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Post Post #7325 (ISO) » Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:36 am

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In post 7237, Thestatusquo wrote:Tell me why they're implausible to come from town. Should be easy given how certain you seem about it.
Off the top of my head after looking at it for ~15 seconds:


Menalque hasn't played with me before and usually people are confused by me the first time they interact with me, yet they listed me as Town. S_S was difficult to read as well and they also listed him as Town. They listed Nero as ??? even though he's an easy sort by looking at his activity level and skimming his ISO. They listed Dease as a scum which looks opportunistic since I was pushing them at the time for reasons which no one understands.

What was the point of doing that? It's a ridiculous and unbelievable list.
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Post Post #7326 (ISO) » Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:38 am

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In post 7324, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 7316, Datisi wrote:oh, that said dann, not dease. i thought you were gonna be at least a bit consistent with the tracker claim, but sure.

what about fire's eod3 is so bad that he's become your 2nd choice?
They had a bizarre conversation with Shea which did not look like a Townie thought process () and their vote movements looked partnered with Mena because they unvoted him whenever his wagon was close and voted him again once it was clear thr S_S wagon was going through. Fire's D2 vote movements also looked partnered with Gamma. Fire's read progression on myself and Mena make no sense and their read on S_S looks opportunistic (and if they scum read him why switch off his wagon at the last second?)
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In post 7237, Thestatusquo wrote:Tell me why they're implausible to come from town. Should be easy given how certain you seem about it.
Off the top of my head after looking at it for ~15 seconds:


Menalque hasn't played with me before and usually people are confused by me the first time they interact with me, yet they listed me as Town. S_S was difficult to read as well and they also listed him as Town. They listed Nero as ??? even though he's an easy sort by looking at his activity level and skimming his ISO. They listed Dease as a scum which looks opportunistic since I was pushing them at the time for reasons which no one understands.

What was the point of doing that? It's a ridiculous and unbelievable list.
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Post Post #7327 (ISO) » Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:40 am

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I don't really agree with any of those reasons.

I also town read S_S. I also town read you. Activity level does not make someone town as evidenced by all my scum games. And saying scum reading Deas is opportunistic because you were pushing him is just stupid when clearly the opportunistic scum play would be scum read S_S.

The point is that I do not agree that its a ridiculous and unbelievable list.

Nor do I really understand why even if you think its an unreasonable list that would be indicative of scum since townies have ridiculous reads all the time.
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Post Post #7328 (ISO) » Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:41 am

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The opportunistic point is SO bad because it ignores lots of other ways in which scum!mena could have been opportunistic and chose not to be, such as scum reading me, such as town reading Nero who was pretty universally town read. Such as scum reading the counter wagon.

This is just really bad logic.
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Post Post #7329 (ISO) » Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:42 am

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*such as NOT scum reading me.
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Post Post #7330 (ISO) » Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:45 am

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No I was right the first time. I need coffee. Mena townread me when the opportunistic play would be to scum read me. Mena town read S_S when the opportunistic play would be to scum read him. Mena ???piled Nero when the opportunistic play would be to town read there.
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Post Post #7331 (ISO) » Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:45 am

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Like is mena still scum? Idk maybe. But your argument is bad.
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Post Post #7332 (ISO) » Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:46 am

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In post 7328, Thestatusquo wrote:The opportunistic point is SO bad because it ignores lots of other ways in which scum!mena could have been opportunistic and chose not to be, such as scum reading me, such as town reading Nero who was pretty universally town read. Such as scum reading the counter wagon.

This is just really bad logic.
So we both agree his Townreads are ridiculous. Got it. Why are we fighting again?
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Post Post #7333 (ISO) » Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:56 am

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No?
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Post Post #7334 (ISO) » Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:57 am

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We're fighting because your reasoning is extremely bad and its annoying me.
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Post Post #7335 (ISO) » Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:44 am

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Menalque (1): Frogsterking
DeasVeil (1): Menalque
fireisredsir (1): Nero Cain
Dannflor (1): Ausuka
Not voting (8): scamper, Datisi, Cat Scratch Fever, Dannflor, fireisredsir, GuiltyLion, Thestatusquo, DeasVail
Day 4 will end in (expired on 2022-10-08 20:09:00). With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.
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Post Post #7336 (ISO) » Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:09 pm

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Menalque why did you choose DV over redfire or me?
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Post Post #7337 (ISO) » Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:13 pm

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V/LA for 3 days
because of family commitments but I’ll be as engaged as I can be during that time.

My reads at the moment are very much “idk” but I’m hoping to gain some clarity on that over the course of this game day.
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Post Post #7338 (ISO) » Thu Sep 29, 2022 1:03 pm

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As far as I understand it getting engaged is a binary state.
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Post Post #7339 (ISO) » Thu Sep 29, 2022 1:37 pm

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im gonna reread the whole game now

this will surely be useful it has never not been useful
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Post Post #7340 (ISO) » Thu Sep 29, 2022 2:40 pm

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hmm maybe someday ill reach the page that reminds me why i townread GL now
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Post Post #7341 (ISO) » Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:14 pm

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i just got to the GL vs VP section and thought "hmm this really looks like theatre" and then remembered that was already a topic of discussion
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Post Post #7342 (ISO) » Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:19 pm

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In post 7300, Datisi wrote:i do agree dann looks Not Good in this exchange
I actually think Ausuka looked worse...

I feel her getting defensive over the Gamma stuff was scummy
In post 4183, Ausuka wrote:Wtf no one invited me to the pt
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Post Post #7343 (ISO) » Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:26 pm

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Datisi prob is a scum doc but I'm not super super confident. Kinda bummed that I thought I had a good read on him.
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Post Post #7344 (ISO) » Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:33 pm

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traitor ausuka telling the vig to shoot her scumpartner without even being able to talk to them would be p funny
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Post Post #7345 (ISO) » Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:35 pm

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how else would she know there are vigs in the game unless mafia have protectives?
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Post Post #7346 (ISO) » Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:06 pm

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would 20p (even number of players) be more likely to have a vig

idk if that's actually true but it seems like something that could be true
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Post Post #7347 (ISO) » Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:44 pm

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kinda feeling exactly one town in mena/deas/GL tbh
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Post Post #7348 (ISO) » Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:13 pm

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frog might be scum as well actually

im on like page 64 right after he replaced in tho so idk maybe these opinions change later
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Post Post #7349 (ISO) » Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:14 pm

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i think irrel is actually p towny this time around
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