Mini Normal 2275: Roguelikes - Day 3: Endgame!

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Kenny - I've also said Shoshin is probably town. Why does that not ping scum to you?

Same question goes for malcolm.

[Irrelephant11]

Good point re:that fancypants read

Also hi CSF, do you have a read on CW?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

God help me I’m starting to pull a town read on Malcolm. His last few posts have convinced (?) me (?), though I’m not so far gone that I can’t admit it’s based on tone, not content.

Also I have the ‘Rona. Sadface.

Why did you preface this post with "God help me" btw?

I don’t consider him to be a useful player and would prefer him to be scum.

To answer whoever else asked, something about the way he talks about preferring to be scum makes me now read him as town.

that's a bit of a premature assessment unless you've played with Malcolm before, but I think you've been away from the site for a while, is that correct?

The phrasing just pinged me as weird, but I'm really struggling to describe what I'm feeling

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Good point re:that fancypants read

Also hi CSF, do you have a read on CW?

Not really, I'm kind of gutreading them as town but not really feeling too strongly about it one way or another

If he's who I think he is (the N1 comment was "outing", as they might say), then I'm not that confident in reading them or if they've done anything super AI yet

[Confidently Wrong]

@CW, This is the part where I ask you why Loftwing is town - you ignore me and I don't change my mind.

The claimed mafia lowell spewed them town

remind me the scumcase for lowell?

The interaction regarding malcom was essentially outting

[Confidently Wrong]

Whats funny was that i changed my read on fancy bc of lowell so cheers thanks for the free town

[Confidently Wrong]

Mala/Lowell/eiralox is a team I'd lock in rn gth

Its probably wrong but i am confident of at least 2

[Irrelephant11]

I think there's 1, maybe even 2 though that's less likely, in kenny/loftwing/malcolm. So I don't think you've got the whole team

I'm re-reading the interaction between lowell and malcolm and like really don't know what you're referring to as a scumclaim

[Confidently Wrong]

Lowell was mad bc he thought malcom would be an easy mislim

[Confidently Wrong]

If lowell is mafia idk how you can say any of those 3 are scum

[Irrelephant11]

Lowell just seems mad that he's townreading someone he doesn't like/want to be on the same team as. Like "ugh I thought I caught one but I guess it was just playstyle all along"
Not that you're definitely wrong I just don't think it's as clear cut & obvious as you're saying

I'm definitely not basing my reads on Lowell being mafia

[Irrelephant11]

Lowell could be mafia, don't get me wrong, I don't even really want to get in your way if that's your pick for scum. I just don't see it as an obvious thing like you do

[Confidently Wrong]

Well I'm confident enough in lowell that I'd veto anyone i believe is spewed town off him, and i even actively townread loft off meta and malcom as well. Kenny i refuse to comment on because he did fool me recently in a somewhat embarassing way.

[Confidently Wrong]

I think Lowells reaction to a wagon starting on him however should be indicative enough that he isn't solving the game and is self pressing in a scummy way

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Lowell just seems mad that he's townreading someone he doesn't like/want to be on the same team as. Like "ugh I thought I caught one but I guess it was just playstyle all along"
Not that you're definitely wrong I just don't think it's as clear cut & obvious as you're saying

I'm definitely not basing my reads on Lowell being mafia

Kind of odd to think he's caught scum this early, no?

[kennyk]

you ask for reads lists, people give you fairly detailed lists while admitting areas where you're unsure, and you perceive that as suspect

I didn't ask kenny for a readslist
I'm fine with people being unsure, I find busywork (needlessly long posts) and hedging on basically the entire playerlist suspect (tho yes I have already acknowledged you didn't do this as much as I first thought)
None of that has to do with what I find suspect from kenny's readslist. I think he copy/pasted his read of me from your readslist, and is presenting it as his own thought. I think he's buddying you/amplifying a false concern in that regard, while hedging on me as townlean so he doesn't have to actually push me, a hard-to-lim player. The rest of his readslist is meh but could come from town. His read on me specifically is what I take issue with

I don't know why my readlist should be needlessly long, but if you wish to, my next list will come in separate posts.

While writing my readlist I ISOed everyone. And to be honest, my lunch break was coming to an end when it was your turn. But I definitely didn't copy anybody's read on anyone. If Malcolm and I do have the same read on you, then there has to be something to it (not that it is necessarily right).

As I have stated in my earlier, much discussed post, your town read on Shoshin felt odd. That's all it is. You based your read on meta which is hard to contradict. So how could I push there? And why would I, if the rest of your posts feel townie?

[kennyk]

Confidently Wrong: Really interesting idea for an account. With so many contradicting posts it would be quite easy to openly slip without anyone noticing or at least being able to easily deny it. No one can know for sure which post is real and which is a fake post to stick to the role. My gut feeling tells me that this slot is probably more town than scum, so townlean.

