Newbie 1561: Puppies! (Game Over)

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Oh God not copper223 again.

Replace out.

loljk~

I'll read the game in a bit, gents.

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Yeah, I haven't read much at all, but he can be a handful. Can't link as its still ongoing.

I can tell from page one that copper is either still copper no matter his alignment or he's town again. Not fit to make that call after a single post, but we'll see where it goes.

Got only a few posts into page two before the kids started making a fuss.

I won't be fooled by that newbie card bullshit again so you'd all better get on the horse and ride the game you signed up to play. You'll learn as you go. Don't be afraid to get dirty and make mistakes -- ITS GOING TO HAPPEN -- what matters is that you develop a playstyle and have fun trying to catch scum (or trick the town).

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Someone said it in the first few pages.

I was tricked in our last game. #NeverForget

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This is by far the most interesting newbie I've been in.

The range of playstyles here is very entertaining.

Copper, I've noticed that you're calling people town and providing reason to their actions. This interests me because, IIRC, you did this a lot in our previous game... only it was to implicate people were scum. What, if anything, has changed from then until now?

Singer, why did you imply someone was dumb for thinking you couldn't brush off the potential town-slip as legitimate instead of explain why it would be silly not to explain why the town-slip was not legitimate? (This question makes sense in my head, but I'll reiterate if it doesn't.)

Jason, you have a big head. As I read through the game, I did notice that you'd been a major lurksack, but I just figured that you'd pop up later and fuel the fire of the game with juicy posts. You didn't. You only complained and have interacted with very few people. If you actually wanted people to communicate with/about you, why haven't you engaged them?

Cabd, I'm afraid of you.

Epic Warrior, you know ctrl+z is a thing, right? Like, say you highlight and delete your post again in the future. Simply hit ctrl and z and voila! It returns!

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Oh my God, a company's hold music is Rick Astley. Its the first couple lines of the chorus. This is the worst Rick Roll of all time.

Honestly, my current concerns lie in singersigner and Cabd. The former due to the question I've posed to them, and the latter due to the lack of posting. Shout out to Wazza for being a close third for similar reasons to Cabd. You're my only townread at the moment.

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I'd rather wait for mallow/you and Epic/Jason to simmer a bit more before I engage the situations either way; furthermore, I don't see anyone pressuring Cabd for any reason at all, something I'm seeing to change. I assume you're driving at a bigger picture, however, so what was your point in calling me out? More posts =/= not lurking. And he's the God damn IC. I want to see him post more. They usually die early when they're town.

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What does my lack of voting Cabd tell you?

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What makes you think I'm more concerned with Cabd than I am with singersigner?

What would you say if I were to tell you I think you're chainsaw defending Cabd?

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What was that statistic about scum-slots getting replaced in newbies?

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What's LAMIST?

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I must say I disagree with you on one point, Mr. Wazza. It is your job to convince the town that your vote is in the right place. Good town players find scum; great town players convince the town to lynch scum. There's more merit in your opinion than you're giving it. I'm not sure whether this is because its a weak read or whether you actually believe that all you have to do is vote scum and hope that people just fall in line.

Something's just not adding up for me.

UNVOTE: ++--

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I assure you that was supposed to be humor. I just wanted to break away from the frankness of the rest of the post. And I feel the need to reiterate something, since "active lurking" may have been the incorrect buzzword. Like, I get that you had shit to do, I'm not trying to fault you for your hiccups in-between posts due to real life circumstances. I just feel like you could've been talking about more when you were posting. That's all.

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Looking back, it seems I forgot to answer your question in your reads list.

As I had mentioned, no, I didn't read the thread. I didn't even click the link in the newbie queue. I saw choof and said "oh, that should be interesting." I just assumed he was replaced for lurking out after being all choof-like.

While your reads list is nice, I don't understand how you completely disregard mallow, who looks like a bigger scum-read in you list, due to... semantics? Wod usage? Not my bag of tea. But, again, here you've been gone a little longer than a day and you see nothing more to comment on other than your name being brought up. Surely something else pops out at you like, for example, paul's replacement.

I don't think this makes you scum, yet. But IGMEOY.

