hi, i'm large normal 242. and i'm over with.

[Cape90]

Is cape's actions, somehow town to you though, does he do this every game? because if he does, it is a real easy meta to replicate as scum, and in general, very scummy

yes and yes and this is why I am divisive since I do this, but I would also say I am not out of scumrange for me yet but also within my townrange. Difference is I usually lose steam as scum later on (or have to try harder to post) and don't in town games.

Responding to this because I am obviously a 0 poster to you

[Nero Cain]

also, the time between 80 and 84 is 3 minutes so I don't think its the hesitation that he is trying to claim it is.

or maybe I just test fast or something.

[Nero Cain]

ofc this is also why after I pointed out that his case made no sense he fell back on "meta" but this is just normal Nero so....

[Fennec]

I'll agree the accusations were kinda shit, how you reacted to it is why I'm mainly suspicious of you. and testing out the waters which you were claimed to do, definitely seems like a possibility to me. An Answer could be why those actions where taken? and why were you so aggressive within the pages you were accused on? also can I also ask cape: Why did you mention nero swaying frog into voting ya? also maria was the one to start the nero vote so I'm also wondering what made ya do it maria? I'm reading back a bit, the original accusation and vote on nero was a bit out there, but your reaction to it is what really made me kinda doubting of you being town. Nero your a little bit less suspicious when reading back, so I'll cut ya the slack.

[Fennec]

Yeah I need maria to actually answer a question now: Why the fuck did you vote nero? You never gave a reason, let Cape/Frog do the accusation then just tagged the fuck on with that accusation and its reasoning?

[Cape90]

also can I also ask cape: Why did you mention nero swaying frog into voting ya?

To me Frogsterking's progression on me didn't seem natural, so I was just all like "oh you're just sheeping Nero"

[Save The Dragons]

Hello.

scumpost ngl

Legit thought this lmao but I'm going to tell myself it's NAI

Slow start, wouldn't like spamming the thread too much but

Readslist:

marcistar - SBPC. Usual marci posts that make me smile.
Frogsterking - "I may or may not post my survey start"

Gamma Emerald - Comment on elaborating something later.
Charloux - Stands out in a way that I don't think mafia would, I guess.

The rest

I'm just glad I am here and not 9 pages behind like last large game lmao

Is that the one we were both in you're talking about? Nightmare flashbacks of trying to catch up with about 60 pages after D1 only to end up voted out D2 anyway.

Yes

I’ll explain in a bit

The Maria vote?

No that’s RVS
Why did you think I meant that?

I wasn't sure between the 2 things you pulled up today. I felt like the Charloux thing was self-explanatorily interesting. Hence my slightest TL on him.

Wow I hate this

I will place some ideas out, I think i can give cape a decent town read... like a Null leaning town. everyone else? i gotta read up more on their meta and the game needs to progress more. For now, I'll be gone for an hour, i just woke up.

I tr this and this is the second time marcistar and I have "mindmelded" maybe so i want to tr marcistar

I kind of like frogsterking so far but have no real evidence for it just a vibe

idk man, I think scum do "will explain later" alot. Maybe it's just them mimicking townplay but its not something that scum never does. We can jusge Gamma once he comes back with his reasoning but I'm not a fan of yours.

I usually find

early = town
later = scum

Is there a reason you’re making an exception for me then, assuming I’ve read this right?

We are not out of RVS

I townleaned you

early = town

this does not contradict any statement I made

thanks?
You feel defensive.

I don't get this it, tossing in the "defensive" thing feels a little weird I wouldn't characterize that post as being defensive it looks like it's correcting your error unless i'm even more confused than i thought

I originally tr MariaR but then thought those posts about everything being NAI was really safe to make so I don't know. I don't know why I'm sharing this

Kill it with fire!

idk man, I think scum do "will explain later" alot. Maybe it's just them mimicking townplay but its not something that scum never does. We can jusge Gamma once he comes back with his reasoning but I'm not a fan of yours.

also Nero's read is kinda bad too

I should scum read you?

discredit me more scumbutt

your "testing the waters" theory doesn't hold

WATER

.

maybe you should look harder then?

then vote me chump

Throwing shade then start getting "violent" because you know you can't defend yourself using words. Looks pretty scummy to me

Also i think this avatar suits you better:

Spoiler:

you seem to accuse Nero of being scummy for his playstyle and then suggest he change his avatar which makes me think you know it's his playstyle you are attacking

Don't particularly understand all the early attention or the scumreads on Cape.

