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Post Post #500 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:29 pm

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In post 492, unwnd wrote:Do you think it's possible to seperate those experiences, or perhaps they are just..deluding me?
I'm not sure, it seems like they struck a chord with you by suggesting (lying) that I am afraid of interacting with other players directly. My guess is that they were looking for an angle they thought might work on you and they found one.
In post 489, skitter30 wrote:
In post 483, skitter30 wrote:Fwiw i'm reading them as experienced in mafia but new to ms and is used to a different site meta (and/or possibly an irl player new to forum mafia)
Ok can you at least comfirm or deny this theory?
Yes, I have played on ms before and I am much more familiar with irl and other site metas.
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Post Post #501 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:30 pm

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In post 499, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:like I'm giving him the oppurtunity to sort me and explain his read and he's like "nah you're scum I won't talk to you"

so it's not really a "he doesnt have time to engage" or real life time issue - it's just he is actively choosing to not sort or engage and instead just make declarative statements and lamist.
This is scum ate and not really convincing in my eyes.
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Post Post #502 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:31 pm

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what emotion am I appealing to
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Post Post #503 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:31 pm

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In post 500, Scoliosis wrote:I'm not sure, it seems like they struck a chord with you by suggesting (lying) that I am afraid of interacting with other players directly. My guess is that they were looking for an angle they thought might work on you and they found one.
You saying you're not sure is that type of humility I enjoy. What are some other things you're not sure about? Do you feel these are things you don't want to talk about because of it?
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Post Post #504 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:32 pm

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I'm going to ignore pookythebear and focus on compiling my reads list. I suggest everyone else do the same, but suit yourselves.
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Post Post #505 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:33 pm

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I like this bear.
just because you get evil player role doesn't mean you are a evil person at HEART - KainTepes!!!
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Post Post #506 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:35 pm

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In post 488, Scoliosis wrote:
In post 482, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:he is both an alt and a gimmick player and the way he's engaging with the thread is very ++scum for him I'm not going to alt out him
Pookythebear has no idea who I am. This is an attempt to clutter up the thread because he's worried now.
also wtf am i supposed to be worried about exactly

I voted for you.

and then

<<blank happened>>

and now you're saying I'm worried because ???
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Post Post #507 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:40 pm

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In post 0, Datisi wrote:Val89
Ydrasse Church
innocentvillager MalcolmTucker
geraintm
Herta
PookyTheMagicalBear Testarossa*
Freedom redcardinal*
Dannflor*
unwnd Emperor flippyNips*
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In post 503, unwnd wrote:
In post 500, Scoliosis wrote:I'm not sure, it seems like they struck a chord with you by suggesting (lying) that I am afraid of interacting with other players directly. My guess is that they were looking for an angle they thought might work on you and they found one.
You saying you're not sure is that type of humility I enjoy. What are some other things you're not sure about? Do you feel these are things you don't want to talk about because of it?
I don't understand the last question. I can break down where I don't feel confident though.

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Town: KT, Ydra, innocentvillager, val, herta, unwnd, (toto)

Scum: Pookythebear

Reads I don't feel confident:

Town: 0

Neutral: Dannflor, geraintm, freedom,

Scum: skitter
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Post Post #508 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:42 pm

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Pooky swoops in and takes over

VOTE: scoliosis
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Post Post #509 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:43 pm

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That's E-1 or E-2
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Post Post #510 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:44 pm

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Whatever. Not much lost in my opinion as far as playing with this town. You know where I stand from my reads list above. Good luck!
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Post Post #511 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:46 pm

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I was assuming that you only post if you're sure about something. This would maybe explain your approach

Just trying to get to know you, Mr. curvature of the spine
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Post Post #512 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:47 pm

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #513 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:55 pm

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In post 511, unwnd wrote:I was assuming that you only post if you're sure about something. This would maybe explain your approach

Just trying to get to know you, Mr. curvature of the spine
One thing this does remind me of is that I refrained from saying last night that I think geraintm is more likely to be scum if skitter ends up being town.
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Post Post #514 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:58 pm

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Post Post #515 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:07 pm

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In post 514, Ydrasse wrote:huh
Unwnd reminded me there were some things I didn't share because I wasn't sure if they would be useful. One of my ideas was about geraintm and skitter.

If skitter flips town I think geraintm looks bad:
In post 103, geraintm wrote:
In post 67, skitter30 wrote:I dont get, or like, the church wagon
I think we should be wagoning herta or kittytacky
Naughty point. Didn't like your stream of posts
In post 120, geraintm wrote:
In post 115, unwnd wrote:
In post 103, geraintm wrote:
In post 67, skitter30 wrote:I dont get, or like, the church wagon
I think we should be wagoning herta or kittytacky
Naughty point. Didn't like your stream of posts
What does naughty point mean here
Something for me to remember for later that I didn't like that player
In post 154, geraintm wrote:
In post 125, skitter30 wrote:
In post 103, geraintm wrote:
In post 67, skitter30 wrote:I dont get, or like, the church wagon
I think we should be wagoning herta or kittytacky
Naughty point. Didn't like your stream of posts
In post 106, Val89 wrote:VOTE: skitter30
Would love to hear more abt both of these
the 4 posts from you 64-67 i just didnt think went anywhere and were filling the game with no content.
I think an argument could also be made in that situation (skitter town, geraintm scum) that this is a bus vote:
In post 44, geraintm wrote:
In post 39, Herta wrote:Nah there's no sane reason to over-analyze this unless you're tryharding yourself.
VOTE: herta for this
Voting herta while not pushing it and discrediting one of herta's attackers (skitter.)
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Post Post #516 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:15 pm

