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Almost50 · Post Post #4950 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:15 pm

I don't care what FL says, and I do NOT trust him still. The more I read his posts the more confident I am it's just him & DGB and he is trying to muddy the waters in an attempt to protect her.

I mean, he says N_M\s role doesn't go with the flipped Voyeur and soon after calls me scum with VP. He admits DGB is heavily tied with DkK but wants to eliminate VP today. This is FL flailing hard, and it's desperate FL if I've ever seen him getting desperate. He would not be as desperate if the DGB elimination wasn't the correct one. Not just because she is his scum buddy, but because she is the "mysterious role" they were hoping to endgame.

I think all his arguments are designed to protect DGB here, even if it was at the cost of his own elimination. I guess the plan was to try an eliminate one of A50/VP/N_M and take the win today, but if that failed they were prepared lose FL and DGB can argue she was being setup by the scum team or something. (Imagine id DGB is a multi-tasking Jailer/Roleblocker and manages to N_M and shoot his protection target, which would probably be you because he can't protect me tonight. Do you realize how both I and N_M would look in the proposed final 3? I would always be paranoid I misread him because why wasn't he NK'd? He would ALSO be sus of me because why would scum not shoot me knowing I'm unprotected? Result: DGB can try to get one of us to vote the other instead. That's my theory right now)

Not_Mafia · Post Post #4951 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:17 pm

In post 4948, VP Baltar wrote:I was not in this game.

I always get you and Man With No Name mixed up

Almost50 · Post Post #4952 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:18 pm

In post 4951, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 4948, VP Baltar wrote:I was not in this game.
I always get you and Man With No Name mixed up

VP does have a name though.

Not_Mafia · Post Post #4953 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:20 pm

In my defence, he's also a man

VP Baltar · Post Post #4954 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:27 pm

In post 4953, Not_Mafia wrote:In my defence, he's also a man

Tough but fair

VP Baltar · Post Post #4955 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:31 pm

In post 4947, Flavor Leaf wrote:I wanna talk to VP again before anything is decided.

You there?

VP Baltar · Post Post #4956 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:43 pm

In post 4950, Almost50 wrote:I mean, he says N_M\s role doesn't go with the flipped Voyeur and soon after calls me scum with VP. He admits DGB is heavily tied with DkK but wants to eliminate VP today. This is FL flailing hard, and it's desperate FL if I've ever seen him getting desperate. He would not be as desperate if the DGB elimination wasn't the correct one. Not just because she is his scum buddy, but because she is the "mysterious role" they were hoping to endgame.

It occured to me just now how absurd a VP-DGB or VP-A50 combo is here.

That would be FL suggesting town has ALL that power? I can't imagine a setup where that is remotely balanced.

The logic would be that at least one of FL/NM are scum here. At least, that would be my own mindset if I was town in FL's position.

I wish I had more experience with FL.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #4957 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:09 pm

Objectively, FL looks pretty bad.

He was very sketchy about the Friendly Neighbor claim. Eventually it became odd day but had not started that way (going by memory here).

As a result, he is only "confirmed" to the dead scum. DkKoba was scum read by a plethora of players from day 1 - so not an optimal choice of target by FLtown.

For N3, FL claims a roleblock. Small point but no one has been roleblocked other than him (i hope i remember correctly).

N5 he can say he confirmed himself to whoever will turn up dead, or his scumpal.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #4958 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:12 pm

A50 is having wild fantasies about me.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #4959 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:16 pm

Not only is there no evidence of a roleblock beyond FL's word, but there's no evidence of any phantasmagorical scum role.

Not_Mafia · Post Post #4960 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:17 pm

FL, why were you so certain you were not roleblocked N3?

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #4961 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:17 pm

I am having a hard time seeing VP as scum here, despite the constant low key suspicion on his player slot.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #4962 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:18 pm

In post 4960, Not_Mafia wrote:FL, why were you so certain you were not roleblocked N3?

Did he say he was

not

roleblocked?

Not_Mafia · Post Post #4963 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:24 pm

In post 4572, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 4562, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 4556, Flavor Leaf wrote:Look at how JV just skips over role block.

He knows that didn't happen because he got the Friendly Neighbor action.

In post 4545, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 4513, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 4512, VP Baltar wrote:Lemme guess, FL will claim he tried to confirm to Andres
That's what I'm expecting yeah.

FL looks even worse when they were softing Loyal when they weren't
I sent my friendly neighbor to Jackson. He is scum with DGB.

They set this entire game up to tie Dkk to me further. I would never kill Andres there, it basically means I'm 100% dead. Jackson is playing to win the long game.
Actually, you're the one that assumed you weren't roleblocked lmfao.
I wasn't roleblocked. You got my message.