Nero has looked a bit more defensive but too early for anything on the level of a proper scumread on the slot so far.

this post is icky

Eh, the Greeting voters are a little sketch even if I am still not opposed there. For instance

VOTE: Toogeloo

I think Maria is town

Toog literally said they were sheeping pooky today. So if you want to target Toog you have to do it for that, not because you think greeting voters are sketch.

VOTE: Cape90

don't understand the movement away from Cape90 i don't think i've seen anything that's been particularly townie from them.

[Fennec]

Really nice fuckin post. Your bringing up a lot of things I agree with or never thought of.

1 - Why the fuck did we swerve from cape at all
2 - Why did maria voting someone make Cape/Frog just fucking accuse them into shit, then maria tags along with the accusation that they never made, despite being the initiator of the vote on them, and the entire reason an accusation started (While it wasn't theirs at all, despite it starting from them) And yes IK you didn't directly mention this, but the "Originally TR" gives me the vibe that you noticed that.
3 - The playstyle mention is something I'm agreeing with.
4 - Yeah, Cape's post is suspicious as all hell. and so much of his later posts too.

[Nero Cain]

An Answer could be why those actions where taken?

I voted cape b/c I felt like him trying to discredit me was scummy. (like I know he was saying that it was about trust, not about my ability and eh...) If your issue is that I didn't vote cape in 82 but 84 then I don't really have a good answer for you. I just did. Maybe I wanted a post with just a vote on him. Maybe I was just reacting and wasn't thinking about where my vote should go but I think the whole

you didn't vote him in 82

seems ridiculous

and why were you so aggressive within the pages you were accused on

is this basically a sheep of Charloux's 168 If so, the first 3 are quotes of mine aren't even relevant b/c they aren't me reacting to players that were scum reading me. 82 is maybe aggressive as is 153. I think 152 is more of cheeky response to your "Nero isn't answering THE question." I also think

Frog: Nero is scum for X

Nero: none of that even remotely makes sense b/c Y and Z

is responding and answering to the accusations so I was both baffled and alarmed that you made the claim that I wasn't.

to Charloux's credit, he did do his homework but I still don't think I was any more aggressive than I usually am or that I was any more aggressive than anyone else is when they are being pushed for bs.

[MariaR]

2 - Why did maria voting someone make Cape/Frog just fucking accuse them into shit, then maria tags along with the accusation that they never made, despite being the initiator of the vote on them, and the entire reason an accusation started (While it wasn't theirs at all, despite it starting from them) And yes IK you didn't directly mention this, but the "Originally TR" gives me the vibe that you noticed that.

Sorry can you point this out to me. I'm pretty sick rn so I've kinda been coasting

[MariaR]

Also, I think Cape is a villa if it means anything, the stuff they've presented I feel is easy to latch onto because it's a lot of content and while I disagree with some of the points made, they're helping the village push forward rn so I don't have an interest voting there

[Nero Cain]

Marie I sympathize that you have the flu but you are going to have to do more than shitpush Nero.

[Nero Cain]

like if you want to argue that 152 is aggressive then sure but I don't really think 149 is

[MariaR]

I don't think I've even been pushing you that hard, kinda just been stating I have a wolfread on you and keeping my vote on you, I don't think my contributions have done much in the way to get you voted, do you care about it that badly?

Switching my vote to Gamma is an option, but that isn't going to go anywhere and the other main option is cape who I don't agree with. Of course, I could start my own wagon but that's effort.
pedit: mmmm I don't have a problem with you being aggressive, we've played together enough that I know that's just your style of play I just don't think the way you've held conversations are coming from a villa mindset early in the game. Sure, you're overly defensive (and that's fine you're being pushed) but I'm not digging it.

Where should I be voting again?

[Nero Cain]

I don't care about your vote, just that I think you should be trying to do things.

what conversations aren't coming from a villa mindset?

[Fennec]

Ok. Your clear of the questions for now nero, because as i read through and your more current responses were posted, Your fucking RIGHT.

