mini normal 2226; who won

[MathBlade]

I don't see any reason why not to E-1 Flubber.

VOTE: T3

Policy til I am caught up.

Threatening to E-1 when a replacement comes in and denying town a chance to read me is scummy AF

[Lukewarm]

So, I was just like checking to see if Math has had any games with T3, or if I was going to have to explain that T3 is T3.

Found one, was looking to see how T3 T3 was that game -- he was very T3 btw

Spoiler:

Murder panicking at A50 analysis.

Catching up.
Mcs response to A50 gut pinged me the same way and I think Titus gets townpoints for this. VOTE: MURDERCATpedit: Hammer?

I believe it is. he was E-3 in the last VC, then Toog, slimer and you

Fuck

I accidentally lolhammered a scumreadin my first game.. now this

@T3: I don't see how you "accidentally" hammered when you had a P-edit suggesting you did see that MC was @E-1

My reaction was like: Hammer? [SUBMIT]
2 seconds later
WAIT THAT WAS HAMMER

So, like, yeah Mathblade has seen T3 do things like this.

But, also, I saw Toog's response to the situation, and found it quite funny

Spoiler:

Do you have a game where you did townie things and got town read for them, T3?

[Gamma Emerald]

Hello MethBlade!

MonkaS

[Vulture]

Sorry, was busy today.

[MathBlade]

So, I was just like checking to see if Math has had any games with T3, or if I was going to have to explain that T3 is T3.

Found one, was looking to see how T3 T3 was that game -- he was very T3 btw

Spoiler:

Murder panicking at A50 analysis.

Catching up.
Mcs response to A50 gut pinged me the same way and I think Titus gets townpoints for this. VOTE: MURDERCATpedit: Hammer?

I believe it is. he was E-3 in the last VC, then Toog, slimer and you

Fuck

I accidentally lolhammered a scumreadin my first game.. now this

@T3: I don't see how you "accidentally" hammered when you had a P-edit suggesting you did see that MC was @E-1

My reaction was like: Hammer? [SUBMIT]
2 seconds later
WAIT THAT WAS HAMMER

So, like, yeah Mathblade has seen T3 do things like this.

But, also, I saw Toog's response to the situation, and found it quite funny

Spoiler:

Do you have a game where you did townie things and got town read for them, T3?

In the game you linked I was scum and did a skim just enough to seem Townie so as to get footing wet.

Soon as T3 claimed informed role cop he was getting shot n2 almost certainly. I reactioned a few times to confirm T3 rolecop then bam dead. I legit did not care what T3 was gonna say because he was gonna be dead.

In this one I am town and do not put up with shit like that. I want a chance to read and find scum.

[MathBlade]

Informed of a role cop*

[Vulture]

I'm phoning it in for this game. Normal games don't have the same zest as other games, it feels like, so I'm unsure why I threw myself in here.

I'm comfortable with the townpool of T3/Datisi/Lukewarm/Ari (Her posting improved once I saw more for her. Someone prodded her on a read on someone I don't remember, but it didn't feel as if it was something she made up). Thinking about Titus some; from a glance at a recent scum game, she went hard after her partners. It doesn't feel like she's doing that this game and unless she has at least 1 partner in the townpool I'm inclined to believe she's town from that as well.

Chaos's vote being parked on Flubber feels strange. I feel as if he's abandoned (at least somewhat) pressing there in favor of calling out other slots as weird. But keeping his vote parked on Flubber while having another growing wagon (Meg) and acknowledging her as weird feels as if Chaos doesn't want to vote a partner and wants to go for a miselim on Flubber.

VOTE: MegAzumarill.

This, however, depends on Meg flipping scum. And given that Meg sounds awkward, fine to vote there regardless.

[MathBlade]

i did go on to get the pagetop after that tho. anyway; here's a topless vote count

VC 1.07

Flubbernugget (5):

Umlaut 29, ChaosOmega 71, T3 113, Vulture 152, Alchemist21 371

MegAzumarill (4):

Datisi 286, Aristeia 327, Gamma Emerald 364, Titus 390

Seanzie (1):

Flubbernugget 26

ChaosOmega (1):

Lukewarm 259

Alchemist21 (1):

Seanzie 12

Titus (1):

MegAzumarill 142

not voting:

with 13 alive it takes 7 to destroy.

deadline:

(expired on 2021-08-08 18:55:00)

and, MegAzumarill is v/la till Sunaday

Looks like as of the latest VC there’s two wagons
One on Flubber and one on Meg.

