Large Normal 208 - Fireworks Festival [End]

[pienyan]

votecount 1-2.20

Quick (8) - Whiskers, Cabd, beeboy, gerryoat, UC Voyager, Nauci, Flubbernugget, Nero Cain

Flubbernugget (5) - HolySpiritTurtle, MathBlade, Joey_, Rhah, Quick
Whiskers (1) - AxleGreaser
UC Voyager (1) - TwoInAMillion

Not voting (2) - Shiro, I Am Innocent

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is October 23, 15:00 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2017-10-23 15:00:00).

Nauci is V/LA until October 23.

[beeboy]

UNVOTE:

I don't like leaving people at L-1

[Nero Cain]

You realize why I am blacklisting you right?

angry and lashing out like my 3-year-old nephew?

scum that's threatening me?

we can still ANALYZE her INTERACTIONS with the flipped wagons and with other players.

I don't really think that's going to be anything reliable. I don't.

[Quick]

You realize why I am blacklisting you right?

angry and lashing out like my 3-year-old nephew?

scum that's threatening me?

No because you said I was VI and you said you would rather see me lynched even though you think I am Town.

[Quick]

UNVOTE:

I don't like leaving people at L-1

Really?

What would I be holding off self hammering for exactly?

[beeboy]

UNVOTE:

I don't like leaving people at L-1

Really?

What would I be holding off self hammering for exactly?

IaI catch up.

[beeboy]

and the MathBlade catch up even if there is content from that slot.
And maybe the Shiro catch up if they have started that.

[Whiskers]

So was that a waste of your fucking time?
Nope. We are now talking, you see I am not just railroading you, and then I possibly have more questions.
They wont be railroading you either.

I don't really understand this. Did I say this would be a waste of my fucking time? :\


However my vote is still on you.

I have some other issues with your ISO, back in the range From about 253 Onwards.

i just ctrl+f "angry" on alisae's iso and he never mentionned you being angry : )

This feels just as faked as Whisker's Anger.

Get rekt, scrub.

I find too many posts like this where you defend yourself.

and fine you are meant to do that.
and yes a bit later you had a vote on, Alisae.

but this does not feel to me like you are trying to work out Alisae
or trying to drive that scum case forward.
Having fended them off you feel Happy with just that.

I know that as that is my feel read kind of thing, there is perhaps nothing you can really say.
You are busy, but if you want to talk me off that point, but i think its unlikely you could go back remember what you were doing as a towny and explain it more.

My push on Alisae wasn't getting traction. Nobody was willing to look at her while I pushed, and my push was largely a hypocritical push on me and otherwise having bad logic. Plus posts like the "get rekt" one, I was 2v1 and appreciated being able to wave a mistake in their face.

Spoiler: Filler

292 explains what a filler post is to Joey. Which a bit ironically looks like filler to me or IIOA. Whatever the right buzzword is.
304 then tries again, with a different explanation

Basically, I see you playing in the thread in that part of the game, dont see your towny intent.

My question

I suppose is can you explain whats going on so I see the towny intent?

Its just this time i dont think there is an explanation that is going to change my view.
It would also get long and bogged down as there are other examples.

Also, remember that the IRL timeframe for this was about a day. That day I had work to catchup on and what amounts to a doctor's appointment. Then I played Fallout and slept. Over the span of ~24 hours, I wasn't really contributing to the thread via reads. I was generating reads via interaction, (in other words, defending myself,) but I didn't have the time to sit down and focus on ISOing people and coming up with a comprehensive reads list or really actually getting my head into the meat of the game.
I did that the next evening.

My best advice is work at finding scum.

...why are you coaching me?

The exact status of this vote is:
I don't like the Flubber wagon.
Not enamored with the UCV one. (vacuous.)

Good, then we're in the same place.

I have not yet integrated the stuff after your reads list into where i am at.
but:
To vote somewhere else I would need somewhere else better to vote.

Consider Quick.

Spoiler: Gerryoat question

Also:

Lastly: Re your comment on my Gerryoat Question

Spoiler: Pretty sure my gerryoat question didnt miss anything

My as yet I believe unanswered, gerryoat question.

In this viewtopic.php?p=9680521#p9680521 You catch the exchange between gerry and Dunk regarding the line, "Is this satire or an actual read?"
What you missed in your post was that

Dunk had actually admitted it was sarcasm [/i] earlier[/i] in the Day

-- like, shortly after he made his initial "this is locktown" post.

If you saw this post:

his earlier posts felt like a grab at towncred
his other posts seem more like go with the flow and just not really do anything
idk don't question it
yes i'm a hypocrite and no i don't care

That when you read it in context is Dunkers explanation of the Beeboy vote.

So if you still think that can you give me a post number.

I will get back to this. There's kind of a tonal shift from the rest of your post and while all I needed to read the rest of your post was a night's sleep, I'm still having a little trouble with this part.

