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[Datisi]

I have a tendency of being defensive but sometimes I am right and I think I am right about this

i am Around but i am not able to focus very hard on this game currently for ??? reasons

i do agree dann looks Not Good in this exchange but like idk what is scum-him attempting to accomplish here

[Frogsterking]

yes

on second thought i feel like

any discussion regarding masons

is probably a bad idea

but yeah you can check the mafiawiki site to see what counts as normal fwiw

I'm actually thinking the opposite and am considering casing the remaining Masons if they continue to make shit use of their role and refuse to push the Mena -> fire -> Dann solve through.

[Ausuka]

I have a tendency of being defensive but sometimes I am right and I think I am right about this

i am Around but i am not able to focus very hard on this game currently for ??? reasons

i do agree dann looks Not Good in this exchange but like idk what is scum-him attempting to accomplish here

I think the intent was to like be paranoid because it is a Towny thing to do on the surface but it wasn't, like, thought through that well and his explanation fell flat

[Nero Cain]

Ausuka was really the only one pushing Datisi, right? It still makes little to no reason (at least to me) that scamper was willing to out a pr to get a single player to stop wasting their time. That said I think that scum could leave them alone for WIFOM.

My d2 suspicion on Scamper was that he was talking down the gamestate.

[Ausuka]

yes

on second thought i feel like

any discussion regarding masons

is probably a bad idea

but yeah you can check the mafiawiki site to see what counts as normal fwiw

I'm actually thinking the opposite and am considering casing the remaining Masons if they continue to make shit use of their role and refuse to push the Mena -> fire -> Dann solve through.

ok well that doesn't sound like a good idea

[Ausuka]

see i want to respond to this stuff but like

I don't think speculating about power roles is productive because I never want to exe scamper or dats today in any world

And I think based on what I've heard today the chance they nightkill me and then sweep is... small

[Datisi]

I'm actually thinking the opposite and am considering casing the remaining Masons if they continue to make shit use of their role and refuse to push the Mena -> fire -> Dann solve through.

why is fire now in between them?

also, @ausuka, idk i guess i can see that. i also thought your "we're winning" comment was odd, but i can also imagine scum think they can push you based on that

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I ISO'd Gamma, and Gamma's interactions with fire aren’t great. There were some softball questions, and this post in particular feels kind of like SvS interaction because it feels like interacting for the sake of it rather than trying to resolve something

Spoiler:

i do like the overlap in townreads that most of the people i townread have

maybe willing to just trust scamper's gamma read

definitely willing to find two ish people that are consensus scumread by the towncore and wagon em up and get things moving

frogster seems to be doing good work and being protown. tbh i live in fear that the other shoe will drop at any moment but i do think he's probably town here and i like the approach he's taking so far

What are your own thoughts on me?

i think i have a lot of trouble not just inherently reading a lot of what you say as fake and so i think it's better for me to outsource my read on you to other people

when i read your posts i still read you as scummy but it feels kinda the same as when i did in frenemies, until i figured out you were a mason and dropped it

Fair enough
I kinda wanna know what comes off as fake, in this game in particular I do see how I could feel that way

Contrast the tone there to how Gamma was talking to TSQ (starts at 3094), which felt more like scum being defensive and trying to "prove" herself to convince town.

Fire’s interactions with VPB aren’t really clearing either. There’s some shadethrowing (2264) but not much actual pushing there. I get the sense that fire was town reading VPB, but it’s unclear why.

[Ausuka]

i also think if it is, like, dann and someone else who is sus

pushing me is the kind of 'hail mary' play where it's like

you have a lot to gain and not much to lose

[Datisi]

I get the sense that fire was town reading VPB, but it’s unclear why.

that's the thing, he wasn't. i don't think he ever gave a concrete read on vpb, except for some vague dislike of his handling of the wagons

(then at one point vpb was like "hurr durr fire is reading me correctly that is odd" which like, fire never publicly said he was townreading vpb so that way but)

[Dannflor]

i wasn't even trying to push you Ausuka. like that was never intended to turn into me casing you and by the time it did I wasn't even feeling it anymore lmao

I guess I need to re-look at fire

menalque is still scummy

DV and Guilty are in this space where in the past I feel like I've had some pretty good individual reasons to town read them in the past but I need to revisit them to get that feeling back. As far as DV goes at least I feel like I'd always want to flip menalque first because I think menalque is probably not buddies with DV?

ok i really should go back to work now I've wasted a whole morning

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I got the sense that fire was townreading VPB because he never showed that much interest in voting there

but tbh I don't know if it's more or less partner indicative to not state a read on your partner all day

