Mini Normal 2239 | AQAtPimP | Game Over

[MargotRosa]

If I need to bow out because of the mistake, then I will. This is exhausting

[Aristeia]

um there's functionally no difference between copy/pasting and quoting.

you should never copy/paste, or repeat verbatim any moderator communications that you haven't cleared with the mod beforehand.

paraphrasing is ok but you have to be careful with wording.

[Enchant]

Why wouldn't I have claimed universal backup then?

Because first death are IC+Vigilante finder.
And from your faction it's "Innocent Child" which is blatantly impossible.

[MargotRosa]

Apologies

[MargotRosa]

I don't understand this universe in which I am some crazy mastermind who in her fourth ever game on this site, and only second out of Road to Rome, pulls on some totally bizarre strategy to buss a Scum PR d1, despite that PR being in no real danger otherwise, and given a now confirmed Town slot was at e-1 while I was pushing said Scum slot, and yet I also totally overlooked sending a message to mod to kill someone at an incredibly important moment of the game, and giving Town yet another day to discover me???

Occam's Razor alone dictates I am not in a million years Scum

[Enchant]

Wow i just scumslipped...
... Wait...

[MargotRosa]

I have just checked the Wiki, and Datisi is indeed correct. As of November 2015, this site states that vigilantes in Normal games must be Town aligned.

That does not stop me from thinking otherwise, especially when I have played games elsewhere where scum aligned vigilantes are not uncommon

[ChaosOmega]

I think Margot's lying?

To confirm Margot, you said your role name is "Town Backup Vigilante"?

[ChaosOmega]

UNVOTE:

[Datisi]

Why wouldn't I have claimed universal backup then?

i don't know. my current assumption is that you wanted to claim backup vigilante, went to uni backup's wiki page, saw the "inherit first pr of your faction, lose any shots used by the original owner" bit, and constructed your "role pm" from that info, while being unaware that uni backup and role-specific backup are different, i.e. that a role-specific backup activates as soon as any of the role die, regardless of alignment and modifier*. (i'm not 100% sure on the latter part, but i think a backup vig would become a full vig if a 1-shot vig died.)

anyway, that was such weird wording for a backup vigilante role pm, but i know that gypyx writes his own role pm's, and he's not a native speaker, so it wouldn't surprise me if the role pm was written clunkily. *however*, then i remembered that gypyx had had a backup in his games before. i rolled town backup roleblocker in mini normal 2180. and this is my role pm from that game:

Town Backup Roleblocker

Welcome ! You are a

Town Backup Roleblocker

If a roleblocker dies, you will become able to each night, target a player, that target will be prevented from taking any actions this night

Your goal is to eliminate every threat to the town, you may find the game thread here

maybe it's foolish to assume that gypyx would keep the consistency of the role pm from almost a year ago, but damn this looks much different than "You will Inherit the first [role] to die in your faction".

[Datisi]

I think Margot's lying?

To confirm Margot, you said your role name is "Town Backup Vigilante"?

what made you think so?

also, @kyouko, everyone has claimed, nobody else is a backup, why were you asking that?

[ChaosOmega]

Will wait for her answer, but it's rhetorical in a sense, I think she's lying regardless, it's just a matter of which part.

[MargotRosa]

Yes. I am Town Backup Vigilante

[MargotRosa]

I've done a forum search, and couldn't find any role pm that had a similar structure to mine, universal backup or otherwise

[ChaosOmega]

VOTE: MargotRosa

Backups don't inherit, universal backups do. This is a messed up fake claim, she's probably mafia universal backup, which would inherit.

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm not understanding this role thing but I also saw

universal backup

, not just

backup

in any of my games so far.

Btw, if

MR

flips red, the partner is likely

Ari

or

CO

here?

Datisi

seems unlikely.
If

MR

flips green, then

CO

is confscum?

UNVOTE: CO

VOTE: MR

[Salsabil Faria]

Actually

Ari

is most likely to be scum!

MR

's partner, they both strongly townread each other.
If

Ari

is really town, scum!

CO

is actually doing what??

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Wow i just scumslipped...
... Wait...

I'm not a Vigilante, I'm a JOAT. I stopped the Enchant kill. I've confirmed that despite my role being JOAT that for the purposes of "Finder" and "Backup" roles, I count as a Vigilante. The reasoning is that JOAT is just shorthand for "Town 1-Shot Vigilante 1-shot X 1-shot Y etc...", so technically I count as all of the roles I have 1-shot access to. My theory is that this setup could be balanced if scum has a backup role that inherits one or more of my other (non-vigilante) powers when I die.

I wanted to know if town had another backup because if so I would expect that scum inherits 2 of my powers and town inherits the other 2. In this case, it's possible scum and town each inherit one power, assuming Margot is not lying.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

oh quoted Enchant because I was excited someone had scumslipped, then I remembered he's IC. I just woke up.

[Datisi]

well. a 4-power joat is more like gypyx's style. also that makes me think ever more that margot's line is overkill, considering kyouko isn't a 1-shot vig, she's 1-shot vig + 3 other things.

[Datisi]

margot's role is overkill*

[Salsabil Faria]

I can't understand a thing! Can someone explain it to me please??

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm a Jack of All Trades. I have 4 1-shot powers.
1-shot Vigilante
1-shot [unnamed protective role that stopped a kill on Enchant last Night]
2 more other 1-shot role(s) that I have not claimed

I realize I've already slipped I have at least 4 powers by outing that I thought it was possible that scum and town could each inherit 2 powers, so I may as well come out and say that yes I do have 4 powers

[Salsabil Faria]

Oh thanks!
So

MR

is town?

[Datisi]

kyo, do you genuinely believe that
2 ic's
a 4-power joat who is also conftown since they have a vig shot

and a backup vig that becomes full vig once scum does the MECHANICALLY CORRECT PLAY and shoots the joat

are all town???