Still reading tomorrow but those of you who consider yourself “champions” (however you define it) of the wagon please summarize your cases. Then I can use that in my catch-up tomorrow.

[Lukewarm]

In the game you linked I was scum and did a skim just enough to seem Townie so as to get footing wet.

Soon as T3 claimed informed role cop he was getting shot n2 almost certainly. I reactioned a few times to confirm T3 rolecop then bam dead. I legit did not care what T3 was gonna say because he was gonna be dead.

In this one I am town and do not put up with shit like that. I want a chance to read and find scum.

Maybe my last post came across the wrong way.

Like I said, I started with "do I need to explain to Math who T3 is" in order to explain that T3 can still be town, despite making posts like that. Because T3 is town this game.

Then grabbed the quotes to be like "look Math, here is T3 posting around someone close to getting eliminated, and this was definitely town T3"

Got hard sidetracked by laughing at the Toog post.

Looking back, I think it does come across like I am saying you are faking not knowing how T3 plays. Not my intent

[MathBlade]

My intent is more that independent of T3’s alignment he shouldn’t do it. That’s what policy means. It’s a vote that is policy until I catch up and I want to be able to do so.

What do you make of your chaos wagon and reactions or lack thereof?

[Lukewarm]

My intent is more that independent of T3’s alignment he shouldn’t do it. That’s what policy means. It’s a vote that is policy until I catch up and I want to be able to do so.

What do you make of your chaos wagon and reactions or lack thereof?

I still prefer the Chaos flip, and feel like all of Dats, Ari, and Titus have voiced a scum read there, and honestly unsure why they all decided to jump to Meg over Chaos. But, I think that Meg also is looking like a scum flip, so not the end of the world I guess.

[Lukewarm]

I am more furstrated with all of the people who decided to park on Flubber, and do not appear to be weighing in on the various other pushes very much

[Datisi]

@mod

i believe chaos is voting lukewarm

mod: true!

[Datisi]

hi mathblade!!

Still reading tomorrow but those of you who consider yourself “champions” (however you define it) of the wagon please summarize your cases. Then I can use that in my catch-up tomorrow.

as the first vote on meg, i will answer this

i voted them because of post 284. they were v/la, they didn't post pretty much anything, and then they popped in with that post. it gave me the vibe of low-activity scum doing the ~bare minimum~ to appear townie, but not actually solving much of anything, because the post doesn't really say much of anything of value. i've had this "tell" come up in two recent games (can link if necessary) where there was a town player unable to post / low-posting, and they gave zero shits in appearing townie, and there was a scum player low-posting, and they gave an honest effort into doing to minimum to appear townie (i talked about this in 287 and 383).

now, i am fully aware it's possible that a townie vaguely skimmed the game and decided to throw something out, but. eh. to me, the act of "throwing something out after skimming" feels way more likely to come from scum who's more interested in keeping up the appearances of solving / not having the town turn on them while they're not posting, rather than town who's low on time and decided to throw *something* out to help, even though they admit to not being able to read closely. like, makes it feel like they're more concerned with looking like they're solving rather than actually correctly solving.

*however*, all of this may go in the garbage because flubber has been pretty scummy the whole game, and i was willing to write him off as loltownie, especially considering the wagon on him has been the one constant of this game so far. and then titus jumped in from the void to scream how flubber is locktown because she mindmelded with him on this one thing on like page 2 (420). this uh, made me paranoia a titus/flubber team (421), so would love your input there

(also while i'm here, something about flubber's "lol why we wagoning the v/la" post (425) rings very *very* wrong to me, but i can't consciously decide what it is, so idk.)

[Datisi]

My intent is more that independent of T3’s alignment he shouldn’t do it. That’s what policy means. It’s a vote that is policy until I catch up and I want to be able to do so.

