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Post Post #2725 (ISO) » Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:25 am

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In post 2723, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 2722, Enchant wrote:Do you have questions to me
There is a lot about how you scumhunt which remains an enigma to me. It seems like you pay attention to the votes mainly and rely heavily on intuition. Do you ever read through player's isos and try to figure out what motivates them?
And if you haven't done that can you try now for the first time? There are only four other players left.
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Post Post #2726 (ISO) » Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:56 am

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In post 2724, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 2678, Vivax wrote:aaaaahhhh I'm so evil

Just The Dude usually, but Walter Sobchak in mafia games

p-edit: What do you mean? If NKs keep up the same pattern as usual, that's what should happen. The post should be easy to understand especially after you've laid out the pathing method.
I've thought about it a little bit this morning too and I still don't understand the question.
I'm guessing that I misinterpreted what you meant by "smothering the pillow" and also maybe we have divergent reasons for Town reading Enchant and think we're talking about the same thing.
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Post Post #2727 (ISO) » Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:57 am

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Scumreading is dark art for me, even i don't understand how i do it.

Sometimes results are amasing. Sometimes i am horrible wrong. So i think, i play fairly not bad. Either way, i do read ISOs sometimes, yeah, i just don't announce that i did so.


Imo, as i said, if it's not Gera, then it's one of Crescend, Vivix, You.

Vivix looks like person who can't make reliable choice, and bunny hops around and even follows dead persons like "Don't judge me", so i think Vivix is town.

About crescend/you... Well, idk what you!mafia would had motive to even consider me as townie, as it's gives you less giveaway, and can backfire for no reason.
Crescend ultratryhard, they mostly town, but not always.

I can't comment on Gera. Really.
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Post Post #2728 (ISO) » Thu Aug 18, 2022 5:20 am

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In post 2727, Enchant wrote:I can't comment on Gera. Really.
Why? Are you afraid of Gera?
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Post Post #2729 (ISO) » Thu Aug 18, 2022 5:34 am

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I afraid of nothing, it's just happens i don't have anything to say, even when i try to do so.
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Post Post #2730 (ISO) » Thu Aug 18, 2022 5:59 am

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In post 2726, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 2724, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 2678, Vivax wrote:aaaaahhhh I'm so evil

Just The Dude usually, but Walter Sobchak in mafia games

p-edit: What do you mean? If NKs keep up the same pattern as usual, that's what should happen. The post should be easy to understand especially after you've laid out the pathing method.
I've thought about it a little bit this morning too and I still don't understand the question.
I'm guessing that I misinterpreted what you meant by "smothering the pillow" and also maybe we have divergent reasons for Town reading Enchant and think we're talking about the same thing.
Smothering the pillow = Getting NKd from having a pillow pressed on your face while sleeping

Don't even want to go to what you were thinking LOL
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Post Post #2731 (ISO) » Thu Aug 18, 2022 6:03 am

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Mafia never NKs me lol
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Post Post #2732 (ISO) » Thu Aug 18, 2022 6:05 am

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In post 2727, Enchant wrote:Scumreading is dark art for me, even i don't understand how i do it.

Sometimes results are amasing. Sometimes i am horrible wrong. So i think, i play fairly not bad. Either way, i do read ISOs sometimes, yeah, i just don't announce that i did so.


Imo, as i said, if it's not Gera, then it's one of Crescend, Vivix, You.

Vivix looks like person who can't make reliable choice, and bunny hops around and even follows dead persons like "Don't judge me", so i think Vivix is town.

About crescend/you... Well, idk what you!mafia would had motive to even consider me as townie, as it's gives you less giveaway, and can backfire for no reason.
Crescend ultratryhard, they mostly town, but not always.

I can't comment on Gera. Really.
I can relate to some of the ways you go about it, but it's almost impossible to stick to an initial read because 'you felt that way'
It just can't get traction for others and the additional info throws you off while the game goes on
And when someone expects it they alter the play when you're in the game
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Post Post #2733 (ISO) » Thu Aug 18, 2022 6:09 am

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Re dark arts of scumhunting: Have instances and witnesses for something like clairvoyance events and general weird occurrences, getting kinda wary of talking about too many of them though
Had a scientific upbringing but it's still fun to observe and believe
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Post Post #2734 (ISO) » Thu Aug 18, 2022 6:21 am

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It's also nice to observe that in mafia I mostly instantly get along well with similarly eccentric players, most of us seem to have a definition of fun that differs a lot from average and can almost intuitively understand each other I think. But we're often doomed to live in forms not fit for us
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Post Post #2735 (ISO) » Thu Aug 18, 2022 6:34 am

