Mini Normal 2038: Cool Art I've Found Mafia [Game Over]

[SuperfluousNinja]

BTW I was curious if anyone was going to work the angle that I killed Nicolas Cage since he was after me, but interestingly nobody has tried that. That was going to be an instant scum read in my book.

[Sephiroth]

@Sephiroth

Can you find it in yourself to understand why a new player vs the legendary 11-2 / undefeated scum king is going to approach scum king with a massive dose of uncertainty, standoffishness, and distrust, no matter how well you may present yourself as town? Do you understand why I'm so unwilling to really give you what you want?

First of all, thank you for posting those reads. Those were exactly what I was hoping to see.

Second, sure I can understand that even if I wouldn't say legendary. But it is odd to me that you would hesitate to provide a quick read list for that reason. Sharing what you think about other players is almost always going to help town a hell of a lot more than it helps scum. Plus you have me as a null read so I guess I would've expected that more if you were scum reading me. Anyways, as I said, you posted exactly what I was hoping and it will be very helpful in my attempts to figure this game out. I sincerely appreciate that you took the time.

Its not a 'scum test', its probing the veracity of his narrative.

What narrative, and what about it isn't believable?

Narrative being your given reason for voting tictac to L-2. I didn't say it wasn't believable, I said I was probing its veracity. ie testing how well your story holds up to scrutiny.

Do you have more questions, or are you satisfied with your assessment that it doesn't hold up?

The vote still gives me weird vibes based on its quickness and relatively easy move to go to -2, but I don't disbelieve your stated reason. I'm scumreading you based on the AP vote at the beginning of the BEF wagon, and the vote on tictac just gave me weird vibes because in the world that I'm wrong about tictac I would expect to be right about you, which would be it would make sense for scum!you to push that tictac lynch. Its just one data point I'm considering but your previous suspicion of tictac totally checked out.

[tictac]

Well, good morning to yall as well

I'm late to the start of the Day, but I'm down with a tictac lynch. I don't that tictac is being framed here, and the reason why he's being voted now aligns with why I voted for him in the first place. He hard defended Bright Eyed Fish's play without much cause and without BEF showing much more than active lurking.

VOTE: tictac L-2

PEDIT: @Doughboy: what was he apologizing for?

I thougth ya voted me because my philosophy of defending being ok was 'dangerous to town', I thought it was kinda a policy at the time.
I guess it would seem like a dangerous philosophy if ya trying to use it to defend a buddy by proxy.

As seph pointed out, that thing about Bright was prompted by ya.
Ya said yer reason was interest in my RCE read, but what ya actually asked me about was to compare Bright and RCE.
Dunno why yad form the question like that unless ya wanted me to go on about how town I thought Bright looked:P

Ya were the only person agreeing with my mathpost, giving ya a reason to not vote Bright / push against his lynch / still get distancing in
And today, math isn't a valid reason to vote someone less scummy, so I don't think ya actually agreed with it. Ya just wanted to not be voting bright.

so yeah
VOTE: Light

Also AP is so totally lying, going on about how he's gonna totes shoot a townie if he's lynched (he should be bragging about his reads)
..buut that's old news, an not gonna convince anybody who doesn't already believe. I'm getting bored of pushing him tbh.
all I wanna say is:

ABSOLUTELY ALWAYS LYNCH AP IF HE TAKES YA TO LYLO. THAT IS ALWAYS A GOOD STRAT EVEN IF YA BELIEVE HIM SOMEHOW.

[tictac]

@Seph doesn't there have to be some kinda pressure involved in a chainsaw? dunno what ya think scum!me would achieve w that nick read?

[tictac]

Light Ethos
Invisibility

agreed with these two.
Light is just obscumming all over the place

I have tic as town

[tictac]

1175 is a reasonable case, and the effort put in leads me to believe that only one of them can be scum.

I don't think scum!BEF buses scum!Sashaddin that aggressively here.

Expand on this please?

[tictac]

Light Ethos
Invisibility

agreed with these two.
Light is just obscumming all over the place

I have tic as town

oh actually invis, only leans a bit scum, here. I had to include him for the joke to work.

[tictac]

the reason I didn't speculate about neightbors/masons is cause PR-spec is bad btw.

was a bit irate that nick pointed out he couldn't be a mason.
thought counterfactual scum!dough might fakeclaim and we'd get a two in one

[tictac]

BTW I was curious if anyone was going to work the angle that I killed Nicolas Cage since he was after me, but interestingly nobody has tried that. That was going to be an instant scum read in my book.

So why tell us this, and not continue to wait if people accuse ya of it?
why was it gonna be an instant scumread?

[tictac]

4 folks who think self-meta is a valid thing
Subject: Newbie 1811 | Plants! | Endgame

I actually get why Nero might think I'm scum now.

Defending is not a super special thing I reserve only to highest of townreads. Check any of my games.

In my

first newbie

I defended

Vamp

from

HI

&

Not_Mafia

while also scumreading Vamp.
In my

latest Mini

I defended

ckd

from

camn

while scumreading them both.

[tictac]

tbh I dunno why he preferred quickhammering to claiming the neighborhood. it's weird.

[tictac]

dat nightkill is weird. you'd think they'd get rid of conftown dough.
maybe that neighbor thing didn't occur to them & we dealing with scumz that are not very bright?

[Doughboy]

@AP - yeah reaction test

Towards the end of the day you posted that you were going to asses the slip but then rushed into dealing with it, so I put the vote on BEF basically to see if you would hammer it - I could tell Doughboy knew _something_ but because he didn’t come out and say neighbours I thought it was some bizarre scum defense - so even though I thought you were town I wondered if it was BEF/Dough/you all trying to slip out a lynch

Then he self hammered

I did think you were town now you are lock town for me

You couldn’t wait to hear from bef first though? That’s my issue. You town should have waited. Sure it worked out but that’s why I’m skeptical of you rn. The quick hammer was planned/coached.

