stretched out pretty far. I could make the argument that BBMolla is playing powerwolf by the way he is interacting with newbies, but I don't want to make this into circular logic.
2nd: By your own admission, this is wifom. So why is BB not also worthy of status in your null pile?
This is the discrepancy.
In post 148, Illwei wrote:I should probably expant on my last commentIn post 143, BBmolla wrote:I had the opposite reaction to Illwei's post, I thought it was kind of grossIn post 126, petapan wrote:okay, i like you
What about it didn't sit right with you?
"They seem scummy for this reason... but it's invalid... anyway"In post 123, Illwei wrote:Ignoring this, I immediately dislike unwnd and safebet a tad for having full reads, despite there not really much going on. Safebet was feeling pressured it seems, and unwnd was doing it under the pretense of teaching, so...okay...
I said in 105 I wanted to hunt in the null readsIn post 144, unwnd wrote:Personally, I remain skeptical. Especially because Lunar questioned you on your vote in #87. It seemed like you realized some intelligent life in our little alien and didn't wanna be caught on a bad wagon.In post 138, BBmolla wrote:YesIn post 132, unwnd wrote:BBMolla, was Lunar's (lack) of reaction a reaction to you? He seemed to completely ignore your pressure here.
Furthermore, I think that it contradicts your own claimed behavior in your response to me initially (#105). You have had two instances to interact with players and you have instead chosen to disengage:
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If your claims in #105 were actually true, then you wouldn't be attempting the same thing not once, but twice. I think maybe even three if we count safebet. I don't believe you attempted to discern either of their alignments through interaction and instead are just placing votes and making strong remarks under a guise of scumhunting.
The first part of the statement is true, the conclusion is false.In post 146, Lunar Martian wrote:It seems we have very different ways of looking at the game, and that suggests that your thoughts possibly aren't motivated by the same things as me.In post 143, BBmolla wrote:I had the opposite reaction to Illwei's post, I thought it was kind of grossIn post 126, petapan wrote:okay, i like you
There were bigger fish to fry imo. I thought the nonreaction was enough for me to look elsewhere, but I think it's reasonable that you don't.In post 150, petapan wrote:i'm...going to be honest. i had the same thought as unwnd, i felt like you abandoned your vote on lunar far too early
If I was playing that way it would be. But that doesn't necessarily mean it is for you. But I'm noting it.In post 150, petapan wrote:do you think the way i'm playing is scummy?
I explained above but the fencesittiness bothered me, but I liked their response to me disliking it and I don't feel that strongly about it anymore.In post 150, petapan wrote:i have an instinctual distrust of early readlists and so i felt a small bond with illwei when he said that. i don't think it's a reliable tell, and i don't necessarily have any issue with the content of either unwnd or safebet's lists, which is why i'm not voting them, but i appreciate that illwei thinks that way, on a gut level it feels town to me. why did you have an issue with that post?
Fun fact, his named was actually Decimus, it was a typo lolIn post 177, fferyllt wrote:Deceius
I just don't get a lot of townpings in his post, that's all it really comes down to for me atmIn post 222, petapan wrote:meh like safebet's scumreads seem against the grain, he's hardly "safe" as you called him, and i feel likethere's some decent belief there, not a lot of caution in his language, put a lot of people as town early, hasn't backed down on his mikul scumread even though it's going against what other people say
sounds like a planIn post 227, petapan wrote:In post 223, BBmolla wrote:I just don't get a lot of townpings in his post, that's all it really comes down to for me atmIn post 222, petapan wrote:meh like safebet's scumreads seem against the grain, he's hardly "safe" as you called him, and i feel likethere's some decent belief there, not a lot of caution in his language, put a lot of people as town early, hasn't backed down on his mikul scumread even though it's going against what other people sayidk we can fight about it if you try to wagon him i guessIn post 224, BBmolla wrote:I'm not saying you're wrong necessarily
cant tell if scum or just reads the game very very differentlyIn post 229, petapan wrote:whats yr read on unwnd
VOTE: unwnd
shrugIn post 300, petapan wrote:COME ON MANIn post 297, BBmolla wrote:Hey this is bad form but I don’t want to spend another week wasting time on trying to convince y’all I’m town, so I’m just gonna hard claim that I’m probably a power role.
let's talk about it more post gameIn post 310, petapan wrote:dude cmon you could have talked to me; you shouldn't pull this crap in a newbie gameIn post 306, BBmolla wrote:shrugIn post 300, petapan wrote:COME ON MANIn post 297, BBmolla wrote:Hey this is bad form but I don’t want to spend another week wasting time on trying to convince y’all I’m town, so I’m just gonna hard claim that I’m probably a power role.
If the Turtle slot doesn't post more in the next day or so I will be voting that way, too much of a wildcard either which way
turtle was the secret scum read i mentioned a while ago but it was sort of predicated on the premise he was going to flake, and he didn't, but certainly could still be scum
Here's my scenario for you:
soudns good let's explore me beign scum tomrorowIn post 311, Mikul wrote:Molla very well could be scum and have an idea what colums we are / are not in. Not directly claiming a role could be a safe thing to do if he's half faking because as scum he would have an informed perspective of what game we are playing
In post 316, Mikul wrote:I don't think there is a reason to leave it alone. Because he is either fake claiming or he's cop or tracker. I would rather tie him to his role and not leave it open to flex in later dayphases in case he is take claiming and decides to take the 1v1
sounds good let's explore all this tomorrowIn post 317, Mikul wrote:I will say if he's fake claiming as vanilla or says that. I am auto lynching without a second thought.
i will hard claim that I am probably a power roleIn post 332, Mikul wrote:I would really like you to hard claim
I don't like this line of reasoning, it seems worse than an Info kill to me. It's voting someone out because you think you won't be able to read them later?? and you're kinda preflipping Turtle there as Village.[/quote]In post 331, Illwei wrote:[quote = Somewhere bb said]
So that means if we get to LYLO he's going to be there
we have 8 days so I'm fine waitingIn post 336, petapan wrote:i agree with the fundamental idea that mr turtle should be elim'd before ELo unless he starts contributing or claims a power role that isn't counter claimed. don't know if i want to do it day 1 when i can learn more voting elsewhere but depends a lot on how he answers my questionsIn post 328, BBmolla wrote:Here's my scenario for you:
Turtle doesn't get elimmed
Mafia don't kill him obv
So that means if we get to LYLO he's going to be there
Do you want to be in LYLO with Turtle?
I guess there's the off chance he could be a PR and that's like the only scenario where we shouldn't execute him here
okayIn post 340, Mikul wrote:VOTE: molla
I am willing to call your bluff on that. If it takes a flip to get a claim, I will take the flip.
Hard claiming helps scum more than townIn post 347, Mikul wrote:Gives you more time to work out what you are doing. I don't necessarily want to eliminate you. I want to tie you to something. After things happen it's alot easier to walk back or tailor your soft / breadcrumb to what happened. Forcing you into something makes claiming a lot harder to walk back if conflicting stuff happens.
I’ll hard claim tomorrow, if I 1v1 someone then we’re guaranteed to get one scumIn post 349, Mikul wrote:@ peta.
Again I know why you are saying this. Because of what it forces. But if he's lying , I'm telling you we are going to end up on a weird 1v1 or him totally walking back what he is saying. One that he will get a pass on from most people.
Do what you will.In post 355, Mikul wrote:@molla
Okay when tomorrow comes around. If you claim vanilla my vote is not moving for the rest of the game until you die.
In post 378, quiet wrote:Also, I'm noticing that I keep messing up my pronouns. I need to start defaulting to they. Sorry, everyone.