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Post Post #375 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:10 am

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Will catch up on this when I can.

Mod, can we get a VC please?
Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.
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Post Post #376 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:14 am

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Post Post #377 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:59 am

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God help me I’m starting to pull a town read on Malcolm. His last few posts have convinced (?) me (?), though I’m not so far gone that I can’t admit it’s based on tone, not content.

Also I have the ‘Rona. Sadface.
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Post Post #378 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:07 pm

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In post 377, Lowell wrote:God help me I’m starting to pull a town read on Malcolm. His last few posts have convinced (?) me (?), though I’m not so far gone that I can’t admit it’s based on tone, not content.

Also I have the ‘Rona. Sadface.
which posts and what about the tone?
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Post Post #379 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:14 pm

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Sorry to hear you're sick, Lowell! Feel better!
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Post Post #380 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:36 pm

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i lowkey ran outta steam
No matter how high the stakes, sooner or later you're just gonna have to go with your gut.
And maybe, just maybe, that'll take you right where you were supposed to be.


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Post Post #381 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:44 pm

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quick before you go, you've played with BBT yeah? Any memory of how to read him?
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Post Post #382 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:51 pm

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In post 352, kennyk wrote:
In post 315, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:CW have you played with me before? The locktown read felt like it came out of nowhere. You don't have to reveal who you are, just a y/n is fine.

Kenny, why is Fancy scum for pushing an early scumread? Town will make mountains out of molehills early on, and they're liable to be wrong since info is limited. Why is that not descriptive of Fancy's play here?
I guess I described, why I think Fancy's push looks scummy. I never said I am 100 % sure that they are scum. And how could I?
To be honest I feel way less sure of a scum!Fancy than I was at the time of my vote.
Why is that? What other reads do you have?
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Post Post #383 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:58 pm

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Hope you feel better soon, Lowell. I got covid recently and it sucked
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Post Post #384 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:00 pm

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In post 377, Lowell wrote:God help me I’m starting to pull a town read on Malcolm. His last few posts have convinced (?) me (?), though I’m not so far gone that I can’t admit it’s based on tone, not content.

Also I have the ‘Rona. Sadface.
Why did you preface this post with "God help me" btw?
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Post Post #385 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:45 pm

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VOTE: lowell
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Post Post #386 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:45 pm

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In post 380, Malakittens wrote:i lowkey ran outta steam
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Post Post #387 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:12 pm

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can we get more votecounts because the last one was literally 4 days ago
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Post Post #388 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:48 am

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So here is my read list in order of the players list:
BlueBloodedToffee: null at the moment (see my last post)

Lowell: a hard slot for me to read. There is just a push on cats and a multiple post read list. I don't see much from Lowell to get town going. No questions to anyone at all. Could be town not knowing how to get a grip on the game or scum trying to dodge away. The latter pings me a bit more, so: scumlean

Loftwing: Taking one of my posts as the reason for a vote on me and later using the same post as a reason to unvoting and even defending me really feels strange. scumleann

Confidently Wrong: Really interesting idea for an account. With so many contradicting posts it would be quite easy to openly slip without anyone noticing or at least being able to easily deny it. No one can know for sure which post is real and which is a fake post to stick to the role. My gut feeling tells me that this slot is probably more town than scum, so townlean.

MalcolmTucker: Allthough I don't do agree with all of his posts, they seem to be very thoughtful. He tries to find scum in a very unagitated way. townlean

Shoshin: The "Fancy seems town" and "Kenny is town" feels weird and doesn't really add up to me. scumlean

Fredrick A Campbell: I have nothing bad to say about this slot. A few solid posts. townlean

Cat Scratch Fever: After a slow start Cat looks like she is in scum hunting mode. town

Malakittens: I don't see any game relevant posts at all (apart maybe from the early vote). So far this is null, but I would be willing to do a policy elim here.

FancyPants: At the moment I voted Fancy I really felt they were scum (I won't repeat myself here). I think I now know, why they thought what they thought. I really liked the "does experienced scum teach newbie scum in daytalk" question. This felt like they thought I was suddenly doing better but needed an explanation why (I hope everyone gets what I want to say there. I couldn't describe it any better) and they only came up with the "external help"-solution. scumlean

Irrelephant11: His effort feels townie. The only thing that pings my scum radar is the fact that he read shoshin as twon early on. This could be a pocketing try. townlean

Eiralox:I don't know why, but this slot feels hard to read, too. Allthough I like the game irrelevant fact, that they seem to know rogue games and seem to llike Monty Python, there's not too much that I do get out of this player even after an ISO. null
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Post Post #389 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:33 am

