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[Vivax]

So if we recapitulate and it's not MK and Enchant, there's not really a reason not to vote PoP

Question is who the last is between Cres/Owen/Lowell then. Writing off Cres, because mindgames. Owen/Lowell are a tricky duo. But Lowell has been looking scummier, so probably PoP + UNO?

Or Mala is just scum. How has anything that she's done today so far made you think otherwise?

You monitoring this game and shooting out but only if it's your head on the block

Mala is simply mighty annoyed at being scumread

[Prince of Paterson]

Okay, having read Crescent's post, I mostly agree with the conclusions. I think there's not really any way from my perspective that Mala isn't scum. I think that Enchant is most likely the partner. Mala obviously should be flipped first. If it isn't Enchant, we'll be at 5p with 1 scum remaining. I think flipping Vivax and Firebringer/Frogsterking wins the game in that situation.

If somehow Mala is town, she should claim her result now, and it makes it possible that Owen is scum. I strongly doubt that to be the case, however.

It's suspicious to me that Prince already has an idea for what to do if it gets to a 3 player endgame. Especially that he wouldn't be worried about geraintm at that point.

I townread geraintm too, but if this game is still ongoing when there are even five players left and I'm still alive I'd definitely want to reevaluate to make sure on that read.

I've already thought about wtf to do if I find myself in various F3 scenarios but that's just how I am. It is kinda interesting that he seems to be assuming what F5/F3 would look like.

Final scenarios I might not be here for, so I think it's worth sharing my thoughts on them. I don't really have any doubts about Gera being town and don't see why I should. If Mala is scum, Owen is town, assuming there aren't any other power roles unclaimed. I still think Crescent is town. That leaves Vivax and Frogsterking.

[Vivax]

Okay, having read Crescent's post, I mostly agree with the conclusions. I think there's not really any way from my perspective that Mala isn't scum. I think that Enchant is most likely the partner. Mala obviously should be flipped first. If it isn't Enchant, we'll be at 5p with 1 scum remaining. I think flipping Vivax and Firebringer/Frogsterking wins the game in that situation.

If somehow Mala is town, she should claim her result now, and it makes it possible that Owen is scum. I strongly doubt that to be the case, however.

It's suspicious to me that Prince already has an idea for what to do if it gets to a 3 player endgame. Especially that he wouldn't be worried about geraintm at that point.

I townread geraintm too, but if this game is still ongoing when there are even five players left and I'm still alive I'd definitely want to reevaluate to make sure on that read.

I've already thought about wtf to do if I find myself in various F3 scenarios but that's just how I am. It is kinda interesting that he seems to be assuming what F5/F3 would look like.

Final scenarios I might not be here for, so I think it's worth sharing my thoughts on them. I don't really have any doubts about Gera being town and don't see why I should. If Mala is scum, Owen is town, assuming there aren't any other power roles unclaimed.

I still think Crescent is town.

That leaves Vivax and Frogsterking.

I still think Crescent is town is a sentence that could be your (plural) downfall

[Vivax]

And you just finished a post trying to look solvy with me and Frogster as solution but your vote is on Mala.
I'll take the free scumread on you thank you.

[Vivax]

Well not your vote actually, but you asked me why I'm not scumreading Mala.
Which implies intention for you to want Mala to be scumread.
Anything else?

[Prince of Paterson]

This is what I mean about it getting harder for me to continue giving you the benefit of the doubt. I have been very clear that from my perspective, Mala is nearly confirmed scum. The only way she isn't is if Owen is scum.

My interest right now is finding her partner. Enchant is most likely, but I'm worried about the possibility of that being wrong. If it is wrong, then the most likely partner for Mala is instead either you or Frogsterking. I do not think it is at all likely that you two are scum together and I never said that.

You would know all of this already if you had been reading my posts. If you genuinely did scumread me, I expect that reading my posts is something you would have interest in doing. If all you care about instead is keeping Mala alive and finding excuses to vote town like you have all game, because you know that people will inexplicably townread you for it anyway, then this exactly what you would be doing.