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Of course it doesn't. Just curious to see if there was anything else you had to say on the game state since your last appearance.

Why is paul's strange word use more scummy than mallowgeno's lack of very many words at all?

I get that you said "if" you had to pick, and that you're not flat-out stating that's who the scum in this game are, but I'm curious as to why you chose semantics over silence.

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Fair enough. I expect your full report in the morning.

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Do you always speak in code?

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Maybe, just maybe, she

doesn't

see it. That could be a thing. I didn't see it at first.

Also, join date =/= level of expertise/experience, so unless you have meta of SS absolutely killing it in several games I'd suggest you find a different avenue of attack because, right now, I think you're full of shit.

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VOTE: Drixx

I don't like that he tested the waters for a SS lynch, then immediately backed off when copper and I showed the smallest amount of resistance to it.

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Attack of person? Solid misrepresentation you got there. I've not attacked you.

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You're saying that you didn't back off.. then you agree that, after copper pointed something out, you agreed that it could've been a mistake on your part. Which is backing off, right? Sure, you didn't unvote, but you absolutely haven't even attempted to find anything else scummy about SS, nor have you continued scum-hunting her or anyone else for that matter (until I started defending "my partner," of course). Is there anything else scummy about SS?

If you don't see the town play in something, but you also don't see the scum play... doesn't that make it null? Which is essentially what you're lambasting your SS "case" with. A null play. But here's the awesome topper: because I not only disagree with your opinion but find you scummy because of it, that makes me scum.

That's rich.

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Why didn't you vote Drixx before I did?

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Your vote does seem opportunistic, but I've made the same kind of vote many times as town.

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I'd feel bad if you could quote where you actually asked me why I see singer_town. Instead you've said "I don't see where HI says why singer is town" like three times.

But I'll oblige.

Gut. Genuine posting. Town motivation.

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Its an in general thing, but specifically when you asked people not to read you town for the slip. It's WIFOM, sure, but it reads genuinely town motivated because of how easily you could've let it go as scum.

And that avatar is town as fuck.

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Isn't it arguable that Jason is doing the same thing?

What happened to your scumread on Jason?

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Were you not scum-reading him? My bad.

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We're all just going to ignore the fact that Drixx claimed VT in 399 at fucking L-3?

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No intent to hammer that. Guess I'm re-reading the thread now.

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Epic Warrior

, not sure if you know this or not, but you shouldn't claim even at L-1 unless someone claims intent to hammer. And since all four players off your lynch have expressed no desire to hammer you, my advise is that you shouldn't claim at all.

What you SHOULD do, however, is scum hunt more so I don't feel stupid for reading you newb-town.

Thanks.

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Matter of fact...

UNVOTE: Drixx
VOTE: Cabd

Your vote is terrible. Your L-1 warning is written in a way that, in my opinion, would make Epic believe he was supposed to claim before someone claimed intent to hammer. Tl;dr you know better. I don't find your posts coming from a town mindset.

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36 hours is a long time to get one more vote. Cool your tits.

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And I'd prefer people who play the game rather then those who don't.

I'm completely willing to lynch mallow.

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Has anyone played with mallow before?

Because if this is par for the course, I'd rather lynch him now rather than later while we still don't have any ties to him.

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I meant when* not while.

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Okay my Cabd vote is dumb and worthless.

UNVOTE: Cabd
VOTE: mallowgeno

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Hey.

Hey Drixx.

Hey.

Your ++-- vote is underwhelming. Do something about that.

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Lol'd even worse.

I confused his vote and mallowgeno's like a dumbass.

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Yeah guys let's lynch the newb instead of the serial lurker.

That's best for town.

I bet my fucking LIFE Warrior flips town and this wagon is scum led.

Look at mallow's ISO, look at his vote. Don't just read the posts. Look for their intent. He's lurking the hardest AT THE END OF DAY WHERE HE IS THE ONLY VIABLE COUNTERWAGON. Come the fuck on, guys.

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Whelp, EW is being wrongly lynched. Fuck this. See you D2.

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Or the real option, that he's brand new to the site and doesn't understand site meta/culture nor is he being told what he should be doing. You're just magically expecting him to do it, which is bullshit.