[profii]

@AP - yeah reaction test

Towards the end of the day you posted that you were going to asses the slip but then rushed into dealing with it, so I put the vote on BEF basically to see if you would hammer it - I could tell Doughboy knew _something_ but because he didn’t come out and say neighbours I thought it was some bizarre scum defense - so even though I thought you were town I wondered if it was BEF/Dough/you all trying to slip out a lynch

Then he self hammered

I did think you were town now you are lock town for me

You couldn’t wait to hear from bef first though? That’s my issue. You town should have waited. Sure it worked out but that’s why I’m skeptical of you rn. The quick hammer was planned/coached.

can you clarify what this means?

You wanted me to not put someone at L-1 so that they said something else to, what? Claim neighbour (which you would have known would have happened)
this would have made people go 'oh, that explains the other thread, we wont lynch there' (I have openly stated that is the action I would have taken - I am certain I am not alone)
Therefore, your suggested course of action was to let a scum wagon die down and save BEF because you knew he was a neighbour.
My course of action was to L-1 him to test AP, sure, I will also openly state I/we got lucky that BEF panicked(?) and self hammered as I was not expecting that

but I put the L-1 on with the understanding I didn't think any of the players here were liable to lol-hammer.

I've either massively missed your point or you crazy.

[Doughboy]

I thought he was town. You as town should have waited to hear from him explain his mistake. He said he was going to claim neighbor in the neighborhood so that was what I was waiting for. It now looks like he was coached to not try and fix it and instead self hammer which means he was definitely trying to make one of his scum buddies look good.

[Doughboy]

And I think nic got killed over me because he was right about at least one other read.

His scums were bef and ninja and profli as idk. I wouldn’t be sad at all if we lynched one of those 2

[profii]

You as town should

telling people how to play is what gets up peoples backs fyi.

anyway, I've said we got lucky and I didn't expect the self hammer - I also said had I waited I would have got off that wagon so I'm going to chalk this one up to luck and say I'm ok with a scum lynch overall - it cant always be an ideal perfect world where we all play doughboys version of mafia.

[profii]

And I think nic got killed over me because he was right about at least one other read.

His scums were bef and ninja and profli as idk. I wouldn’t be sad at all if we lynched one of those 2

personally I think NC got lynched because he came so close throughout day 1 and scum knew it would be tough to push it through.

you'll be next as you are 99% IC now.

[RCEnigma]

And I think nic got killed over me because he was right about at least one other read.

His scums were bef and ninja and profli as idk. I wouldn’t be sad at all if we lynched one of those 2

personally I think NC got lynched because he came so close throughout day 1 and scum knew it would be tough to push it through.

you'll be next as you are 99% IC now.

What? Why would it be tough to lynch a slot that was nearly lynched already?

I think Dough is right about Nic having reads that forced Scums hand. Alternatively it could have been one of his town reads or a slot defending Nic and they killed him for towncred.

Something else to think about, it could be a timebuying play for AP. It's not likely he is NKed before confirmed town gets shot so there isn't a reason to question him being alive.

Hadn't seen the day started and you guys added another 5 or 6 pages so give me a bit to parse through it.

[SuperfluousNinja]

dat nightkill is weird. you'd think they'd get rid of conftown dough.
maybe that neighbor thing didn't occur to them & we dealing with scumz that are not very bright?

So I haven't played a ton of mafia, but in my experience, the "huh what a weird night kill!" post comes from scum 100% of the time.

[SuperfluousNinja]

BTW I was curious if anyone was going to work the angle that I killed Nicolas Cage since he was after me, but interestingly nobody has tried that. That was going to be an instant scum read in my book.

So why tell us this, and not continue to wait if people accuse ya of it?
why was it gonna be an instant scumread?

They would have done it by now if they were going to. It's the sort of thing that would have to be a gameplan if it's done, not something that would be brought up a day later. The window for it is past.

It's an instant scumread because of how easy it is for me to see it as a play. (easy for me since I am aware of my alignment and know that only scum could confidently work an angle like that)

[SuperfluousNinja]

dat nightkill is weird. you'd think they'd get rid of conftown dough.
maybe that neighbor thing didn't occur to them & we dealing with scumz that are not very bright?

So I haven't played a ton of mafia, but in my experience, the "huh what a weird night kill!" post comes from scum 100% of the time.

This was the other scum tell I was waiting for, btw. Was planning to give scum cred to whoever made that post. And what do you know, it came from one of my top scum reads.

[SuperfluousNinja]

tbh I dunno why he preferred quickhammering to claiming the neighborhood. it's weird.

Why does this matter? He's scum AND he's dead; why would his motivations and actions make sense? What's the point of this post?

[SuperfluousNinja]

And I think nic got killed over me because he was right about at least one other read.

His scums were bef and ninja and profli as idk. I wouldn’t be sad at all if we lynched one of those 2

personally I think NC got lynched because he came so close throughout day 1 and scum knew it would be tough to push it through.

you'll be next as you are 99% IC now.

What? Why would it be tough to lynch a slot that was nearly lynched already?

I think Dough is right about Nic having reads that forced Scums hand.

If that's true, that means you think I'm scum then? Because his other major read was that I am scum.

[tictac]

So I haven't played a ton of mafia, but in my experience, the "huh what a weird night kill!" post comes from scum 100% of the time.

do link yer experience.
Yer level of confidence here is weird for someone who has 3 completed games.

They would have done it by now if they were going to.

I wasn't in the thread and ya scumreading me.

Why does this matter? He's scum AND he's dead; why would his motivations and actions make sense? What's the point of this post?

Cause figuring out why scumz do the things they do is the point of this game?