[Vivax]

This is what I mean about it getting harder for me to continue giving you the benefit of the doubt. I have been very clear that from my perspective, Mala is nearly confirmed scum. The only way she isn't is if Owen is scum.

My interest right now is finding her partner. Enchant is most likely, but I'm worried about the possibility of that being wrong. If it is wrong, then the most likely partner for Mala is instead either you or Frogsterking. I do not think it is at all likely that you two are scum together and I never said that.

You would know all of this already if you had been reading my posts. If you genuinely did scumread me, I expect that reading my posts is something you would have interest in doing. If all you care about instead is keeping Mala alive and finding excuses to vote town like you have all game, because you know that people will inexplicably townread you for it anyway, then this exactly what you would be doing.

People inexplicably townread me because I put my soul into my writing.
Which is why I suck at rolling mafia.

[geraintm]

Hitting thread quickly, I thought it would be night by now. Vivax just doing the absolute worst though.
Will catch up tomorrow

[Prince of Paterson]

Having said that, though, I did just take another look and your consistent pushes on FancyPants and Unsure are at least a decent case for you being town. So in all likelihood, it's just Mala and Enchant and we can end this and go home.

[Prince of Paterson]

I think there's only 2 votes here at the moment. I've said all I feel is necessary for now, I think things will be easier if we just get the flip.

VOTE: Malakittens

E-2

[Vivax]

Owen and geraint going for the misyeet

[Vivax]

as town*

[Enchant]

I actually fine on condition that you WILL kill prince after me, but I can't really be sure about it, because you all decided to throw game and probably will go for anyone, but not him.

Like really, Unsure openly tried to divert wagon from Prince on Malcolm, and everyone forget it at instant, which i always called out.

Also, if Mala somehow town, mafia team is Crescend+Prince.
I will not be here obviously to remind about this.

[Vivax]

On a reread had several pushes on Prince going but it's obvious that there's shielding.

FB/Ench/Gera/UNO/Lowell were town distractors, then Enchant and Andante refused to play along.
Bugspray probably worth a special mention.

There's only one solution though and whoever piled up on Mala wanted the wrong one to prevail.

[Crescent]

If Mala even had any credibility left to begin with, it was gone the moment she claimed to scan Greeting. I'm not even bothering to humor "if Mala is town" scenarios.

I'd actually go as far as to say the most obvious scan in the game would have been me. My alignment being hard confirmed would be game shattering at this point. I mean I'd still kill her anyway because she's still scum but it would at least have been a believable target.

[Prince of Paterson]

But hey if you guys want a flip with zero info go ahead a lim me

That’s just cool

If you (Vivax, or others) are considering Mala as town, you need to explain why she makes this post while being run up on day 2, as a even night cop who would want to stay alive to get a result that night.

[Vivax]

I can't rule it out that townies can fakeclaim things to nudge the game towards the direction they want.
Tried it once to get Holyflare launched on TL lying about a redcheck, never again.

[Enchant]

Let's vote Mala and call it a day, i am bored.

Also there's still possibility. Like 1%. Yeah.
VOTE: Mala

[Vivax]

Let's vote Mala and call it a day, i am bored.

Also there's still possibility. Like 1%. Yeah.
VOTE: Mala

I can't wait to summarize the games.
Wrong vote and you know it.

[Prince of Paterson]

I can't rule it out that townies can fakeclaim things to nudge the game towards the direction they want.
Tried it once to get Holyflare launched on TL lying about a redcheck, never again.

Seems unbelievable to me that your actual thought process in reaction to that is that the claim is fake but that Mala is still town.

[Vivax]

I can't rule it out that townies can fakeclaim things to nudge the game towards the direction they want.
Tried it once to get Holyflare launched on TL lying about a redcheck, never again.

Seems unbelievable to me that your actual thought process in reaction to that is that the claim is fake but that Mala is still town.

No, I have already plucked a game apart on Mafiauniverse, indirectly by seeing what the players were actually doing instead of just playing.
You think I don't have a vision for what can happen behind the curtain while the puppets dance? I could prove you wrong, but I don't treat some of my knowledge as something to just be spewed out on a random game. I give glimpses of it, same way I catch it.
The games are made more intricate to counter it. I know that.

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