VP Baltar · Post Post #4964 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:24 pm

In post 4959, DrippingGoofball wrote:Not only is there no evidence of a roleblock beyond FL's word, but there's no evidence of any phantasmagorical scum role.

This is a solid point. We haven't had a lot of people claim results, but scum knew Mark was a PR since D2 at least, yet didn't block him.

VP Baltar · Post Post #4965 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:26 pm

Plus if they had a RB, why wouldn't they RB Jackson last night and kill FN?

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #4966 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:37 pm

In post 4963, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 4572, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 4562, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 4556, Flavor Leaf wrote:Look at how JV just skips over role block.

He knows that didn't happen because he got the Friendly Neighbor action.

In post 4545, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 4513, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 4512, VP Baltar wrote:Lemme guess, FL will claim he tried to confirm to Andres
That's what I'm expecting yeah.

FL looks even worse when they were softing Loyal when they weren't
I sent my friendly neighbor to Jackson. He is scum with DGB.

They set this entire game up to tie Dkk to me further. I would never kill Andres there, it basically means I'm 100% dead. Jackson is playing to win the long game.
Actually, you're the one that assumed you weren't roleblocked lmfao.
I wasn't roleblocked. You got my message.

Was he setting up JV???

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #4967 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:38 pm

Could it be A50 and FL?

Flavor Leaf · Post Post #4968 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:47 pm

In post 4960, Not_Mafia wrote:FL, why were you so certain you were not roleblocked N3?

Confbias, i explained on the day. I go into fight or flight mode when I think I’m being setup.

Flavor Leaf · Post Post #4969 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:50 pm

In post 4948, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4931, Not_Mafia wrote:In the game the above post is quoted from (VP and A50 were both in that game too and can attest to this) I called a scum fake claim because the player was obvscum, everyone went on about how it didn't make sense for scum to fakeclaim that role and my post above was ridiculous. Guess what? The player was scum, logic is overrated, it's a social game.
I was not in this game.

FL getting frantic about me is weird.

A50, you're the person I guess I most confidently town read here. Can I get your thoughts on what FL is saying here? I know I'm not scum, so I obviously find it scummy to say I'm always scum here. But maybe I'm just being reactionary

I’m not getting frantic at all, I’ve clearly been looking at every single slot. You were away, and I had been talking to the other 3 in a way that felt townie. I was already aware 1 scum at least was there.

I specifically stated I wanted to talk to you, so i could get how it felt interacting 1 on 1, and it seems like every time i disappear, someone comes in and tries to discredit me and set up a push.

Scum are actively trying to make a gamestate where i am scummy because of my ability to obv town and genuinely game solve.

Flavor Leaf · Post Post #4970 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:52 pm

If A50 was my partner, we would have interacted far more than we did this game.

That is my forever fake mason claim buddy. Usually my tell on him is he doesn’t interact with me, but he came into this game on replacement interacting with me, but then he disappeared, so it felt off.

He always tries to hide out from my radar when he is scum, though, so i can definitely see A50 scum here, especially because he’s pushing the DGB/FL angle that was going to hand scum the victory.

Flavor Leaf · Post Post #4971 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:52 pm

In post 4965, VP Baltar wrote:Plus if they had a RB, why wouldn't they RB Jackson last night and kill FN?

Why would they ever kill me?

You keep acting like I should have been killed, but I’m the scummiest looking player in this game right now. I am never a kill here.

Flavor Leaf · Post Post #4972 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:53 pm

Roleblock is likely limited to like 2-shot or Nonconsecutive for balance

Flavor Leaf · Post Post #4973 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:55 pm

In post 4957, DrippingGoofball wrote:Objectively, FL looks pretty bad.

He was very sketchy about the Friendly Neighbor claim. Eventually it became odd day but had not started that way (going by memory here).

As a result, he is only "confirmed" to the dead scum. DkKoba was scum read by a plethora of players from day 1 - so not an optimal choice of target by FLtown.

For N3, FL claims a roleblock. Small point but no one has been roleblocked other than him (i hope i remember correctly).

N5 he can say he confirmed himself to whoever will turn up dead, or his scumpal.

Tell me about it.

Flavor Leaf · Post Post #4974 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:00 pm

Like, i get it, but 2 of you are scum, and 2 of you are getting played by scum. I’m effectively framed well. Dkk Rick rolled me they knew they had me. I knew they had me, but please please please give it the chance to at least let me try to get my FN out. We have a legitimate chance. I highly doubt scum have access to a roleblocked on night 5, unless they’re also odd night, but that’s just kind of weird.

Like I said Multitasking JOAT makes the most sense.