Epic, if you don't want to be hammered, I heavily suggest two things.

First, vote mallowgeno. We're not lynching ++-- today.

Second, provide reads. It doesn't matter if they're great. You're fucking new. Do your best.

Now I'm seriously done before I truly lose my mind over this ignorance.

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GOD DAMN IT.

We're not lynching JasonWazza today.*

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Oh, look at that. Seems mallowgeno was last on site three hours ago and didn't contribute a fucking thing. I wonder why that is.

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He hasn't played the newb card a single time since page two, so my resistance against that is absolutely irrelevant. I feel the case against him is nearly non-existent and the points made could be from a newb-town or newb-scum player and, therefore, are null points. That and he's fucking participating. If he is in fact lynched and is in fact scum, I will completely understand the onslaught tomorrow. But what I don't understand is why everyone is ignoring the slot that is ignoring everyone.

That's what really gets me.

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You're both completely right.

I have to either be scum white knighting the fuck out of my partner or scum that knows he's town because he isn't scum. Well played gg got me there. Jesus Christ. He's giving a read list because I pointed out that its fucking site meta and very helpful. We've also been bitching about mallowgeno this whole time too but hey let's keep ignoring him because he had excuses.

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407 is town as fuck.

Can we commence with the lynching of lurksack mallowgeno now, please?

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This goes back to the reason he didn't want to post a reads list in the first place. His reads aren't great. He's new. I don't know what you were expecting, but 0% of that entire post reads as fabricated to me. Your read on his slot is bad and you should feel bad.

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Doesn't mean I'm never right.

Doesn't mean you're never wrong.

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I'll play.

What were the main points for Epic_scum again? Just to make sure I didn't miss any.

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Epic Warrior, defend yourself against these points.

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Well I could tell copper why those points are weak, but I'm playing copper's game and allowing myself to step out of my pov and in to his. Its a simple request I'm making to Epic with full understanding of how it looks. Again, I don't have to appear town to be town. The notion that one should follow a set of guidelines so as to not be scum-read is asinine. That and copper flat out called me a shit mafia player.

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Actually, mallowgeno is a stronger perpetrator for the first three points of your case and you're too tunnel-visioned to see it.

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That doesn't mean his

actual scum-hunting

(which consists of one fucking person + one MENTION of someone else, wow) has been substantial. He's lurking harder even through nearly every slot saying "hey more mallow posts would sure be swell" since the beginning of the game. And, aside from two "town reads," one scum read and one mention of one more potential scum read, he's done fucking nothing. And here we are with less than a day left and he's still doing fucking nothing.

Oh, okay.

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I misread point one as simply selectively scum-hunting, as in not doing it very much.

I think the fact that mallow will soon have as many posts in his ISO as we have pages in the GAME shows that he's not giving us a whole hell of a lot to work with. I'm sorry, but you don't really expect that to change as the game continues, do you?

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Wow, you're willing to let him lurk into LyLo? That's depressing.

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You should work in PR, your artistry in spinning the situation is pretty exceptional.

So instead of refuting that mallow ever did those thing WORSE (he did), your stance now is that EW can't be town because the points still apply to him?

Bravo. That's logic at its finest.

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If singer doesn't have to do it then I'm definitely not wasting any more time on it.

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That's L-1 on mallowgeno, btw.

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Who can't count?

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I've been fighting myself not to ask you to do that for that very reason. You're town.

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You could've hammered EW. Clearly copper was mistaken.

That's a really weird thing to be that confused about.

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Why did he claim in blue?

Drixx, is your role title written in blue?

Also, he did that because he's full of shit.

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Oh, I forgot. Its not to trap anyone, I was legitimately weirded out because mine isn't blue.

Is that something I shouldn't ask? My bad.

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V/LA until Monday

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My bad, copper. You were right. I'd rather go Drixx over Epic Warrior though.

VOTE: Drixx

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She means in the sense of slots, meaning me, you, copper and Drixx.

I'm only partially willing to hammer Epic in the event there isn't someone else to do it before deadline, but I was super wrong yesterday so I'm not really doing this again just to be further insulted. So I'm just going to re-read or something.

