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[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa just seems scummier.

Which you know very well but still want to eliminate me by knowing my

town

play style.

[Salsabil Faria]

Okay maybe there's credibility to the Salsa/Marci solve if Salsa is going to say we are both suspicious and then vote me.

I'm not going to change my vote, let's see how do you eliminate me

[Salsabil Faria]

I am kinda thinking Marci Salsa.

That naked hammer was sus as fuck.

And got your message Manatee. You’re still a friendly neighbor.

Again same question, when you see my green flip, what does it tell you?

That scum would be in control of the game because we didn’t elim Marci.
Then I try again tomorrow.

In a situation like this you always elim the player most likely to be scum and hunt around them.

If for some reason Marci becomes less likely to be scum then we move onto the next most likely.

Assuming someone is scum then aiming for their partner is a recipe for failure.

That's what you're doing by assuming me and

Marci

are scum partners.
As scum, I catch up 1st, then post on the game thread according to that. If I was scum here, then I would know about the hammer from my scum!partner

Marci

and didn’t post a thing yesterday.

[Salsabil Faria]

Thinker

Yeah, keep mocking me.....

Scum!

Dwlee

vs town!

Faria

:

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[ssbm_Kyouko]

How is it bad to have my top townreads as you Kyo and omo? I didn't include the conftown there for brevity's sake

You identified the problem now.

I don’t know if I buy the excuse now but that’s sus as fuck.

It's weird to say it was for brevity's sake, imo you exclude them because it is implied they are part of the townblock as conftown. I dont see this as a reason to SR Dwlee though.

I'm no longer doubting Math, now when considering Marci's DGB vote. I also think scum!Marci is TMIing her partners in RVS if it's {DGB, Marci, Salsabil}.

Titus was also suspicious of Dwlee/omo as a unit I feel like, though she did associate omo and Math, with omo being more likely. I think it's clear her Babysit was meant to be insurance to kill a scumread in the event of her death. I think scum!Math and scum!Dwlee might have been more careful in case Titus targeted one of them. I don't think the scumteam felt they were at risk of being targeted.

That really leaves 2 of Marci, Salsabil, N_M

I think Titus was a forced kill last night.

N1 they weren’t sure of what Titus and I were trying to communicate so they didn’t know who she would likely protect. So they shot Roden who was massively townread and probably just a townreads kill.

N2 Titus becomes a forced kill and with their vote on Owo not picking up traction it’s a safe kill.

I don’t think NKA gets us far unfortunately. I think it’s going to be a purely day play thing.

What do you mean by forced kill? Why were scum forced into it?

Okay maybe there's credibility to the Salsa/Marci solve if Salsa is going to say we are both suspicious and then vote me.

Yeah probably lmao. That's definitely sus. I've also never seen town!Salsabil give up the way she did D1 when she self-voted. She usually shows more effort, and she tends to ping me early when she's town.

And you gain a Townie dead? Until I conclusively find your partner that sort of question is kinda silly. If it’s you and Dwlee you gain a day to give them some breathing room. You and Salsa means that Salsa isn’t forced to give more content.

The what you gain is dependent on your partner.

ssbm_kyouko considered me part of their townblock thing

what do i gain from making a scummy hammer, and ruining my chances at that townblock..?
if i was scum surely i would want to milk the townblock for all it worth, hmm?

sacrificing how towny i seem, just to get a townie miselimed and then be sused right after is not a move i would make

Maybe you didnt know it was a hammer and wanted to get on with the wagon I was leading for appearances. Or it's just WIFOM.

argh, this feels like scm trying to direct a vote. We are too close to losing and too many people making bets on tomorrow if someone doesn't flip scum today.

I still want to look at Math from Day 1

but then ssbm_Kyouko + marcistar on both wagons.

not mafia just dodging the game.

known town roles are

me - informed child
titus - babysitter
manatee - friendly neighbour

that is it so far right?

