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[Shiidaji]

Let's see
geraintm
pros: Eliminates a headache read for lil ol me
cons: I lean town rn
MalcolmTucker
pros: outside chance of malcolm being verbose scum, I trust salsa more
cons: i doubt it rn and I feel like he pushes conversation rn which we need
Porkens
pros: I'm fine with this
cons: none
KittyTacky
pros: doubt kitty gets limmed today, more pressure on him means more posting though which helps read a null-er slot
cons: leaning town rn
Galron
pros: lots of info gained on a red flip from the day1 focus
cons: none rn
ProfessorDrapion
pros: sweet release
cons: potential PR burn
NJAC
pros: I can see some posting come from scum perspective, I'm fine with this
cons: none rn
Salsabil Faria
pros: eh
cons: nah

[Porkens]

Wait like you are fine with me being eimiatez?

[Shiidaji]

Ya I have no qualms

[Shiidaji]

So what's stopping you from voting me? I don't feel very pressured right now in comparison to Drapion who I think might actually suspect me. Do you have any thoughts on NJAC apart from null?

[Porkens]

Hmm that’s a good question. I guess I just don’t feel like voting yet.

[Porkens]

Also, no

[ProfessorDrapion]

Oooooo

VOTE: NJAC

[Shiidaji]

the polls lose another red-blooded American

[Shiidaji]

Vote: NJAC

[Greeting]

Votecount 2.4

Drake feat. Wizkid & Kyla - One Dance

(2016)

Commentary: This song is strongly influenced by dancehall and afrobeat. It's also not a rap song at all, which marks a departure from Drake's past music.

Galron

(2): KittyTacky, Salsabil Faria

geraintm

(2): NJAC, MalcolmTucker

NJAC

(2): ProfessorDrapion, Shiidaji

Not Voting

(3): geraintm, Porkens, Galron

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Day 2 ends in: (expired on 2022-09-28 19:17:00).

[Shiidaji]

This sounds kinda awful compared to the original!! Wow!

[KittyTacky]

kitty do you have any stratification to your reads?

I haven't made a reads list yet (though I will before day's end) but Shiidaji is the towniest of my townreads and you are the scummier of my two SRs (the other is Porkens).

[KittyTacky]

I'm sorry I"m just not feeling like this right now but it did occur to me that kitty's lack of reassessment or I guess unwillingness to look anywhere else is anti-town. They suss Porkens as being a partner of mine but their read on me is a sheep read. There is no independent thought there. They're basing the entire game on me being scum as suspected by someone else. There is no thought of who could be scum outside of a scum!galron world.

That being said they say they hyperfocus on things and that it's nai. I've played just one game with kitty and they were scum reading me throughout that game, although it didn't seem as intense, and I was town there too. So I'm really on the fence as to whter this is scummy or just anti-town.

1. Why would I do something else if I completely agree with Cres' case.
2. Yeah that's an issue I recognize, when I find someone really scummy it's hard to independently SR other people for me. I genuinely can't help it.

[Greeting]

This sounds kinda awful compared to the original!! Wow!

Linked the wrong one! Apologies!

The one that's in now is the original, but without the MV. For some reason I cannot find an original with MV posted by an official account.

[KittyTacky]

Kitty points out Galron isn't usually this low effort as town but I feel like I definitely have seen them coast a bit as town before.

And it concerns me that Kitty reads - beyond being sheeped - feel like they are all just primarily depending on meta. Galron is scum because they're posting too little; Ger is town because they always play this way. It's a useful way for scum to seem like they have opinions without having an actual view or opinion on the gamestate as it is. My stance on meta is it's useful but has limitations and I think it can look scummy when players use meta to hide behind a read.

1. Not to this extreme extent.
2. Well I do this as town too, I read people I played with by meta a lot. Just my playstyle.

[Salsabil Faria]

@Salsa - I get Ger killing Crescent could seem a bit obvious but it was noted at the start of the game Crescent's a capable and skilled player, and I don't think anyone was shocked to see they were the NK. I think that cover would be enough for Ger to consider going for it and getting rid of Crescent anyway. If they're scum it hasn't worked out too badly here, they're not definitely going to be voted out and they've got rid of someone vocally scumreading them who was a bit of a town leader in the process.

So, your thinking is, let me get this straight....for me to suggest that people check out Crescent, and then immediately night one either scum me or one of my partners go round their house. And risk someone else be there and spot us?

That is what you think my plan one. Days before Crescent suspect me, I was already setting them up to kill because I knew that it wouldn't come back on me because I knew from my first post that later kn Crescent was going to think me scum?

"for me to suggest that people check out Crescent, and then immediately night one either scum me or one of my partners go round their house. And risk someone else be there and spot us?"

Which role in normal can find who visited who? I can't remember this type of roel...