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kenny is greener. this post good. eira no vote kenny 2day.
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Post Post #390 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:06 am

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what about that post is towny to you, Eira?
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Post Post #391 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:06 am

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In post 387, Confidently Wrong wrote:can we get more votecounts because the last one was literally 4 days ago
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Post Post #392 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:10 am

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Fredrick A Campbell's Second Unofficial Votecount
kennyk
(3): FancyPants, BlueBloodedToffee, Irrelephant11
Lowell
(2): Cat Scratch Fever, Confidently Wrong
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(2): Fredrick A Campbell, Loftwing
MalcolmTucker
(1): Shoshin
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(1): Malakittens
Cat Scratch Fever
(1): Lowell
FancyPants
(1): kennyk
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(0):
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(0):
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(2): MalcolmTucker, Eiralox
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-07-04 11:14:00).
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Post Post #393 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:18 am

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In post 390, Irrelephant11 wrote:what about that post is towny to you, Eira?
i feel it in the force
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Post Post #394 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:05 am

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Meta research
(I only used games that were finished)
I'm only skimming threads and ISO's so this is by no means comprehensive.

Kenny

Town Games

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=87906
Town win this game but Kenny doesn't vote much, he seems to be at his best in a mass roleclaim scenario when he can work out the odds.


viewtopic.php?f=50&t=87906&start=150
Scum win here, Kenny again doesn't vote that much and tends to be prone to indecision, he is endgammed when the town can't align.


viewtopic.php?f=50&t=87429
This game is long, Kenny gets elimmed, again he seems hesitant to vote much, he always seems to perk up a bit when there are people dead and roles revealed, seems like he likes to wait for serious evidence before voting.


viewtopic.php?f=50&t=88158
More of the same town lose Kenny typically only votes if there is role evidence or if he's the hammering vote. On one occasion he does vote for someone who sussed him.



Scum Games

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=89164
Kenny doesn't vote a single person, and replaces out, scum do win this game eventually, seems like Kenny had some personal stuff going on so it's hard to get much from this.


tl:dr;

It seems like it's pretty typical for Kenny to not vote or take strong stances as town and scum, however it's difficult to get a reference because his only scum game he barely posts and replaces out and his claimed reason was life issues.
I'm still a bit suspicious of him but I can only conclude based on the admittedly shakey evidence of a quick meta scan that I think we can do better than Kenny on day 1, it
appears
his attitude this game matches his town game.

I'm going to UNVOTE: KennyK for now and do quick scan on Loftwing, but I'm already leaning towards him before I do it (full disclosure).

Meta research

Loftwing

Town Games

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=88188
Loftwing does seem more active this game, notably they post a readlist on post 143, whereas in this game at he claims no reads.


viewtopic.php?f=3&t=88188
This game is too confusing with lots of confusing role stuff. Loftwing does take a slightly more aggresive tone which he hasn't done this game.


viewtopic.php?f=3&t=88129
They barely participate in this game and get voted out day 1. Hard to take anything out of it, claims to have been bored.


viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87720
He replaces out of this one but his general tone is more game-solvey than our current game.



tl:dr;

No scum games and not much to go on from these but I do think Loft-town tries harder in general than he has this game.

I vaguely regret doing this meta dive, I don't think reading so many posts has really helped me clarify my thoughts but I like kenny slightly more and Loft slightly less, I'm voting Loft for these reasons:

- This game he voted Kenny, and then quickly backed off for very little reason (this is worse for him if Kenny is actually town).
- Hasn't made any attempt to scumhunt, only voting the two biggest lurkers.
- Process of elimination from town reads.
- Finally on meta he seems far more passive than his usual town games.

VOTE: Loftwing

I apologies for the post length.

@Lowell, can you clarify why Shosh and Fred are scum leans for you?
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Post Post #395 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:07 am

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I realise I probably shouldn't have bolded things, I vaguely recall it being bad/against the rules because it confuses votes. Sorry Kitty.
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Post Post #396 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:38 am

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VOTE: loftwing
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Post Post #397 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:39 am

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I don't think bolding text is against the rules, some mods might not like it but it's not mentioned in kittytacky's ruleset
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Post Post #398 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:40 am

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tbh I kinda feel like at least one of the people townreading kenny are scum with tmi, and it's almost certainly not fancypants
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Post Post #399 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:45 am

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In post 398, Irrelephant11 wrote:tbh I kinda feel like at least one of the people townreading kenny are scum with tmi, and it's almost certainly not fancypants
I like this if Kenny is actually town.
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