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Post Post #2300  (ISO)  » Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:04 pm

Vivax wrote:And my paranoia about Crescent is firing up. That would make Lowell town for example. If that's the case, it's a town doctor, which keeps Owen alive and probably kills me on the next night.

Crescent said that seeing Andante getting tunneled triggered her, which is unusual if you don't know that the reasons are bad. That points at Crescent having TMI and being mafia, actually. Andante having flipped town helps with that, though it wasn't too surprising as a pick.

I agree that Crescent is looking worse and worse the further we get into the game. Her dedication to the game and depth of reads heavily contrasts with her incorrect reads, stubbornness and poor voting record. If she is still alive by like Day 7 or so, town might need to kick her out.

If that is the case, the lengths she goes to get townread are very impressive.

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Post Post #2301  (ISO)  » Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:12 pm

In post 2300, Greeting wrote:
Vivax wrote:And my paranoia about Crescent is firing up. That would make Lowell town for example. If that's the case, it's a town doctor, which keeps Owen alive and probably kills me on the next night.

Crescent said that seeing Andante getting tunneled triggered her, which is unusual if you don't know that the reasons are bad. That points at Crescent having TMI and being mafia, actually. Andante having flipped town helps with that, though it wasn't too surprising as a pick.

I agree that Crescent is looking worse and worse the further we get into the game. Her dedication to the game and depth of reads heavily contrasts with her incorrect reads, stubbornness and poor voting record. If she is still alive by like Day 7 or so, town might need to kick her out.

If that is the case, the lengths she goes to get townread are very impressive.


Indeed.

But I'd argue that it's the lack of stubborness that bothers me in regards to the alignment.
Simply put(?), this is a player who as town has the ability to demand thread control on a whim. Those are quite rare, and most who are able to struggle with being able to do so as mafia, including myself.
Thread control in the sense of altering game perception in other players.

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Post Post #2302  (ISO)  » Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:19 pm

In post 2299, Vivax wrote:Nah, Unsure can go to town pile. Owen too.
Should be enough info around to solve it and I need to bring myself to it.

And my paranoia about Crescent is firing up. That would make Lowell town for example. If that's the case, it's a town doctor, which keeps Owen alive and probably kills me on the next night.

Enchant, Crescent, Prince perhaps? Unsure on Firebringer.

Crescent said that seeing Andante getting tunneled triggered her, which is unusual if you don't know that the reasons are bad. That points at Crescent having TMI and being mafia, actually. Andante having flipped town helps with that, though it wasn't too surprising as a pick.


I CAN'T BE SCUM WITHOUT MALA BEING SCUM YOU NOT EVEN TRYING

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Post Post #2303  (ISO)  » Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:25 pm

In post 2302, Enchant wrote:
In post 2299, Vivax wrote:Nah, Unsure can go to town pile. Owen too.
Should be enough info around to solve it and I need to bring myself to it.

And my paranoia about Crescent is firing up. That would make Lowell town for example. If that's the case, it's a town doctor, which keeps Owen alive and probably kills me on the next night.

Enchant, Crescent, Prince perhaps? Unsure on Firebringer.

Crescent said that seeing Andante getting tunneled triggered her, which is unusual if you don't know that the reasons are bad. That points at Crescent having TMI and being mafia, actually. Andante having flipped town helps with that, though it wasn't too surprising as a pick.


I CAN'T BE SCUM WITHOUT MALA BEING SCUM YOU NOT EVEN TRYING


Fiiine, point taken.
So, either both or none. I don't know about that yet.
I'm trying just not necessarily in the way you expect, so I reject that accusation. Our play isn't perpetually the same.

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Post Post #2304  (ISO)  » Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:30 pm

Yep.

Because controlling the narrative is what matters most. Town controlled the narrative in 2272 and won. Scum controlled the narrative in 2273 and in 2276 and won.

As scum I don't aim for power, I aim for people who can control the narrative against me. I probably would've taken out Greeting night 1 as I would've acknowledged him as one of the only legitimate threats to me in the game. Pooky was a nonsense kill as far as I'm concerned.

My last scum game I shot VT over 3 different town power just to remove the player and coasted from there, as I knew nobody left was going to stop me even with their PRs.

I do still stand by Malcolm being an ok voteoff despite the flip and really nothing you can do will change my mentality on that.

If Mala actually is town though it does mean I was probably right about Pronce originally though.

And if he's scum, and Greeting is still alive day 7... etc etc.

Back to work now.

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Post Post #2305  (ISO)  » Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:44 pm

Alright, let's compile the claims. I am surprised that no one has even thought of it yet.

