Mini Normal 2275: Roguelikes - Day 3: Endgame!

[Eiralox]

freds looks fishy. i also agree loft should do a full claim now, but there are certain scenarios and roles where id likely also be recalcitrant to do a full claim. whether that comes or not, im not voting on a claim d1. it can be verified or disproved. either fred or no exe for at me this point.

i'm out.

[Eiralox]

actually im starting to lean scum on FAncyPants as well. their willingness to revote loftwing:

fancypants townreads confidently wrong but cw is townreading loftwing but fancypants seems still ok with loftwing elim after claim?

this all raises confidently wrong in my estimation, i'm holding open the possibility that cw is town and that at least some of the scum team is walkin in their shadow.

[Eiralox]

the only hard counter to this is fancypants unvote, depending on loftwing alignment. would scum fancy have unvoted? the other question is, fancy expressed intent to vote eira/lowell. now they stated they might vote loftwing anyway after i voted fred. so idk, i guess im just noting this stuff here. and now im out for real, peace.

[FancyPants]

actually im starting to lean scum on FAncyPants as well. their willingness to revote loftwing:

fancypants townreads confidently wrong but cw is townreading loftwing but fancypants seems still ok with loftwing elim after claim?

this all raises confidently wrong in my estimation, i'm holding open the possibility that cw is town and that at least some of the scum team is walkin in their shadow.

I know interacting with each other drives us both insane but if you're going to say something about me I have to respond.

Refering specifically to the bold part, I think CW is probably town, and also wrong about Loftwing, townies can be wrong because they don't actually know everyone's alignment. This should be obvious.

[FancyPants]

freds looks fishy. i also agree loft should do a full claim now, but there are certain scenarios and roles where id likely also be recalcitrant to do a full claim. whether that comes or not, im not voting on a claim d1. it can be verified or disproved. either fred or no exe for at me this point.

i'm out.

No elim... Really?
I'd rather vote almost anyone than no elim.

[Eiralox]

noted, thank you. there's still a few things that give me scummy vibes from recent you, past you i felt green on. same with fred, i've been getting scum vibes lately. no elim cos i got no good reasons for other folk. i can always add u to that list but as i said my vote stays on fred.

not starting a wagon on you any time time soon tho so, peace x2

[FancyPants]

I don't want to start an argument with you but I am curious about the no elim thing.

If we elim a random person we have a 25% chance of hitting scum. If we elim noone we have a 0% chance of hitting scum that's my perspective.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Sorry it's taken me so long, post on Fred incoming (interesting that Eira just mentioned scum in the shadows of town)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Fred;

156 This was the first post that caught my attention. The LAMIST post, give three town reads. Extremely easy for scum to do given the extra information they have - three scum reads would be better to create actual content, no?

214 The random push on the LHF. I get this to an extent, it's early game so push the low posters for content. 223, 334 335 though continues this push further, now it becomes a 'genuine push' as opposed to a low content push and is where I start to dislike it. This is the first time he sheeps CW.

348 His fascination with Eira not voting anyone. This continues for quite some time and yet he doesn't apply this to other players - like Malcolm.

545 He votes Eira. Sheeping CW (again) and Irrelephant. Now, as scum, this is a great way to go by unnoticed right? Just do what the loudest, widest town read players do and you get no hassle. He very much goes with the flow of the thread and I'm not sure I've seen any originality from him at all?

554 OK, some explanation for the Eira vote. Fascination with the no voting (again) and given it seems so important to him, why has he not applied the same thinking to Malcolm? I mean, the first paragraph is a narrative of what happened and doesn't actually indicate why he thinks Eira is scum. The whole post has a lot of words but doesn't actually say why what Eira has done is scummy.

Eira wagon; Eiralox (5): Confidently Wrong, Irrelephant11, Fredrick A Campbell, Cat Scratch Fever, Loftwing

Is that all town? Seems unlikely.

572 LAMIST, don't anybody dare hammer my scumread!

He is first to jump off the Eira wagon though, which gives me some pause. It is, though, after Irrelephant mentions he has lost his Shoshin and Mala reads. 647 pre-emptively sheeping by voting Mala.

766 Random vote on Lowell. Literally, aside from talking about low content posters, this has come from nowhere. Or has it? In 753 Irrelephant says that Mala is town...and just like that, Fred backs off Mala. Not only does he back off Mala, he again chooses to go for the LHF. We're now 31 pages into the game by the way.

768 A horrific explanation for the shift in votes.

838 Why is he asking why Loft is town? Angling to join the wagon? He has shown no previous interest in this player.

842 Declares intent to hammer Loft? WHAT? Where did this come from? After some talk about Fred possibly being scum he speeds up his 'timer' for hammering Loft.

Can anyone guess who recently joined the Loft push before Fred decided it was good for him, too? You get two guesses.

Spoiler: Who is it?

It's Irrelephant (again!)

892 Justification for the Loft vote. It's simply appalling that this late into the game, all of Fred's reads amount to 'but they're not doing anything.' He has sheeped either CW or Irrelephant the entire game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Thank you for taking the time to read my post.

Now vote Fred.

[Lowell]

Fine. I’ll be white-knighting scumBBTs errand boy if it gets us a vote.

vote Fred

I guess this ship has sailed, but man does that ever seem like a fake-claim. Never heard of a neighborizer—why would it exist in a mini.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Neighbourizer used to be fairly common when I played. Again though, it can come from either alignment. Which makes me think Loft is more likely to be town because scum come up with a better claim?