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Looking forward to copper's retort.

Don't expect much content for the next few days, I'd imagine, due to holidays/family/life. Thread'll probably pick up way more next year.

Pedit: fuck that, I read the whole fucking thing. It makes a lot of sense. Respond to it as is.

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UNVOTE: Drixx

That should've been in the same post.

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Pointed out several things I didn't see at all

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That's not entirely true re: the setup. If they have a roleblocker, they know its only one of two setups; if they don't, they know its only one of four setups until a pr flip. So, now, scum knows exactly which setup we're in right now depending on their having a roleblocker or not.

I don't think you slipped, but I think you're logically misstepping.

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If its copper/Drixx I don't think this town has the balls to win this game, especially if we're just going to settle for the still-garbage Epic Warrior lynch on the basis that he's "less new than he lets on." We only have a remote chance if he actually flips scum, which I still don't see but won't greatly oppose today.

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Are you pondering what I'm pondering, singer?

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VOTE: copper223

Nah.

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There's Wisdom of the Crowds, but you're not a crowd.

Your ego might be.

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That's the first time you've legit broken rule number seven.

You shouldn't do that, champ.

That said, "it was a reaction test" is a likely story.

Pedit: give it some posts and I'll get back to you, Drixx.

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Sometimes even a blind squirrel can find the nut.

Goodnight for now.

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I'm going to wait for the rest of the tribe to speak before I re-enter discussion.

I'm looking at you Jason, Epic, and plusplus.

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UNVOTE: copper223

Still waiting for J-Weezy. Unvoting only to stop anyone from hammering.

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Wazza hasn't made a post worth a shit since 405.

I'm sitting on my hands until he stops sitting on his.

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Wazza hasn't made a post worth a shit since 405.

I'm sitting on my hands until he stops sitting on his.

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VOTE: copper223

What happened to that fat scum read on me?

I'll address everything I missed tomorrow afternoon.

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That's L-1 ladies.

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Epic has been pretty scarce for a whiiiiile now. That's unsettling.

Going back to what I missed now.

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Drixx -- what kind of motivation do you see in 656?

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I think I see Epic/Drixx now.

Singer and Jason's kickback nature today isn't great, though.

UNVOTE: copper223

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VOTE: Epic Warrior

We're done here. L-1.

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What made you suddenly see EW as scum?

The post I asked Drixx about (565?) pinged me as soon as I read it, which made me go back and realize the case on him makes more sense than I was giving it credit for. I understand that I'll probably have to go before Drixx tomorrow and I'm okay with that, but my confidence in that team is very high right now.

If it ends up being singer/Wazza we're fucked.

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You've produced absolutely nothing all of D2. Nothing.

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That replace out is scummy as scummy can be, no?

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Fair enough, I follow that.

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UNVOTE: Epic Warrior

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Drixx, Boonskiies is town. This is exactly how he was last we played.

He's wrong about the voting sequence, though.

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Chainsaw defense? Idk. This game hurts my head.

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Dude, my reads have been hilariously bad. I kinda let my emotions take the wheel for a while after copper and I had words. It only got worse as time went on. Right now? I have no idea. I was starting to suspect Wazza as time went on and he continued not to post, but today I've gone from copper and backed down to Epic so we could get on with this game. It's just been a drag for me this phase. Can't really fit the pieces together.

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If the common partner is Drixx, isn't that the best way to go?

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I'm pretty sure there being three days left means a compromise has to bend made.

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I'm pointing out the obvious. Did you forget singer declared she wasn't hammering EW yesterday?

I've no problem hammering EW so Idk what you're getting at there.

I actually didn't remember that about ++-- so there's that, too.

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I'm not voting for appeasement.

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Top to bottom list for me: EW/copper/Drixx, singer, Boon, ++--

First three are semi-interchangeable for ~reasons~

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Make that Boon/++-- because they're both town, period.

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I'm completely fine not going to lylo if Epic flips scum.

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Two days left.

I'll hammer Epic as soon as he's put to L-1. We don't have time for this shit anymore.

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Lol I didn't expect an immediate vote.