Unsure -
Vivax -
Greeting -
Firebringer -
Malakittens - Even Night Town Cop
Crescent -
Lowell - (town-proven by UNOwen)
Enchant - (town-proven by Malakittens)
geraintm -
UNOwen - N3 Town Cop
Prince of Paterson -


So here is the list of the players who either did not claim or were not town-proven (myself removed):

{Unsure, Vivax, Firebringer, Crescent, geraintm, Prince of Paterson}

If all claims are true, then the remaining 3-4 mafia should be in here.

Now, let's color all the townreads green.

{Unsure, Vivax, Firebringer, Crescent, geraintm, Prince of Paterson}

Conclusion? Either the townreads are off or the claims are off, because if both are right, we're missing one, up to two scum.

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Post Post #2306  (ISO)  » Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:46 pm

Or, we can not resolve this conflict right now and vote out the scummiest person left.

VOTE: Unsure

But I strongly suggest we do a massclaim tomorrow.

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Post Post #2307  (ISO)  » Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:15 pm

In post 2298, UNOwen wrote:As well as being a N3 cop, I also have a bit of information about the game that's probably useless except in a mass claim context, where it could potentially be useful. But I can't promise it would come to anything even then.

^ Please note the above as a reason to mass claim today. I know I'm saying it won't necessarily come to anything, but I also don't think we lose anything by mass claiming now. If nothing else we can at least fix scum into claims by doing so.

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Post Post #2308  (ISO)  » Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:20 pm

Enchant, Crescent, Mala is possible with Owen town cop.

Waiting for this?

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Post Post #2309  (ISO)  » Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:21 pm

Might have to reconsider Greeting instead of Crescent.

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Post Post #2310  (ISO)  » Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:28 pm

Ugh. My dislike of cres is going up but that just might be me being annoyed at prev comments which doesn’t actually make
Them scum
No matter how high the stakes, sooner or later you're just gonna have to go with your gut.
And maybe, just maybe, that'll take you right where you were supposed to be.


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Post Post #2311  (ISO)  » Fri Aug 05, 2022 5:40 pm

Mala
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Post Post #2312  (ISO)  » Fri Aug 05, 2022 5:44 pm

In post 2304, Crescent wrote:I do still stand by Malcolm being an ok voteoff despite the flip and really nothing you can do will change my mentality on that.

i think your mentality is detrimental to growth.
and @unsure im not trying to guilt trip. Just think people brushing of mislims like its all the other persons fault isn't good for a player mentality to actually improve and prevent mislims from happening from future. Like you can have two standpoints to a mislims and well maybe a more nuanced 3d
1) its the fault of the person mislimmed
2) its the fault of the voter

Everyone gravitates to one or other and i think the second is better for players to have in order to find out ways to stop the person from voting wrong in future. Blaming the person is a hit or miss because its not like i believe policy lims really change behavior and certainly shouting at a player "YOU SUCK" isn't going to motivate them or encourage improvement on their end. So all you can do is improve yourself.

Anyways thats my philisophy psychology rant of this game day.
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Post Post #2313  (ISO)  » Fri Aug 05, 2022 5:46 pm

In post 2302, Enchant wrote:
In post 2299, Vivax wrote:Nah, Unsure can go to town pile. Owen too.
Should be enough info around to solve it and I need to bring myself to it.

And my paranoia about Crescent is firing up. That would make Lowell town for example. If that's the case, it's a town doctor, which keeps Owen alive and probably kills me on the next night.

Enchant, Crescent, Prince perhaps? Unsure on Firebringer.

Crescent said that seeing Andante getting tunneled triggered her, which is unusual if you don't know that the reasons are bad. That points at Crescent having TMI and being mafia, actually. Andante having flipped town helps with that, though it wasn't too surprising as a pick.


I CAN'T BE SCUM WITHOUT MALA BEING SCUM YOU NOT EVEN TRYING

want me to hit u with some real wifom.
imagine a world where both mala is town and she fake claimed a cop to try to eat a night bullet or just not get limmed.
In that world ur scum.

IMAGINE IT
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Post Post #2314  (ISO)  » Fri Aug 05, 2022 5:47 pm

In post 2259, geraintm wrote:
In post 2239, Datisi wrote:i've just realized that i accidentally set the day deadline at 8 days instead of 10. this will be corrected shortly. apologies for any inconveniences or distress this may have caused.

I was so distressed
best post of this game
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Post Post #2315  (ISO)  » Fri Aug 05, 2022 5:49 pm

In post 2245, Enchant wrote:I am more annoyed by checking Lowell who was checked by gunsmith.

In post 2246, Enchant wrote:"AAAAAAA WHAT IF LOWELL IS MAFIA DOCTOR, EVERYONE CHECK HIM AND ONLY HIM"

These posts are the best case for town enchant i have seen this game
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Post Post #2316  (ISO)  » Fri Aug 05, 2022 5:51 pm

In post 2176, Malakittens wrote:I’m an even-night cop.
I have an innocent on enchant.
Hence my townread and refusal to vote there.

In post 2181, UNOwen wrote:Definitely not unvoting now. Death to Malcolm!