[FancyPants]

Fine. I’ll be white-knighting scumBBTs errand boy if it gets us a vote.

vote Fred

I guess this ship has sailed, but man does that ever seem like a fake-claim. Never heard of a neighborizer—why would it exist in a mini.

Are you suggesting that you'd prefer to vote out a townie than not elim? Or are you suggesting BBT is bussing.

This post comes across as scummy as hell. Why sheep a player you believe is scum.

[Lowell]

Enough pearl clutching. Do something

[FancyPants]

@BBT, I think your case on Fred has some merit, I do think his vote on Eira - subsequent poking, and then his vote off are fine, his pressure vote on mala is also fine he explains that he wasn't looking for her to hang.
His worst vote is for Loftwing, but it's far worse if Loftwing is scum I feel, I don't think scum Fred jumps on a town-loft for no reason, but I can see it being a bus. The justification for voting Loft from him was kind of a lurker thing which he has shown interest in chasing.

I see what you're saying but I'm not fully convinced.

[FancyPants]

Enough pearl clutching. Do something

I'll vote before I go to sleep tonight.

I'm just trying to be as sure as I can be.

So to be clear you won't answer the question?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

@BBT, I think your case on Fred has some merit, I do think his vote on Eira - subsequent poking, and then his vote off are fine, his pressure vote on mala is also fine he explains that he wasn't looking for her to hang.
His worst vote is for Loftwing, but it's far worse if Loftwing is scum I feel, I don't think scum Fred jumps on a town-loft for no reason, but I can see it being a bus. The justification for voting Loft from him was kind of a lurker thing which he has shown interest in chasing.

I see what you're saying but I'm not fully convinced.

His votes in and of themselves are not the point. The point is the fact he has sheeped CW or Irrelephant the entire game and has provided barely any original thought.

He has pushed LHF the entire game - this is fine for 15 pages I guess. But at some point you have to start providing actual validated scum reads. He isn't doing this.

His vote on Mala...the point was what? Just because he prefaces it with 'it's not for an elim' that makes it a good vote? If it's not for elim, then what is the point? Because as soon as you preface with your vote with that then it becomes an empty vote doesn't it?

Scum!Fred has jumped on almost everyone with no reasoning. He has sheeped Irrelephant and CW. Why would Loft be any different? Like, the vote literally comes from nowhere.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

The justification for voting Loft from him was kind of a lurker thing which he has shown interest in chasing.

Loftwing has more posts than Lowell, Malcolm, Cat, Kenny and Shoshin. I'm not sure a 'lurker' push is sufficient reason I'm afraid.

[Lowell]

Enough pearl clutching. Do something

I'll vote before I go to sleep tonight.

I'm just trying to be as sure as I can be.

So to be clear you won't answer the question?

Are you being serious here or what?

It’s D1, I’m not doing a no-elim. Any of you idiots can be scum. I’m not dogmatic and ppl who are are suspect to me. Stop performing outrage about votes and do something.

[Lowell]

Fine. I’ll be white-knighting scumBBTs errand boy if it gets us a vote.

vote Fred

I guess this ship has sailed, but man does that ever seem like a fake-claim. Never heard of a neighborizer—why would it exist in a mini.

Are you suggesting that you'd prefer to vote out a townie than not elim? Or are you suggesting BBT is bussing.

This post comes across as scummy as hell. Why sheep a player you believe is scum.

Also, to be clear so I know what you find “scummy”: you’re saying a town player would not say “this guy is scum, meh okay I’ll sheep him” but a scum player would indeed say “this guy is scum, meh okay I’ll sheep him”?

[Confidently Wrong]

VOTE: eira

[Confidently Wrong]

VOTE: lowell
Powerlim this

[FancyPants]

Enough pearl clutching. Do something

I'll vote before I go to sleep tonight.

I'm just trying to be as sure as I can be.

So to be clear you won't answer the question?

Are you being serious here or what?

It’s D1, I’m not doing a no-elim. Any of you idiots can be scum. I’m not dogmatic and ppl who are are suspect to me. Stop performing outrage about votes and do something.

Ok that's fine, you're not confident about a scum read from BBT got it.

Fine. I’ll be white-knighting scumBBTs errand boy if it gets us a vote.

vote Fred

I guess this ship has sailed, but man does that ever seem like a fake-claim. Never heard of a neighborizer—why would it exist in a mini.

Are you suggesting that you'd prefer to vote out a townie than not elim? Or are you suggesting BBT is bussing.

This post comes across as scummy as hell. Why sheep a player you believe is scum.

Also, to be clear so I know what you find “scummy”: you’re saying a town player would not say “this guy is scum, meh okay I’ll sheep him” but a scum player would indeed say “this guy is scum, meh okay I’ll sheep him”?

The point is - there is already a wagon going, why specifically follow the one person you suspect the most when they start a new wagon. That's weird as hell.

As for you telling me to do something I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Asking questions is doing something, this conversation right now is doing something. If you mean "vote" I've already said I will do so before I go to sleep tonight.

Why is me trying to figure out who the best vote is "not doing something".

[Confidently Wrong]

Im not frankly surprises that loftwing ended up being PR
I also believe Fredrick is a PR so they're off the fucking table

[Confidently Wrong]

Lowell and Eira are scum together trying not to die d1 desperately