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[Menalque]

Yeah and? It was her reads list and it was more than just you and ss

Yeh, and as far as we know the only ones of those she was still holding to by the end were S_S/me on which she was exactly zero for two

As she didn’t post updates, we have no way of knowing if reads that she posted a full 1/7 of the game ago are still the reads she had on death

[Datisi]

Did your eyes happen to gloss over for 7186?

i skimmed that but like the only thing i saw was "deas said my read on s_s is bad" and like i completely agree that your read on s_s was bad so idk what we're talking about here

also, the lack of "datisi and scamper are playing a 9000 IQ scum gambit" paranoia is noted

[Menalque]

I mean I happen to agree with wanting to kill at least 2 of the people still in there but I don’t think scum would kill ydra because she included them in a group of 6 over 1000 posts ago and I don’t think you seriously think that either, which makes posting her old readslist broadly irrelevant

[Menalque]

Did your eyes happen to gloss over for 7186?

i skimmed that but like the only thing i saw was "deas said my read on s_s is bad" and like i completely agree that your read on s_s was bad so idk what we're talking about here

also, the lack of "datisi and scamper are playing a 9000 IQ scum gambit" paranoia is noted

Well then read it again and also my read on S_S was correct which makes it better than about 90% of the PL who said he was scum

Also I’m not talking about that for what I think is a fairly obvious reason but which becomes more problematic if I start talking about it

[Menalque]

Problematic in an in-game logic sort of way, not in a general ~p r o b l e m a t i c~ sort of way

[Datisi]

ok i reread it idgi why is he scum

what progression of his on you/s_s should i be looking at that is apparently so damning

[Menalque]

Okay cliffnotes version, I have class soon:

(1) his reasons for SRing S_S going from D2 don’t really seem to be borne out at all when reading S_S posts — specifically that he said S_S was trying to keep him viable vs MT/gamma!slot without looking like he was doing so. Go look at S_S’ ISO for yourself, there’s like 3 posts even about DV iirc and I don’t think you could characterise any of them as “trying to keep DV available without looking like it to maybe save MT/gamma!slot”

(2) I don’t like that while he was happy to riff with me and gave a shaky sort of TR on my slot, the moment that I put him in my scum group he shifted to calling me scum and is now trying to characterise my play from yesterday as something he had issue with— only I think we can all agree I barely played yesterday and so what shifted for my play being something that merited a soft townread “when he thought about it” to being something he wants to “look at further today” or whatever the exact phrasing was when the content is all basically the same and the only thing that’s changed is that my orientation towards him went from playful->suspicious

[DeasVail]

Okay cliffnotes version, I have class soon:

(1) his reasons for SRing S_S going from D2 don’t really seem to be borne out at all when reading S_S posts — specifically that he said S_S was trying to keep him viable vs MT/gamma!slot without looking like he was doing so. Go look at S_S’ ISO for yourself, there’s like 3 posts even about DV iirc and I don’t think you could characterise any of them as “trying to keep DV available without looking like it to maybe save MT/gamma!slot”

(2) I don’t like that while he was happy to riff with me and gave a shaky sort of TR on my slot, the moment that I put him in my scum group he shifted to calling me scum and is now trying to characterise my play from yesterday as something he had issue with— only I think we can all agree I barely played yesterday and so what shifted for my play being something that merited a soft townread “when he thought about it” to being something he wants to “look at further today” or whatever the exact phrasing was when the content is all basically the same and the only thing that’s changed is that my orientation towards him went from playful->suspicious

I’m only able to engage superficially rn but I think it’s pretty reasonable to be looking at slots with suspicion after the townflip of someone I suspected to be scum.
I am aware that I may be unduly suspecting you in part because of your suspicion on me and I do want to avoid that, but I am missing what about that you actually think is scummy from me. As scum I could have just as easily continued to call you town and remained strong on S_S.

To some degree I don’t really believe that you feeel the scumread on me. Frogster was driving himself into the ground trying to convince everyone (and maybe even himself) that I was scum. Even fire’s suspicion on me felt like a true resignation to the fact that maybe I am scum. But your case seems to essentially boil down to the fact that we disagreed on S_S and that I OMGUS’d you, which combined with your reasoning on S_S town feel like really weak attempts to replicate a stronger towngame.