[Dannflor]

I don't really think I'm ever going to see Shea!scum

[Nero Cain]

you could just iso all the living players, I think that might be easier than reading day 1 @ CSF

[Thestatusquo]

redfire what are your reads rn?

prob most interested in looking for scum in dann, shea, SS, marci rn. a slight level below that would be xofelf and gamma

strongest TRs on ausuka, scamper, you. not quite as strong on datisi, hem, obscure, ydra, frog. then DV and GL are kinda weak townleans ig

i think thats everyone

okay this is funny
our strongest TRs line up but aside from that there's notable variance
I think I'll pencil in fire as town for this

do you have an opinion on this post, shea

yes

[Frogsterking]

why is fire now in between them?

You are thinking of Dease. I swapped him and fire because of fire's EoD3 and swapped Dease and Dann because Dann is playing my lurk + troll + tinfoil scum game and it's becoming more effective the more apathetic everyone becomes. Menalque should be pushed through before any more tinfoiling happens. You said you wanted Menalque to "town it the fuck up" and Menalque never did that. Now...Menalque is still alive. Why is Menalque not being voted? Menalque has been given every chance and refuses to do anything resembling a Town Beast. If anything Menalque has demonstrated they are a Scum Beast because they ended yesterday with only 2 votes and I'm the only one currently pushing them with any fervor.

[Datisi]

oh, that said dann, not dease. i thought you were gonna be at least a bit consistent with the tracker claim, but sure.

what about fire's eod3 is so bad that he's become your 2nd choice?

[Thestatusquo]

I don't really think I'm ever going to see Shea!scum

I dont even know what this is in reference to.

As an aside I kind of read the dann-ausuka exchange as TvT.

I don't think his reasons are AS bad as ausuka thinks they are. I think looking at interactions with gamma make sense and I haven't done any deep dives myself but I do kind of vibe with his point about Ausukas interactions towards gamma a bit.

When I fundamentally disagree with Ausuka here is that I don't think theres a ton of motivation for scum dannflor to come into the day and try to attack ausuka specifically. They say there's a lot to gain but I'm not really sure what that is, exactly. I don't think a push on Ausuka is ever going to work here and even if it somehow does what has scum accomplished if they're in the group of dann-mena or dann fire?

I would argue not much. They took out a consensus town read player who will surely take them down while doing it.

Shrug.

[Thestatusquo]

why is fire now in between them?

You are thinking of Dease. I swapped him and fire because of fire's EoD3 and swapped Dease and Dann because Dann is playing my lurk + troll + tinfoil scum game and it's becoming more effective the more apathetic everyone becomes. Menalque should be pushed through before any more tinfoiling happens. You said you wanted Menalque to "town it the fuck up" and Menalque never did that. Now...Menalque is still alive. Why is Menalque not being voted? Menalque has been given every chance and refuses to do anything resembling a Town Beast. If anything Menalque has demonstrated they are a Scum Beast because they ended yesterday with only 2 votes and I'm the only one currently pushing them with any fervor.

answer my question please.

[Thestatusquo]

I want to lim fire instead of mena I think but I'm not like super opposed to a mena flip because I have a hard time believing both wagons yesterday were on town with the way they moved.

[Thestatusquo]

I am opposed to a dann flip I think.

[Thestatusquo]

Also since it wasn't clear from the first post on the subject I think ausuka is town. But I think the things dann was picking out are at least somewhat reasonable things to be paranoid about, and I don't think its a scum play to put forth that kind of effort to poke ausuka like that in this gamestate.

[Thestatusquo]

I do kind of vibe with the point ausuka makes that dann has been relatively open to vague suspicion on almost everyone today. (see, comments about datisi for example) but I don't think thats like super inconsistent with a town player forcing themselves to reevaluate either.

[Thestatusquo]

I have a spicy secret scum read that I will keep under wraps for now lest I get made fun of.

[Frogsterking]

oh, that said dann, not dease. i thought you were gonna be at least a bit consistent with the tracker claim, but sure.

what about fire's eod3 is so bad that he's become your 2nd choice?

They had a bizarre conversation with Shea which did not look like a Townie thought process (7032) and their vote movements looked partnered with Mena because they unvoted him whenever his wagon was close and voted him again once it was clear thr S_S wagon was going through. Fire's D2 vote movements also looked partnered with Gamma. Fire's read progression on myself and Mena make no sense and their read on S_S looks opportunistic (and if they scum read him why switch off his wagon at the last second?)