What do you make of your chaos wagon and reactions or lack thereof?

I still prefer the Chaos flip, and feel like all of Dats, Ari, and Titus have voiced a scum read there, and honestly unsure why they all decided to jump to Meg over Chaos. But, I think that Meg also is looking like a scum flip, so not the end of the world I guess.

honestly idk. something about his response made me not want to vote him, and other slots currently have my attention, but i also wouldn't be *terribly* surprised if he flipped red.

[Alchemist21]

My intent is more that independent of T3’s alignment he shouldn’t do it. That’s what policy means. It’s a vote that is policy until I catch up and I want to be able to do so.

What do you make of your chaos wagon and reactions or lack thereof?

I still prefer the Chaos flip, and feel like all of Dats, Ari, and Titus have voiced a scum read there, and honestly unsure why they all decided to jump to Meg over Chaos. But, I think that Meg also is looking like a scum flip, so not the end of the world I guess.

I would move to Chaos too, I just have a preference for Flubber.

[T3]

I don't see any reason why not to E-1 Flubber.

VOTE: T3

Policy til I am caught up.

Threatening to E-1 when a replacement comes in and denying town a chance to read me is scummy AF

You're reading way too deep into this.

[MathBlade]

hi mathblade!!

Still reading tomorrow but those of you who consider yourself “champions” (however you define it) of the wagon please summarize your cases. Then I can use that in my catch-up tomorrow.

as the first vote on meg, i will answer this

i voted them because of post 284. they were v/la, they didn't post pretty much anything, and then they popped in with that post. it gave me the vibe of low-activity scum doing the ~bare minimum~ to appear townie, but not actually solving much of anything, because the post doesn't really say much of anything of value. i've had this "tell" come up in two recent games (can link if necessary) where there was a town player unable to post / low-posting, and they gave zero shits in appearing townie, and there was a scum player low-posting, and they gave an honest effort into doing to minimum to appear townie (i talked about this in 287 and 383).

now, i am fully aware it's possible that a townie vaguely skimmed the game and decided to throw something out, but. eh. to me, the act of "throwing something out after skimming" feels way more likely to come from scum who's more interested in keeping up the appearances of solving / not having the town turn on them while they're not posting, rather than town who's low on time and decided to throw *something* out to help, even though they admit to not being able to read closely. like, makes it feel like they're more concerned with looking like they're solving rather than actually correctly solving.

*however*, all of this may go in the garbage because flubber has been pretty scummy the whole game, and i was willing to write him off as loltownie, especially considering the wagon on him has been the one constant of this game so far. and then titus jumped in from the void to scream how flubber is locktown because she mindmelded with him on this one thing on like page 2 (420). this uh, made me paranoia a titus/flubber team (421), so would love your input there

(also while i'm here, something about flubber's "lol why we wagoning the v/la" post (425) rings very *very* wrong to me, but i can't consciously decide what it is, so idk.)

Based on the post of votes in the VC it looks like a majority of votes on Flubber are RVS. By asking who is championing the wagon I can see if that theory is right or not. In other words who is willing to stake that their read is that important. (There’s also a corollary to this that follows but I don’t want to say it yet else it ruins the future expectations.)

Assuming what you say is true about Titus defending Flubber (haven’t read yet) let’s look at the four options:
As to which it is I would need to read to be sure but I don’t think SvS because Titus is competent scum when she is and I don’t think she would turbo link herself to a buddy without a good strategic reason.
Flubber alignment v Titus alignment because phone posting
SvS >> covered already
SvT >> Possible. Titus’s town game from what I have seen recently has been crap. I don’t think she goes and defends Flubber without something spooking her.
TvS >> Titus would be trying to score some major Townie points here and goad people into miselimming Flubber.
TvT >> This would suggest that Flubber is being dogpiled by scum. I’d push exclusively on the wagon

I can’t answer which until I get there but it’s unlikely SvS like you’re thinking unless Flubber is some god tier scum power role.

[MathBlade]

My intent is more that independent of T3’s alignment he shouldn’t do it. That’s what policy means. It’s a vote that is policy until I catch up and I want to be able to do so.