Yes, speaking of roles, Dwlee beat me to it:

We should probably mass claim today BTW

We should mass claim, from the bottom up, since we're probably 1 ME away from MELO.
Salsa/Marci/N_M
Dwlee
Me/MathBlade

I think the exact order doesnt matter as long as we follow these tiers. Manatee/geraintm, would either of you reorder these tiers?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

That may have been misleading. I said from the bottom up, but then I ordered a lost with the "bottom" players at the top. Start with salsa/marci/N_M, then dwlee, them math and I

[Dwlee99]

Aw I appreciate the faith in me

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I would have N_M in dwlee tier but hes been mostly absent, so out of concern for his activity, I'd just like him not to have to wait for anyone else's claims, and to claim next time he posts

[Salsabil Faria]

Okay maybe there's credibility to the Salsa/Marci solve if Salsa is going to say we are both suspicious and then vote me.

Yeah probably lmao. That's definitely sus. I've also never seen town!Salsabil give up the way she did D1 when she self-voted. She usually shows more effort, and she tends to ping me early when she's town.

1. You clearly don't know me at all.
2. If I never did something before, how do you know that??? It's a silly assumption to make...

We should mass claim, from the bottom up, since we're probably 1 ME away from MELO.
Salsa/Marci/N_M
Dwlee
Me/MathBlade

I think the exact order doesnt matter as long as we follow these tiers. Manatee/geraintm, would either of you reorder these tiers?

VT

[Salsabil Faria]

If you guys decide to eliminate me no matter what, tell me already, I don’t want to waste my time here.

[Salsabil Faria]

Aw I appreciate the faith in me

Of course you will

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also N_M being absent so much could indicate he could have missed the 'friendly' crumb as well, so that bottom 3 are all pairings that would have missed the crumb and not killed manatee for it

Pedit: I've been in 2 games with town!you, I incorrectly SRed you in the first one, and I killed you as scum in the second one because I'd seen how much effort you'll put in as town before.

And thanks for claim, Marci claim next?

[Salsabil Faria]

geraint is town btw

How??

He got a town role pm

How town!you would know that??

@Not_Mafia

, don't ignore this time.

[Salsabil Faria]

Also N_M being absent so much could indicate he could have missed the 'friendly' crumb as well, so that bottom 3 are all pairings that would have missed the crumb and not killed manatee for it

Pedit: I've been in 2 games with town!you, I incorrectly SRed you in the first one, and I killed you as scum in the second one because I'd seen how much effort you'll put in as town before.

And thanks for claim, Marci claim next?

That's not true! My effort/activity depends on my rl stuff, which you miss here clearly because I'm busy!

[Salsabil Faria]

The

Dwlee

wagon isn’t working but people scumread this slot from D1....

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Btw in reading Marci's response I realize I confused Dwlee for a replacement in this game because he just replaced into another ongoing game. So my point on her feeling bad for a replacement like she did as town in OMB is different now - this is something she did as town before, feeling bad for a replacement. But in this game her vote stays on the replacement and she feels bad for someone else.

[Dwlee99]

You had me convinced I replaced in

[T3]

Votecount:

• Dwlee99 (1): Salsabil Faria

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2021-08-06 08:56:01).
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Spoiler: Votes Since Last Votecount

Personally I think Marci fits the VCA a lot better.

It explains why the wagon stalled. Marci had a lag vote on DGB she planned to move then boom Kyo wagons DGB out of no where and she can’t move it.

Then the rest of us hurry on with the flash wagon and her partner can’t move.

It’s possible that Marci is town and Kyo is a deep wolf but I think it’s more likely Marci here.

VOTE: Marci

Kyo/you/omo but omo is dead now.

VOTE: Unvote

Damn couple things missing here for sure.

Btw, I think it's

Dwlee

&

Marci

...

VOTE: Dwlee

I'm no longer doubting Math, now when considering Marci's DGB vote. I also think scum!Marci is TMIing her partners in RVS if it's {DGB, Marci, Salsabil}.

Titus was also suspicious of Dwlee/omo as a unit I feel like, though she did associate omo and Math, with omo being more likely. I think it's clear her Babysit was meant to be insurance to kill a scumread in the event of her death. I think scum!Math and scum!Dwlee might have been more careful in case Titus targeted one of them. I don't think the scumteam felt they were at risk of being targeted.