@salsa

I have denied there is a soft claim.
Digging now into what they thought my claim was is not going to be helpful to town.

@Salsa - I get Ger killing Crescent could seem a bit obvious but it was noted at the start of the game Crescent's a capable and skilled player, and I don't think anyone was shocked to see they were the NK. I think that cover would be enough for Ger to consider going for it and getting rid of Crescent anyway. If they're scum it hasn't worked out too badly here, they're not definitely going to be voted out and they've got rid of someone vocally scumreading them who was a bit of a town leader in the process.

I know..... I'm going with my gut feeling on this.... I can't read

geraintm

tbh...

Btw, do you notice 1073?

I didn't notice a soft-claim but I am horrendous at spotting or dishing out crumbs.

There was no soft claim for you to notice

What makes you think we were talking about you?

I am around to talk if anyone wants to pull up a chair my reads haven't changed much in the last page or two. Let's start talking consensus.

1059 (

"I want to respond to Salsa's post when I have time cuz something stuck out to me and I can't put it into words rn"

), 1082

Let's see
geraintm
pros: Eliminates a headache read for lil ol me
cons: I lean town rn
MalcolmTucker
pros: outside chance of malcolm being verbose scum, I trust salsa more
cons: i doubt it rn and I feel like he pushes conversation rn which we need
Porkens
pros: I'm fine with this
cons: none
KittyTacky
pros: doubt kitty gets limmed today, more pressure on him means more posting though which helps read a null-er slot
cons: leaning town rn
Galron
pros: lots of info gained on a red flip from the day1 focus
cons: none rn
ProfessorDrapion
pros: sweet release
cons: potential PR burn
NJAC
pros: I can see some posting come from scum perspective, I'm fine with this
cons: none rn
Salsabil Faria
pros: eh
cons: nah

Don't understand
Btw, I'm more confident in

Porkens

flipping scum, but I'm not against voting

NJAC

either.
I want your opinion about 1073 also.


So far, I can put scum!

NJAC

with scum!

Porkens

, scum!

Kitty

, scum!

Galron

where I find {scum!

Kitty

- scum!

Galron

} & {scum!

Kitty

- scum!

Porkens

} scenarios are unlikely (based on their conversations with each other).
But my gut feeling is saying

Kitty

is a town here, which leaves this pool: {

NJAC

,

Porkens

,

Galron

}
Now, if

Galron

really soft-claimed as a town, then it confirms

NJAC

/

Porkens

scrum team (if we have 2 scums only, but if there is a 3rd scum/traitor then I don't know.... yet, will consider

geraintm

may be).

Unvoting for now but my vote is on either

NJAC

or

Porkens

today....

UNVOTE: Galron

[Greeting]

NJAC has been prodded. This is his first prod.

[geraintm]

@Salsa - I get Ger killing Crescent could seem a bit obvious but it was noted at the start of the game Crescent's a capable and skilled player, and I don't think anyone was shocked to see they were the NK. I think that cover would be enough for Ger to consider going for it and getting rid of Crescent anyway. If they're scum it hasn't worked out too badly here, they're not definitely going to be voted out and they've got rid of someone vocally scumreading them who was a bit of a town leader in the process.

So, your thinking is, let me get this straight....for me to suggest that people check out Crescent, and then immediately night one either scum me or one of my partners go round their house. And risk someone else be there and spot us?

That is what you think my plan one. Days before Crescent suspect me, I was already setting them up to kill because I knew that it wouldn't come back on me because I knew from my first post that later kn Crescent was going to think me scum?

"for me to suggest that people check out Crescent, and then immediately night one either scum me or one of my partners go round their house. And risk someone else be there and spot us?"

Which role in normal can find who visited who? I can't remember this type of roel...

@salsa

I have denied there is a soft claim.
Digging now into what they thought my claim was is not going to be helpful to town.

@Salsa - I get Ger killing Crescent could seem a bit obvious but it was noted at the start of the game Crescent's a capable and skilled player, and I don't think anyone was shocked to see they were the NK. I think that cover would be enough for Ger to consider going for it and getting rid of Crescent anyway. If they're scum it hasn't worked out too badly here, they're not definitely going to be voted out and they've got rid of someone vocally scumreading them who was a bit of a town leader in the process.

I know..... I'm going with my gut feeling on this.... I can't read

geraintm

tbh...

Btw, do you notice 1073?

I didn't notice a soft-claim but I am horrendous at spotting or dishing out crumbs.

There was no soft claim for you to notice

What makes you think we were talking about you?

I am around to talk if anyone wants to pull up a chair my reads haven't changed much in the last page or two. Let's start talking consensus.