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Reads I feel confident:

Town: KT, Ydra, innocentvillager, val, unwnd, (toto)

Scum: Pookythebear

Reads I don't feel confident:

Town: herta

Neutral: Dannflor, geraintm, freedom,

Scum: skitter

explaining my shift here. I think if I am wrong on skitter then geraintm and herta look much worse.
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Post Post #517 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:23 pm

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In post 264, Herta wrote:Okay I had a pocket scum read on skitter last night but I feel better about her today for some reason.
In post 300, Herta wrote:unwnd do you scum read anyone yet?
In post 301, Herta wrote:
In post 36, Herta wrote:Posting here on a hunch.
gera what happened here?
In post 302, Herta wrote:
In post 301, Herta wrote:
In post 36, Herta wrote:Posting here on a hunch.
gera what happened here? I felt let down.
In post 18, geraintm wrote:this game has taken so long to get going, ive been in the queue for ages :(

im going tobe so out of my depth with this game, excuses now for bumbling through it.

anyways, Wales off to play Iran in 19 minutes. i am hopeful of a 2-1 Welsh win
In post 303, Herta wrote:
In post 18, geraintm wrote:im going tobe so out of my depth with this game, excuses now for bumbling through it.
Actually what is this your I'm an inept clown scum game? I've seen that before.
In post 304, Herta wrote:VOTE: gera
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In post 508, Herta wrote:Pooky swoops in and takes over

VOTE: scoliosis
Herta, what's up with that read trajectory on geraintm? Why does it look like you two are pushing each other for distancing? Geraintm is voting you while dissing skitter.
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Post Post #518 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:32 pm

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Somehow I feel like pookythebear/herta/geraintm makes as much sense as pookythebear/skitter/unknown lurker. Either way, I don't think town will win unless pookythebear is voted out.

My suggestion if you hammer me is to vote out pooky next because I think they are most likely to be scum. Then, instead of voting out skitter or herta, I would vote out geraintm, because I think that reveal will be most useful and herta and skitter are more engaged.
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Post Post #519 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:40 pm

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pooky why are you scum reading me
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Post Post #520 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:52 pm

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VOTE: Herta
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Post Post #521 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:14 pm

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In post 419, Dannflor wrote:VOTE: pooky

I’m v sick rnow :(
I hope you feel better!
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Post Post #522 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:17 pm

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In post 417, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 416, Freedom wrote:
In post 366, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 361, unwnd wrote:
In post 357, Ydrasse wrote:vote testa w me

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What do you think of Skitter but actually? Also dann
not to be cryptic but read them both and i went “ok very cool” and came out feeling nothing but wisps of bad about both for reasons that i’m struggling to word right now but it’s like they’re both sort of loose and present but not normal versions of themselves
Don't mind me asking but what are they usually like?
i expect more from them i guess

like digging deeper than they have so far
I see.
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Post Post #523 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:18 pm

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I don't really think my reason to town read Herta was good. Looking at again, I would town read it more if it actually shut down conversation with skitter. Because the tone of the post is like "fuck you for being aggro" but the actual action the post takes is to be super reasonable and
come off looking like the good guy
. This is not to say that shutting down a conversation is towny but I think generally scum are less likely to want to do that unless they are fairly experienced because they *want* to be seen as towny. The fact that this post's tone and actions don't really align either means I think I was wrong to town read Herta for it.

Also, Herta rolled scum in 2177, and while there's nothing that perfectly matches the tone of that post, there is a similar sort of... indignation in posts 748, 749, 750, and 751 after Shoshin starts pushing them. So like again, the tone here probably was a bad reason to town read Herta

but uh anyway that vote on Scoliosis is pretty bad. Herta has not mentioned Scoliosis once this game, and I think any townie would have some natural suspicion towards Pooky's bombastic entrance to the game.

the fact that Herta didn't try to engage with either side of the 1v1, didn't comment on either side of the 1v1, but *did* feel obligated to make a comment such as "Pooky sweeps in and takes over" which is just a statement about the game and not a position on anyone's alignment is pretty much a move ripped straight from Herta's scum game in 2177. It reads exactly like someone who is awkward in the thread, doesn't want to state reads on big wagons, and wants to blend in but doesn't know how.

I really disagree with Pooky's take that Herta is somehow fluid in this thread, and I would like more elaboration on that.

Like, if I go through Herta's ISO and look at the actual number of opinions Herta has outed, I can count them on one hand.

, , and are all trying to look like their giving an opinion, but immediately qualify or nullify that opinion.

Church is a good vote until I guess Ydrasse replaces Church and then Church is no longer a good vote?

Herta maybe had a pocket scum read on skitter but then immediately feels better about it.

Gera is maybe scum? except no Herta is willing to vote Scoliosis 200 posts later without progressing at all on Gera or developing a read on Scoliosis

The only strong opinion that Herta outs is the meta town read on KT, which is like fine and all but this is exactly the easiest type of read for scum to form. And it's basically the only read Herta has explained. They seem very awkward pushing anyone but much more comfortable when explaining their read on KT, and that's a mark of someone who isn't comfortable playing scum

In general there's just a lot of posts that ask questions but never get followed up on, or lots of posts that try to portray some sort of background thought process like "something to note for now" or "there's something else I'm waiting for and need to sit on" in regards to Kitty, but also have yet to be followed up on and feel... LAMIST more than something a townie actually puts down because they think that non-information will be useful
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Post Post #524 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:19 pm

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my initial take is that the wagon on scoliosis is bad and so I really think Herta jumping on there and in the way they did was not good

I'll reserve my read on Pooky for now

I've pretty much 180'd on unwnd
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