Unown you knew here that Mala was claiming even night cop and you didn't even question it then? Or point out you thought it was bunk?
Did you think at the time that both were unbelievable claims?
Why was Mala more believable
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Post Post #2317  (ISO)  » Fri Aug 05, 2022 5:52 pm

In post 2305, Greeting wrote:If all claims are true, then the remaining 3-4 mafia should be in here.

Now, let's color all the townreads green.

{Unsure, Vivax, Firebringer, Crescent, geraintm, Prince of Paterson}

Conclusion? Either the townreads are off or the claims are off, because if both are right, we're missing one, up to two scum.

I think its pretty obvious claims aren't true in this game right now.
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Post Post #2318  (ISO)  » Fri Aug 05, 2022 5:53 pm

Mala doesn't even react to another cop claim in this game.
She didn't react to loyal vig initially.
Its kind of like she doesn't care about this game at all.

Mala am i wrong?
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Post Post #2319  (ISO)  » Fri Aug 05, 2022 5:57 pm

In post 2210, Prince of Paterson wrote:
In post 2198, Firebringer wrote:Ngl kind of happy andante went
She didn’t seem to be in cooperative mood this game

Actually surprised prince hasn’t accused me of being scummy for her death since her out of way goes to his theory that I can push game where I want

That isn't an argument that I would present. I don't think you as scum would be likely to kill Andante for any reason other than her role. I'm not that interested in pursuing you as a possible scum at this time anymore anyway.

Umm most night kills are for people you don't think you can elim during the day. Id say only 30% of my scum thought process takes role into consideration and only when i think the person is going to use that role effectively on me. I.E i think X is a cop and chances of me getting checked are high.
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Post Post #2320  (ISO)  » Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:03 pm

for some reason ive been thinking we are only looking for 2 scum.
The fact that there is 3 is really making me think my hard townlocks have scum in it.
Like could it be Unsure/Unown/Prince/Malakittens. Yes, but I don't feel that is a 3/3 situation in there. It feels like 2/3 at best.

I don't want to be paranoid of my Bear Avengers right now.
We lim mala for one scum flip today and i guess someone from bear avengers dies? Idk maybe scum kills more of our "PR" like if unown is town. I think that would be dumb but you know im not on scum team and don't see what they are seeing clearly, because andante didn't seem like a useful kill to me
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Post Post #2321  (ISO)  » Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:11 pm

Random thoughts:
Are scum keeping Crescent and Greeting both alive so they can be at each other throats or is there scum in there and they can't kill the other without it looking sus? What if its both. Scarier thought.

Crescent would have been who i killed days ago just because of the effort alone been putting in the game, but maybe scum see them as a detriment or useful tool.

I feel the same applies to me and scum see me useful because I locked one of them in a town group. Or they are going for PR - Which highly favors Prince as the scum?

Is this 3d chess that both greeting/crescent alive so they just kill each other. I mean i guess that isn't big brain thinking.

Actually when you think about this from who died and what not:
1) Pooky was killed because push on scum made them lock town almost, it was also probably fear of him catching anymore the more i think about it. I might want to look into who has played with ppooky before here.
2) gamma is just obvious someone more useful in that gunsmith role.
3) andante could have just been killed for PR

So scum are just scared of PR - which indicates that no other RB exists. WHICH IVE BEEN SAYING. Glad to nip that stupid theory in the butt.
So who in this game is terrified of pr besides what i assume is Prince who i am considering heavily scum just from mindset of who died/should be dead.

Crescent?
I mean Mala for sure.

Ehhh more thoughts to really think on. This rambling/spewing thoughts is not helping me sort it all out.
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Post Post #2322  (ISO)  » Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:13 pm

Ohh btw my slight paranoia of Greeting is gone. Greeting pointed out how ineffective PR this game have been and wouldn't just be killing players because of roles. Was a good point.

Greeting very town for other reasons too. Just saying im not going to go back into my paranoia bit on that.
Crescent could be scum who been angling for greeting pushes but ehhhhhh. Lets not go into rabbit holes on that yet
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Post Post #2323  (ISO)  » Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:04 pm

In post 2316, Firebringer wrote:Unown you knew here that Mala was claiming even night cop and you didn't even question it then? Or point out you thought it was bunk?
Did you think at the time that both were unbelievable claims?
Why was Mala more believable

In post 2244, UNOwen wrote:
In post 2243, Unsure wrote:Excuse me?! And you believed Malakittens' claim day three because?

Because claiming N3 cop on D3 didn't feel optimal. I thought both Mala and Malcolm were scum anyway, this seemed better.

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Post Post #2324  (ISO)  » Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:09 pm

In post 2321, Firebringer wrote:Ehhh more thoughts to really think on. This rambling/spewing thoughts is not helping me sort it all out.

Are you against a mass claim?

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