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which posts and what about the tone?In post 377, Lowell wrote:God help me I’m starting to pull a town read on Malcolm. His last few posts have convinced (?) me (?), though I’m not so far gone that I can’t admit it’s based on tone, not content.
Also I have the ‘Rona. Sadface.- Irrelephant11
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Sorry to hear you're sick, Lowell! Feel better!Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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i lowkey ran outta steamNo matter how high the stakes, sooner or later you're just gonna have to go with your gut.
And maybe, just maybe, that'll take you right where you were supposed to be.
Get to know a Mala~Grey<3 4.7.2015- Irrelephant11
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quick before you go, you've played with BBT yeah? Any memory of how to read him?Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Why is that? What other reads do you have?In post 352, kennyk wrote:
I guess I described, why I think Fancy's push looks scummy. I never said I am 100 % sure that they are scum. And how could I?In post 315, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:CW have you played with me before? The locktown read felt like it came out of nowhere. You don't have to reveal who you are, just a y/n is fine.
Kenny, why is Fancy scum for pushing an early scumread? Town will make mountains out of molehills early on, and they're liable to be wrong since info is limited. Why is that not descriptive of Fancy's play here?To be honest I feel way less sure of a scum!Fancy than I was at the time of my vote.- Cat Scratch Fever
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Why did you preface this post with "God help me" btw?In post 377, Lowell wrote:God help me I’m starting to pull a town read on Malcolm. His last few posts have convinced (?) me (?), though I’m not so far gone that I can’t admit it’s based on tone, not content.
Also I have the ‘Rona. Sadface.- Confidently Wrong
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Sorry for the randIn post 380, Malakittens wrote:i lowkey ran outta steam- Confidently Wrong
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So here is my read list in order of the players list:
BlueBloodedToffee: null at the moment (see my last post)
Lowell: a hard slot for me to read. There is just a push on cats and a multiple post read list. I don't see much from Lowell to get town going. No questions to anyone at all. Could be town not knowing how to get a grip on the game or scum trying to dodge away. The latter pings me a bit more, so: scumlean
Loftwing: Taking one of my posts as the reason for a vote on me and later using the same post as a reason to unvoting and even defending me really feels strange. scumleann
Confidently Wrong: Really interesting idea for an account. With so many contradicting posts it would be quite easy to openly slip without anyone noticing or at least being able to easily deny it. No one can know for sure which post is real and which is a fake post to stick to the role. My gut feeling tells me that this slot is probably more town than scum, so townlean.
MalcolmTucker: Allthough I don't do agree with all of his posts, they seem to be very thoughtful. He tries to find scum in a very unagitated way. townlean
Shoshin: The "Fancy seems town" and "Kenny is town" feels weird and doesn't really add up to me. scumlean
Fredrick A Campbell: I have nothing bad to say about this slot. A few solid posts. townlean
Cat Scratch Fever: After a slow start Cat looks like she is in scum hunting mode. town
Malakittens: I don't see any game relevant posts at all (apart maybe from the early vote). So far this is null, but I would be willing to do a policy elim here.
FancyPants: At the moment I voted Fancy I really felt they were scum (I won't repeat myself here). I think I now know, why they thought what they thought. I really liked the "does experienced scum teach newbie scum in daytalk" question. This felt like they thought I was suddenly doing better but needed an explanation why (I hope everyone gets what I want to say there. I couldn't describe it any better) and they only came up with the "external help"-solution. scumlean
Irrelephant11: His effort feels townie. The only thing that pings my scum radar is the fact that he read shoshin as twon early on. This could be a pocketing try. townlean
Eiralox:I don't know why, but this slot feels hard to read, too. Allthough I like the game irrelevant fact, that they seem to know rogue games and seem to llike Monty Python, there's not too much that I do get out of this player even after an ISO. null- Eiralox
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what about that post is towny to you, Eira?Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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In post 387, Confidently Wrong wrote:can we get more votecounts because the last one was literally 4 days agoHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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i feel it in the forceIn post 390, Irrelephant11 wrote:what about that post is towny to you, Eira?- FancyPants
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(I only used games that were finished)Meta research
I'm only skimming threads and ISO's so this is by no means comprehensive.
Kenny
Town Games
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=87906
Town win this game but Kenny doesn't vote much, he seems to be at his best in a mass roleclaim scenario when he can work out the odds.
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=87906&start=150
Scum win here, Kenny again doesn't vote that much and tends to be prone to indecision, he is endgammed when the town can't align.
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=87429
This game is long, Kenny gets elimmed, again he seems hesitant to vote much, he always seems to perk up a bit when there are people dead and roles revealed, seems like he likes to wait for serious evidence before voting.
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=88158
More of the same town lose Kenny typically only votes if there is role evidence or if he's the hammering vote. On one occasion he does vote for someone who sussed him.
Scum Games
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=89164
Kenny doesn't vote a single person, and replaces out, scum do win this game eventually, seems like Kenny had some personal stuff going on so it's hard to get much from this.
tl:dr;
It seems like it's pretty typical for Kenny to not vote or take strong stances as town and scum, however it's difficult to get a reference because his only scum game he barely posts and replaces out and his claimed reason was life issues.
I'm still a bit suspicious of him but I can only conclude based on the admittedly shakey evidence of a quick meta scan that I think we can do better than Kenny on day 1, itappearshis attitude this game matches his town game.
I'm going to UNVOTE: KennyK for now and do quick scan on Loftwing, but I'm already leaning towards him before I do it (full disclosure).
Meta research
Loftwing
Town Games
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=88188
Loftwing does seem more active this game, notably they post a readlist on post 143, whereas in this game at 161 he claims no reads.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=88188
This game is too confusing with lots of confusing role stuff. Loftwing does take a slightly more aggresive tone which he hasn't done this game.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=88129
They barely participate in this game and get voted out day 1. Hard to take anything out of it, claims to have been bored.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87720
He replaces out of this one but his general tone is more game-solvey than our current game.
tl:dr;
No scum games and not much to go on from these but I do think Loft-town tries harder in general than he has this game.
I vaguely regret doing this meta dive, I don't think reading so many posts has really helped me clarify my thoughts but I like kenny slightly more and Loft slightly less, I'm voting Loft for these reasons:
- This game he voted Kenny, and then quickly backed off for very little reason (this is worse for him if Kenny is actually town).
- Hasn't made any attempt to scumhunt, only voting the two biggest lurkers.
- Process of elimination from town reads.
- Finally on meta he seems far more passive than his usual town games.
VOTE: Loftwing
I apologies for the post length.
@Lowell, can you clarify why Shosh and Fred are scum leans for you?- FancyPants
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I don't think bolding text is against the rules, some mods might not like it but it's not mentioned in kittytacky's rulesetHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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tbh I kinda feel like at least one of the people townreading kenny are scum with tmi, and it's almost certainly not fancypantsHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I like this if Kenny is actually town.In post 398, Irrelephant11 wrote:tbh I kinda feel like at least one of the people townreading kenny are scum with tmi, and it's almost certainly not fancypants - FancyPants
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