That really leaves 2 of Marci, Salsabil, N_M

Wait, I forget about

Not_Mafia

....

Dwlee

's green flip will show the scumteam of

Marci

&

Not_Mafia

.
I'm more sure about

Marci

now than

Dwlee

(want to consider

Omo

's read here), so I'm switching my vote...

UNVOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Marci

Salsa > Marci > Kyo (except Kyo gives me the deepwolg heebie jeebies)

Ok,

Dwlee

is scum! Partner is either

Marci

or

Not_Mafia

.

UNVOTE: Marci

VOTE: Dwlee

Final vote of today!

[marcistar]

i feel incredibly bad for that hammer but like i lowkey didnt know it was a hammer, i thought i would be able to wake up and explain it later.
i should 100% be punished if the numbers call for it

(WAIT GUYS LOWKEY WHATS THE RULES ON SELFVOTING- AM I ALLOWED TO DO IT HERE OR IS THAT AGAINST THE RULES)

No, you're allowed...
Do you use AtE as any alignment?

i think i do

And thanks for claim, Marci claim next?

vt

[ManateeDude]

kyos order is good!

[ManateeDude]

salsas AtE feels pretty forced and unhelpful,, im liking marci a lot more rn but i still am of the mindset theyre a team and don't much care what order they go in

[ssbm_Kyouko]

If prod timers are 48 hrs without a night reset, N_M is due about 10 minutes ago, or in about 3 hours if T3 extends it due to day starting early. Not sure if there's a reset or not though, I pmed T3 about it but he's doing Debate today anyways. We could be waiting up to 72 hrs for N_M's claim if there was a reset to the prod timer though.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

We have 7 days though so we can wait if needed

[MathBlade]

argh, this feels like scm trying to direct a vote. We are too close to losing and too many people making bets on tomorrow if someone doesn't flip scum today.

I still want to look at Math from Day 1

but then ssbm_Kyouko + marcistar on both wagons.

not mafia just dodging the game.

known town roles are

me - informed child
titus - babysitter
manatee - friendly neighbour

that is it so far right?

Look I am going to be really blunt here.

You want to sort me because of something nebulous D1 then do it. Ask me shit. Interact with me. Because right now this is just shade. What scum can then do is kill you and say “Oh look Math fear killed G” whenever one of Manatee or you are shot OR they can shoot Manatee and then support your bad read tomorrow.

So real talk whoever you want to sort just do it and find who is the most likely scum and push there.

Find whoever you want to hunt and then look at the gamestate. Assume they are scum and what conclusions arise. Towns work well when we deal with the most probable.

Both you and Manatee imho are far too passive. It’s almost a guarantee scum kill one of you tonight. I really want both of you to lead here.

[MathBlade]

I am kinda thinking Marci Salsa.

That naked hammer was sus as fuck.

And got your message Manatee. You’re still a friendly neighbor.

Again same question, when you see my green flip, what does it tell you?

That scum would be in control of the game because we didn’t elim Marci.
Then I try again tomorrow.

In a situation like this you always elim the player most likely to be scum and hunt around them.

If for some reason Marci becomes less likely to be scum then we move onto the next most likely.

Assuming someone is scum then aiming for their partner is a recipe for failure.

That's what you're doing by assuming me and

Marci

are scum partners.
As scum, I catch up 1st, then post on the game thread according to that. If I was scum here, then I would know about the hammer from my scum!partner

Marci

and didn’t post a thing yesterday.

I have many possible worlds, you and Marci is one of the most probable. I am not “assuming” you’re partners and then wagoning you. This is a gross misrepresentation.

I know there absolutely has to be a scum on the max wagon yesterday so it merely becomes a matter of how that wagon came to fruition. Was it scum driven or town driven? Did Kyo + Marci do a quick double hammer and pray no one notice due to limited VCs? The best way to figure out what happened is to build hypothesis and then test them.

Everyone here feels far too lax here. “Oh we have two conf town this is fine”. Like this is infuriating.