This is my intent to hammer on you, Epic. Claim very soon or I hammer without it.

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Idk how available I'll be closer deadline comes and we can't afford a no-lynch.

Why are you trying so hard to dick-ride me for more town points you don't need?

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Fair enough.

Though I said I'm comfortable being lynched before lylo, not that I'm not wanting to be in it. If my lynch makes lylo easier for town to win (and it should significantly since my attachment to EW is fairly heavy) then that's playing to my win condition, bro.

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VOTE: Epic Warrior

God, I hate being wrong.

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I'm going to be busy until Monday afternoon.

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I kinda stopped giving a shit about this game after I was called retarded.

Vanilla town.

Still busy. Chat soon.

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They thought copper was more likely to snuff them out.

That could mean a plethora of things (wifom), but it mostly means they thought he was better than us.

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Your theory sounds good, but in fairness I did say I'd hammer Epic basically asap. I don't know what his endgame was with the comment, but I'd hardly call it pushing to hammer.

I'm going to look into some things. I'd like to see where plusplus is at right now.

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My thoeory was that he was trying to solidify a read on me.

Sounds like a lot of wifom up there though.

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I'm game to lynch Boonskiies. His flip flop on my slot is terri-bad. Like he was ignoring my play yesterday so he'd have me here for the win. And that fake ass town-slip vote today? I don't see that coming from town.

Nine days, guys. Let's kiss the bride.

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Oh, shit. Should we mass-claim?

I know I already did, but isn't it better chance-wise for the pr to come forward today?

Or does it make more sense to try to let them get to 3p (provided we lynch correctly today) lylo?

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Mayhaps that's the wrong word, but his vote when the thread opened followed by the post right after it looks forced. Like we were supposed to read that as a town slip.

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VOTE: Boonskiies

This is the way to go today.

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That's actually pretty failed logic, Drixx.

Bring up an actual case to refute and we can discuss that in depth.

UNVOTE: Boonskiies

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Its actually more likely that only ONE of us is scum, and the lack of hammer points to his partner not wanting to pull the trigger, in my opinion.

If we were the scum team that planned to bus today (for no reason, mind you), we've done a pretty piss-poor job doing so, wouldn't you say?

The mass-claim was an attempt to think outside the box and mention something that hadn't been mentioned yet. I've already claimed, so there's nothing for me to lose in mentioning that maybe we could increase the odds of lynching scum today if we had a doctor claim.

If I think Boonskiies is scum, and we lynch Boonskiies, and he's actually scum, that's 3p lylo.

Straw man a little harder next time.

Pedit: I know I'm living tomorrow because I'm obviously the easy lynch in 3p given my play.

Again, straw man harder.

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Lol'd. Whether its technically straw man or not doesn't change the fact that you're pulling at very little and exaggerating the shit out of it. And IIRC you were hard-scum-reading me way before that post. But that's neither here nor there, unfortunately, because I still think you're town.

The only way my 3p lylo suggestion should be considered a slip is if we confirmed to not have a doc, which is impossible. I don't put stock in the potential doc saving anyone because they've done a pretty piss poor job so far. IC is 9/10 times the N1 kill and guys like copper always go next. So unless the doc had scum reads on both those slots (which is impossible because I'm the only one who scum-read either of them at all on the day before their death), the doc isn't doing too great.

That said, I'm done here.

VOTE: Boonskiies

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Oh shit, wait a second.

UNVOTE: Boonskiies

++ hadn't had a chance to hammer. Thinking...

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Had to go back and read the last page. Its not ++ imo, but if it is then fucking bravo.

VOTE: Boonskiies

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UNVOTE: Boonskiies

We've got a week. I'm going to go back and read some more.

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I think its staring us right in the face, guys. I think they're even flaunting it because town is so everywhere right now.

VOTE: Boonskiies

And singersigner is his partner. Game.

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Epic was an educated guess on my part. There wasn't a tell or anything. It just felt even MORE town than old what's his face I misread so I figured why not stick to my guns.

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This always happens to me. One game ends, the other goes into night phase.

I would've cared a little more about this game if I'd only waited it out. Prob would've still voted Boonskiies.