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VOTE: geraintm

Well, back to the sane option
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Post Post #2736 (ISO) » Thu Aug 18, 2022 6:36 am

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In post 2731, Enchant wrote:Mafia never NKs me lol
I guess the point is that mafia might NK you if I'm their mark, which I don't think is the case.
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Post Post #2737 (ISO) » Thu Aug 18, 2022 6:37 am

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In post 2733, Vivax wrote:Re dark arts of scumhunting: Have instances and witnesses for something like clairvoyance events and general weird occurrences, getting kinda wary of talking about too many of them though
Had a scientific upbringing but it's still fun to observe and believe
Any occurrences that happened within a game of mafia?
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Post Post #2738 (ISO) » Thu Aug 18, 2022 6:46 am

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In post 2737, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 2733, Vivax wrote:Re dark arts of scumhunting: Have instances and witnesses for something like clairvoyance events and general weird occurrences, getting kinda wary of talking about too many of them though
Had a scientific upbringing but it's still fun to observe and believe
Any occurrences that happened within a game of mafia?
Lol presumably yes but can‘t talk about it for now
And I don‘t always get feedback that confirms it

But had a few occurrences of thinking or dreaming about someone and then getting called by them
Or getting alarmed about the future like in fall 2019

I believe by now, similarly to old cultures, that sun and disease dynamics are linked to the ways humanity behaves
And whoever wants to control those does so because they want to rebel against what you could call cosmic justice

Sounds super nuts, but idc
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Post Post #2739 (ISO) » Thu Aug 18, 2022 6:51 am

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Also worth pointing put something I discussed with an old friend, that walking the brink of death makes people weirder and more spiritual.

Made me think of the legend of Achilles and the relation to Christian baptisms, which maybe was intendes to somulate the same asphyxiation to make you more affine to the other side
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Post Post #2740 (ISO) » Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:14 am

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Safe to say I have what you could call wrong planet syndrome and can‘t properly relate to what drives other people
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Post Post #2741 (ISO) » Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:18 am

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Just did a quick check before work today... And I actually found another point against Gera now that I really have him under a magnifying glass. I'd rather not tip off exactly what this is (so I may be able to use it on him again in the future...), but I was with this guy in 2272 (town) and 2273 (scum), and there's a resounding similarity in this specific regard to his play in 2273.

Clidd actually used an identical and correct argument to this on Gera in 2273 in comparing two of his past games, but that game was full of embarrassments who yelled at people for referencing other games, and I'm the only one who ever paid attention to it.
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Post Post #2742 (ISO) » Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:25 am

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To put it simply if it is Gera like I'm currently thinking it is, I may have discovered a serious scumtell of his and I would rather not say.

I might want to research more of his scumgames after work.
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Post Post #2743 (ISO) » Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:29 am

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Cres can be town, Ench too but he‘s trying not to look the part
gera/frogster are trickier and frogster seems more interested into me as specimen than as player :dead: , but at least I get to talk about the juicy tinfoil stuff
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Post Post #2744 (ISO) » Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:56 am

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In post 2742, Crescent wrote:To put it simply if it is Gera like I'm currently thinking it is, I may have discovered a serious scumtell of his and I would rather not say.

I might want to research more of his scumgames after work.
Pray do tell when you're up for it
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Post Post #2745 (ISO) » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:08 am

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Favourite word of the day: Locusts

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Post Post #2746 (ISO) » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:23 am

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I have a concrete example of a weird coincidence now that I dwelled on it, part of the screenshots I'm taking for something like a collage
The only unfortunate thing is the lack of timestamps in discord, but the post came soon after, DZ might have seen it. I don't know about the correlation vs causation part tho

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Post Post #2747 (ISO) » Thu Aug 18, 2022 11:09 am

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I need to test it's efficacy against other games of his to see if it is decisive, which I cannot do at work.
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Post Post #2748 (ISO) » Thu Aug 18, 2022 11:31 am

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In post 2738, Vivax wrote:Sounds super nuts, but idc
I can buy the dream prediction stuff for sure.

The thought prediction (in a way that isn't based on either intuition or analysis) I attribute to magical thinking, it's not nuts, it's an unwanted side effect of being more creative than most people. The rest of I don't know enough about to have a strong opinion.
In post 2746, Vivax wrote:I have a concrete example of a weird coincidence now that I dwelled on it, part of the screenshots I'm taking for something like a collage
The only unfortunate thing is the lack of timestamps in discord, but the post came soon after, DZ might have seen it. I don't know about the correlation vs causation part tho

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