FancyPants: At the moment I voted Fancy I really felt they were scum (I won't repeat myself here). I think I now know, why they thought what they thought. I really liked the "does experienced scum teach newbie scum in daytalk" question. This felt like they thought I was suddenly doing better but needed an explanation why (I hope everyone gets what I want to say there. I couldn't describe it any better) and they only came up with the "external help"-solution. scumlean

Irrelephant11: His effort feels townie.

The only thing that pings my scum radar is the fact that he read shoshin as twon early on.

This could be a pocketing try. townlean

these reads are kinda weird

if you understand Fancy's original thought process and you liked one of their later posts, why are they still a scumlean for you?

Why is there no suspicion on Irrelephant, who has projected a lot of confidence that you are scum?

I must admit that my scum lean on Fancy might have to do with my unwillingness to admit to myself, that I was wrong with that slot and voted a little bit too impulsive (for me at least).

In general my suspicion on anyone isn't necessarily correlated with that person's read on me.

[kennyk]

Well I'm confident enough in lowell that I'd veto anyone i believe is spewed town off him, and i even actively townread loft off meta and malcom as well. Kenny i refuse to comment on because he did fool me recently in a somewhat embarassing way.

??? OK ???

When and how so?

[Eiralox]

VOTE: confidently wrong with a ten foot pole.

lowell i'm ok with. you don't xpand tho. fact that u have mala on scum list trips me. mala straight null, ill vote there cos inactive but i don't see how u can form any reads. there's nothing. so having mala in a team with lowell/eira..... i mean CF maybe ur trolling here but D1 if I name three ppl scum i do so with reasons. meh.


me, well, bring your case. tell me why and how eira is scummy.

[Eiralox]

and out of all the teams that's the one you see? possible deflection here. imma see what yer aboot

[Confidently Wrong]

Well I'm confident enough in lowell that I'd veto anyone i believe is spewed town off him, and i even actively townread loft off meta and malcom as well. Kenny i refuse to comment on because he did fool me recently in a somewhat embarassing way.

??? OK ???

When and how so?

the schadd game with 5 vigs

this alt isnt exactly a secret but ive decided not to claim it just because most people here would benefit 0 from knowing it.

[Confidently Wrong]

VOTE: confidently wrong with a ten foot pole.

lowell i'm ok with. you don't xpand tho. fact that u have mala on scum list trips me. mala straight null, ill vote there cos inactive but i don't see how u can form any reads. there's nothing. so having mala in a team with lowell/eira..... i mean CF maybe ur trolling here but D1 if I name three ppl scum i do so with reasons. meh.


me, well, bring your case. tell me why and how eira is scummy.

scummy omgus m'lord

[Confidently Wrong]

i have reasons to townread every other slot and an inactive mala who doesnt post anything game related at all is not null - it leans scum.

[Eiralox]

quick iso Wrong
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v pants

----tofffeee banter---

---focus on irrel poss scum read on pants, by interpreting q irrel asks eira---

#108 reaffirms pants focus

#111 Agrees with Lowell re: pants, votes Cat Scratch. no reasons given. (fancy defended panys just b4)

#127 "Wtf what about me" after elepohNT vote

Shosh and pants doing a “let’s performatively say opposite things on a thing that doesn’t matter” gambit. Love it.

Cats still, though. Someone hammer

didnt you literally call pants town like 2 pages ago

lowell doesnt scumread pants here, not directly anayway. Wrong wants to mob cats still, no reason.

#157 votes Fred. non-indicative, yet wuick switch after lowell/cats?

#200 mala pressure vote

#274 townread Irrell

#275 townread Irrel and Shoshin to Malcom

#286 lockstown cats

#287 express intent to continue tunneling mala'''

#295 townread loftwing

I guess CW has town vibes

CW, there's a major wagon on kenny, the second-quietest player. Who are you giving advice to?

i saw people start voting Lowell/Loftwing

I would argue Lowell, tied for third-quietest, is also in your category of quiet players. But point taken I guess

#371 Vote Kenny. 'yolo'

#385 votes Lowell

Loftwing is town, unvote them and vote scumclaimed lowell

@CW, This is the part where I ask you why Loftwing is town - you ignore me and I don't change my mind.

The claimed mafia lowell spewed them town

Mala/Lowell/eiralox is a team I'd lock in rn gth

Its probably wrong but i am confident of at least 2

[Confidently Wrong]

your reads you posted earlier feel very half hearted and ingenuine


and your treatment of lowell felt very distancy - in the sense that you are even currently willing to vote me over lowell after never expressing an actual townread there - and also stated you were basing scumreads off that slot.


all in all it seems you are trying to flip townies while positioning yourself as having your partner Lowell in your scumreads to later try to claim you pushed them all along.