[DeasVail]

You pointing to the S_S iso is irrelevant and you should know this because you weren’t there. There was a real chance of me being eliminated instead of gamma and scum in that position were going to have to tread carefully. Do they give up on gamma or try to get me eliminated? How hard do they try? Do they say almost nothing about me (except for occasional shading) while also not committing to gamma in the hope that things may swing in my direction without them actually spearheading it? I’m not sure what’s so difficult to parse about that theory

[Menalque]

I mean sure, revisiting slots from other days makes sense but what makes my play "stand out" yesterday post-S_S flip? my speculation on why you would change on me from town->scum (which started pre-flip) is that if you thought being friendly might net you an ally in game state then it's beneficial to you because I think if I get mislimmed you'd be fairly shortly after me on the chopping block. if you could build a coalition/gain supporters it's 1 more vote that town needs to convince to lim you -- so idk what the benefit to scum!you is of staying town on me and scum on S_S after it became apparent that you were solidly in the pool of people I'd think about voting for

as for the second bit: yeah, sure, that's cause I'm not ~feeling~ it. I have some things that are pingy about you but I'm not that in the game yet, and right now you're the person drawing my attention bc there are things that feel off. I'm not even really campaigning for killing you atp, and I think anyone who knows me knows that me actually trying to get a lim looks v different to what I'm doing here. but people have been complaining that I'm not doing anything and I can't play unless I want to, and I only want to when there's things that ping my curiosity and make me wanna delve into the game further

on second post: uh, no, not really? I think S_S is fairly clear that he's not really pro-gamma lim on D2 and is actively calling the slot town earlier in the day, I think it's entirely relevant to look and see if in his posts I think you would reasonably have believed him to be doing what you said you thought he was doing, and I'm not really convinced which is what bothers me there. calling out context is fine I guess, but I looked at the couple of pages around that and it didn't really seem like there was a lot of bite or at least not enough for S_S extremely sparing comments to make you feel that he was stealthily trying to lim you

[Thestatusquo]

You pointing to the S_S iso is irrelevant and you should know this because you weren’t there. There was a real chance of me being eliminated instead of gamma and scum in that position were going to have to tread carefully. Do they give up on gamma or try to get me eliminated? How hard do they try? Do they say almost nothing about me (except for occasional shading) while also not committing to gamma in the hope that things may swing in my direction without them actually spearheading it? I’m not sure what’s so difficult to parse about that theory

Was there???

[GuiltyLion]

I don't think scum!fire has incentive to campaign so much for Smart yesterday, also I reread his ISO and it's just generally more town than I thought

ik i'm prob annoying but what can you do

why do you think scum wouldn't campaign for s_s, and *what* about his iso is so town?

It's probably not great to answer this explicitly but I feel like I have to with you continuing to follow up at this point

I thought fireisred and Ydra looked like masons together based on their early interactions

But then later I saw the Ydra post where she had fire in a vigpool, so nvm that was probably wrong

[GuiltyLion]

is my reasoning still weak when it's been proved to be correct?

You get why this is bad, right?

Have you never seen scum give an implausible townread on a player bc they're informed that slot is town?

I also maintain your reason for townreading S_S was bad, if you want to you should reply to my 6993 and explain why any of your reasoning shouldn't have equally applied to town!FB

[Datisi]

But then later I saw the Ydra post where she had fire in a vigpool, so nvm that was probably wrong

so

why is fire town again

[GuiltyLion]

I don't have an answer for you I was literally just trying to hint I thought he was Mason

When I am awake and caffeinated I will try to reorient myself again

[Frogsterking]

im prepared to flash wagon fire with x treme prejudice

also, flash wagon menalque

[fireisredsir]

yesss i love being prejudized

[fireisredsir]

i can't like srspost rn but i plan to this afternoon

my reads are all mushy and id like to try to fix that

[Dannflor]

hey menalque explain your ausuka read

[Dannflor]

this game is in a sorry state and I know I am contributing to that but I really have no will to go anywhere until something starts coming out of the mena slot

dann I don't really get this, why didn't you have any particular interest in going somewhere before stuff started coming out of my slot?

or I guess phrased slightly differently, why was my slot key for you to understand the game state here?

I didn't say that your slot was key for me to understand the game state here. But mentally your slot has been a bit of a road block for me. If you ISO me and CTRL + F obscure, you might see that I strongly scum read your slot entering the game and have been on a long tumultuous emotional journey trying to read your slot and getting a wagon going on you

at this point, it is going to be very tilting for me no matter which alignment you flip.

why do you scum read me?

[Dannflor]

Town!
CSF
Datisi
Ausuka
scamper

like this has 3 basically mechanically confirmed townies and ausuka

where did that read come from so strongly?

[Thestatusquo]

I feel like something is clicking in my head here.

But I'm not sure what. The way datisi reacted to the night kill is weird to me.

Frogster being so sure mela is scum while simultaneously being willing to "flash wagon fire with extreme prejudice." when that was the only serious option besides the two of them that was brought up all day is also weird.

[Dannflor]

datisi scum doctor confirmed??

[Thestatusquo]

It's really hard for me to sort through what I think about people's play yesterday because of how demotivated the whole game was.

Like I don't think Ausuka's play yesterday was particularly townie compared to how I felt about her play yesterday, but I'm not sure how much weight to put on that given the state of the day.

[Thestatusquo]

*play previously