So Can I have some answers, some shit from
Cape, Frog, Maria, Charloux
Maria could be a Town that was used as a reason to pivot off, or just plain scum. Probably the Former, but the Latter is likely.
Charloux is a very minor suspicion, But i do think you should answer some of the things Save put out.
Frog had a bit of a fucking random pivot to a guy that isn't even here, then when maria voted accused nero with cape and then voted them for some pretty dogshit reasons. also my questions in my question post would be nice to see answered
Cape, If I rated Scum to town on a scale of -10 to +10 (- being scummy, + being town) You are like -5 to -7. I'm Betting 90% you'd flip scum. a flip from you gives a massive set of information to work with for D2, If you'd flip town or scum you'd still give a lot of information for D2.

I'm Gonna propose this
Cape, Frog, Maria, Charloux, Greeting, Nero, Crescent. Between this group, I'd say you'd have 2-4 Mafia here. within this core group of people for sure you'd find at least 2, probably 3.

Between them, I'd rate

Most Likely To Flip Town (This bar is basically Null/Null-Leaning)
Nero
Crescent (Definitely a Null Read, ever so slightly to town as they were randomly swerved on when they aren't even fucking here)
Charloux
Maria
Frog
Greeting

MASSIVE FUCKING GAP HERE

Cape
Least Likely To Flip Town

Also, Cape why the fuck are you thinking it is so dodgy to vote greeting? and why greeting are you somehow thinking cape is town from your perspective? also, Most of your reads ended up being some of the closer to Null or Scum people in the list too in that early set, and how were you able to judge one post as evil or townie? tell me. I asked it 250 posts ago, still wondering it now.

Also maria here is the post i want you to read a little behind and then a little foward for what I mean

Glad to see out of the 100 posts almost none of them were that helpful given how objectively nai they were

but hey VOTE: Nero it wasn't all that bad

if you read, Frog goes from Cape to Swerving to crescent randomly then completely agrees with cape on nero just around the page before and the next 2 pages after, with most of that action taking place in this page.

[MariaR]

I don't think me sitting here and chilling (or lack of doing things) has any indication on my alignment and that's not even including the current circumstances.

You seem way more interested in winning any conversation you're in than figuring out the alignment of the people in question anytime I glance over your posting.

[Fennec]

Basically, start from the page before (Page 4) then go to 2 pages after (Page 7) this is were the nero swerve happens and a bit before it to get why it is so confusing

[Greeting]

I'll agree the accusations were kinda shit, how you reacted to it is why I'm mainly suspicious of you. and testing out the waters which you were claimed to do, definitely seems like a possibility to me. An Answer could be why those actions where taken? and why were you so aggressive within the pages you were accused on? also can I also ask cape: Why did you mention nero swaying frog into voting ya? also maria was the one to start the nero vote so I'm also wondering what made ya do it maria? I'm reading back a bit, the original accusation and vote on nero was a bit out there, but your reaction to it is what really made me kinda doubting of you being town. Nero your a little bit less suspicious when reading back, so I'll cut ya the slack.

I’ll answer yours if you answer mine.

[Greeting]

I meant to quote 290 and not that. ^

[Cape90]

Also, Cape why the fuck are you thinking it is so dodgy to vote greeting?

Nero voters looked better then Greeting voters at the time.

Also I will just say Save The Dragons might already be out of his scum range

[MariaR]

@Fennec


So basically you're saying you don't think Frogs thinking is real, right? I do think if Nero is a villager Frog is a wolf because of the way they handled that sideline middle ground here and it looked partly advantageous. Like, if both of them are a villager I would be quite surprised. Frog's trap posting of saying if I unvote Nero we're partners is really bad.

Anyway, Gamma's posting is pretty weak and as someone who can read Gamma pretty well, what are your thoughts on them? I feel like Gamma and MT need to have a bit more of a spotlight then they're given because the loud voices are drowning everything else out at the moment.

[Cape90]

Wow I hate this

only person who should hate me at least trying to push the game forwards is scum though

[MariaR]

The only appeal a Cape vote has is I can look at all the people that voted him but I'm not feeling that sadistic yet. Having only 3 good TR's is lame though

[Cape90]

I originally tr MariaR but then thought those posts about everything being NAI was really safe to make so I don't know. I don't know why I'm sharing this

What posts? You never quoted anything from Maria in this post