What do you make of your chaos wagon and reactions or lack thereof?

I still prefer the Chaos flip, and feel like all of Dats, Ari, and Titus have voiced a scum read there, and honestly unsure why they all decided to jump to Meg over Chaos. But, I think that Meg also is looking like a scum flip, so not the end of the world I guess.

I would move to Chaos too, I just have a preference for Flubber.

Why?

[MathBlade]

What changed?

You posted more.

Why is posting bad?

VOTE: seanzie

This is a really garbage reason for a push

VOTE: Flubbernugget

Agreed. I wish I could ask my prior self posted more than where. At this point it’s RVS, people get pushed for memes and typos and lolz.

[MathBlade]

waiting for my hero.




Alchemist do you think Seanzie is a Mafia?

No. He feels more like low-hanging fruit to me and I think both he and I were interested in seeing who else would push him for voting me. It was notable to me after the first 2 votes that the people voting Seanzie were people who know me, but 2 could just be a coincidence and I wanted to see if there would be a pattern and if anyone would try to pocket me along the way. I wanted to see how it played out a bit more but I think we're past that point now.

For what it's worth I don't think Umlaut was wrong on Flubber but there's another part of me that thinks Flubber could have been pushing Seanzie's bad reasoning in his own way and it strikes me as odd that Umlaut went for Flubber and didn't make any comment towards Seanzie.

What are your reads looking like so far?

VOTE: Alchemist21[/b]

Someone doesn’t have to mention a second player during pushing a first if it would dilute their case.
It would be like me saying “oh my god tris is scum because blah blah blah”
Then someone saying “But you didn’t mention anything about (player tris is pushing)”
So? That’s cart before the horse.

Kinda thinking chaos + Alchemist here.

[MathBlade]

I think Seanzie's caginess is more likely to come from town then from scum.

I also think that Flubber's reaction to the caginess seems bad . I don't think that anyone would read Seanzie's post and actually think they were saying that posting=bad, and it was very obvious what he was actually saying.

VOTE: flubber

would you like me to join your wagon?

This post here is disgusting. At this point this is Umlaut’s wagon on Flubber not Lukewarm’s.
This also throws off VCA entirely later.

Gonna go with how there’s a lot of bad bullshit here, Flubber and Titus is probably TvT here. There’s enough just bad posturing here that I don’t think this hits scum.

[MathBlade]

waiting for my hero.




Alchemist do you think Seanzie is a Mafia?

No. He feels more like low-hanging fruit to me and I think both he and I were interested in seeing who else would push him for voting me. It was notable to me after the first 2 votes that the people voting Seanzie were people who know me, but 2 could just be a coincidence and I wanted to see if there would be a pattern and if anyone would try to pocket me along the way. I wanted to see how it played out a bit more but I think we're past that point now.

For what it's worth I don't think Umlaut was wrong on Flubber but there's another part of me that thinks Flubber could have been pushing Seanzie's bad reasoning in his own way and it strikes me as odd that Umlaut went for Flubber and didn't make any comment towards Seanzie.

What are your reads looking like so far?

VOTE: Alchemist21

Someone doesn’t have to mention a second player during pushing a first if it would dilute their case.
It would be like me saying “oh my god tris is scum because blah blah blah”
Then someone saying “But you didn’t mention anything about (player tris is pushing)”
So? That’s cart before the horse.

Kinda thinking chaos + Alchemist here.

Ebwop

[MathBlade]

fear not, i am here!

VOTE: Flubber

VOTE: Aristeia

This is just bad. “Hey Luke can I join your wagon?” Neither Luke nor the wagon holder does.
Datisti posts wordy words.
Aristeia joins the wagon.
How does a Townie if they wanna know if they can join the wagon not wait for the feedback asked? What is this?

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Flubber

Why should I make any kind of post toward Seanzie? I read the thread, I saw Flubber joining a convenient wagon for disingenuous reasons, I voted him.

This post is really terrible. It feels like scum taking an RVS interaction way too seriously.

Do you get similar feelings from 26/30 by Flubber? If not, what makes them feel different?

Kinda getting chaos, alchemist, Aristeia vibes but I don’t think a hero solve on page two can be right.