1059 (

"I want to respond to Salsa's post when I have time cuz something stuck out to me and I can't put it into words rn"

), 1082

Let's see
geraintm
pros: Eliminates a headache read for lil ol me
cons: I lean town rn
MalcolmTucker
pros: outside chance of malcolm being verbose scum, I trust salsa more
cons: i doubt it rn and I feel like he pushes conversation rn which we need
Porkens
pros: I'm fine with this
cons: none
KittyTacky
pros: doubt kitty gets limmed today, more pressure on him means more posting though which helps read a null-er slot
cons: leaning town rn
Galron
pros: lots of info gained on a red flip from the day1 focus
cons: none rn
ProfessorDrapion
pros: sweet release
cons: potential PR burn
NJAC
pros: I can see some posting come from scum perspective, I'm fine with this
cons: none rn
Salsabil Faria
pros: eh
cons: nah

Don't understand
Btw, I'm more confident in

Porkens

flipping scum, but I'm not against voting

NJAC

either.
I want your opinion about 1073 also.


So far, I can put scum!

NJAC

with scum!

Porkens

, scum!

Kitty

, scum!

Galron

where I find {scum!

Kitty

- scum!

Galron

} & {scum!

Kitty

- scum!

Porkens

} scenarios are unlikely (based on their conversations with each other).
But my gut feeling is saying

Kitty

is a town here, which leaves this pool: {

NJAC

,

Porkens

,

Galron

}
Now, if

Galron

really soft-claimed as a town, then it confirms

NJAC

/

Porkens

scrum team (if we have 2 scums only, but if there is a 3rd scum/traitor then I don't know.... yet, will consider

geraintm

may be).

Unvoting for now but my vote is on either

NJAC

or

Porkens

today....

UNVOTE: Galron

Post 1082 literally quote my posts looking for a claim from me?

Isn't there some sort of tracking role or watching role that can see who goes to a house at night?

[Salsabil Faria]

We were talking about this post...

Okay, now that we are talking about softclaims, I didn't want to bring much attention to this, but I think it's better to clarify this soon: my main reason to unvote Galron on D1 was his softclaim.

@Professor. Was that softclaim your reason to ignore my question twice?

[MalcolmTucker]

Malcom has a definite manipulative scum vibe though.

You keep saying stuff like this but don't really provide any evidence for what I'm doing that's manipulating the gamestate. Your read here feels forced, like you need to pick somebody to scumread and so might as well go for someone who'd potentially be okay with eliminating you. What am I doing that's manipulative?

[MalcolmTucker]

@Salsa - I get Ger killing Crescent could seem a bit obvious but it was noted at the start of the game Crescent's a capable and skilled player, and I don't think anyone was shocked to see they were the NK. I think that cover would be enough for Ger to consider going for it and getting rid of Crescent anyway. If they're scum it hasn't worked out too badly here, they're not definitely going to be voted out and they've got rid of someone vocally scumreading them who was a bit of a town leader in the process.

So, your thinking is, let me get this straight....for me to suggest that people check out Crescent, and then immediately night one either scum me or one of my partners go round their house. And risk someone else be there and spot us?

That is what you think my plan one. Days before Crescent suspect me, I was already setting them up to kill because I knew that it wouldn't come back on me because I knew from my first post that later kn Crescent was going to think me scum?

My reasoning for you potentially killing Crescent is much simpler - Crescent is a good player and was scumreading you. If you are scum then it's in your self-interest to have Crescent removed from the game ASAP. Same could be said even for someone who Crescent was TR'ing because Crescent is someone who plays vigilantly and if town will provide in-depth analysis which is useful for town.

You saying Crescent should be checked doesn't really matter to me because there's no guarantee anyone in an important role was going to take your advice, doubly so toward the end of D1 when most of us were TR'ing Crescent. Investigate roles as a rule want to check players who seem scummy, not players others think are town.

[NJAC]

Busy weekend, will be posting properly in a few hours.

[MalcolmTucker]

Ever so slightly coming round to Galron as possible scum.

Does sort of feel like the slot is just floating along without doing much at the moment in a way which could be damage limitation for scum. Their play itself hasn't been hugely scummy but doesn't feel like they're doing a lot that feels overly townie either.

[MalcolmTucker]

Doing a bit of an ISO read and some of Galron's reads feel a bit opportunistic or underdeveloped at times as well.

There's some initial suspicion of Professor when that was the increasingly popular wagon but it feels very much like the type of read which could come from scum wanting to be on said popular wagon. I don't feel like Galron ever pushed there all that strongly.

Then there's a pretty late vote on Wayward which could have been construed as opportunistic as well. Again there's not really much of a push or a strongly developed read beyond the vote itself.

There'd also been an initial scumread on me largely based around my approach which was pretty weak and never went anywhere. Again in retrospect could have perhaps been quite forced in an attempt to look busy.

[NJAC]

Meanwhile, for those asking the softclaim I was referring to is 680.