[Whiskers]

we can still ANALYZE her INTERACTIONS with the flipped wagons and with other players.

I don't really think that's going to be anything reliable. I don't.

It's gonna be more reliable than not having that analysis and voting her because of something she said in RVS.

[Whiskers]

So when I state a reason for something, my initial reasons are not good enough because people don't understand the point.

And then you go,

Nope, don't feel like it.

[Quick]

UNVOTE:

I don't like leaving people at L-1

Really?

What would I be holding off self hammering for exactly?

IaI catch up.

Oh right. I forgot they were playing. Why would I want to withhold self hammering for a catchup?

[Whiskers]

UNVOTE:

I don't like leaving people at L-1

Really?

What would I be holding off self hammering for exactly?

Also, catchup/noobs have a tendency to lolhammer early.

ok, quad-post over.

[Nero Cain]

I like how you guys keep claiming that I was voting her for wanting to pl someone when I never said that. But let's play devil's advocate, why can't scum say and do things in RVS that are lynch worthy? Are you saying that RVS is off limits for scummy activity?

[Nero Cain]

@Quick

your reading skills are p subpar. :/

I had just got done saying that I don't think you are all that likely to flip scum

BUT

I voted you for reasons. Those reasons being that I could be wrong and I think the day should end b/c we aren't going to get anywhere without a flip.

You then accused me of voting without any reasons.

[beeboy]

@Quick
You enter the game say you dont like how fast it is going then somehow become one of the top posters. That right there is you adding to sonething you admit is a problem. Like just post less...

In terms of showing people your town pushing reads > defending yourself and youve almost purely done the latter this game.

Also you say you dont like to cooperate with people which is just a fundamental part of mafia whether you like it or not.

You also have just beem stubborn at various parts of this game which didnt really help you at all.

Those are 4 things about your play if your town i think you can work on.

[Whiskers]

I think that my biggest problem with Nauci is that her first post was mainly CABD related and that feels like a safe conversation to hang her hat on.

vote: Nauci

that Nauci took a more "Cabd is town" approach from it which i kinda liked more

like I get the whole "CABD is a killing role he's town." (day sk? lol) but if Nauci is scum wouldn't "CABD is town!" stance be a good way to get town cred?

Maybe but she's also new. I think new scum could be subdued and passive. Town also OMGUS SUPER HARD. Pushing ppl is always a risk. I could see scum her not pushing anyone so she doesn't get OMGUS scum read.

^This was your reason for voting Nauci

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@nero who do you think the "second lynch" should be? Or rather, who do you think the two lynches, in no particular order should be?

I've already kinda answered this. I am voting Nauci.I said I wouldn't really oppose a lynch on 2iam. I', also considering a policy lynch on the miller claim and Axel feels like he's active lurking. I'd prob be ok with any of those.

Nauci is noob. if you still think she's a problem, attempt lynch tomorrow. Not inherently scummy nor more scummy than many we've seen.

btw @Nauci you don't actually have to do the code for your vote/unvote, you can just bold your vote, most mods pick it up fine.

^This was the start of our discussion/argument about lynching newbies.

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I like how you guys keep claiming that I was voting her for wanting to pl someone when I never said that. But let's play devil's advocate, why can't scum say and do things in RVS that are lynch worthy? Are you saying that RVS is off limits for scummy activity?

Nah, but your reads should change/develop past page 20 or whatever.
The post where I first say, "don't lynch noobs day 1" was on page 23. We've since discussed whether or not you should lynch noobs, but iiuc you haven't actually given any reason why you think she's scum since then.

[Whiskers]

Those are 4 things about your play if your town i think you can work on.

If he's scum he should probably work on them as well...

[I Am Innocent]

UNVOTE:

I don't like leaving people at L-1

Really?

What would I be holding off self hammering for exactly?

IaI catch up.

On page 20, need to get the kiddos down before I can resume. What I can share is there are at least 4 questionable cats on the quick wagon so I doubt he's scum just from that.

As of page 20 whiskers and nauci are my top 2 suspects.

[Quick]

votecount 1-2.20

Quick (8) - Whiskers, Cabd, beeboy, gerryoat, UC Voyager, Nauci, Flubbernugget, Nero Cain

Flubbernugget (5) - HolySpiritTurtle, MathBlade, Joey_, Rhah, Quick
Whiskers (1) - AxleGreaser
UC Voyager (1) - TwoInAMillion

Not voting (2) - Shiro, I Am Innocent

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is October 23, 15:00 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2017-10-23 15:00:00).

Nauci is V/LA until October 23.

Beeboy prolly Town, undecided on Joey, but prolly Scum, Whiskers prolly Scum. Gerry is ??? UCV is ???, Nauci I can see either or, Flubber could be Scum, I Lean Town on Nero.

[Quick]

I've pretty much said all I have to say about this game. Go ahead and hammer.

[TwoInAMillion]

This sounds like a policy lynch which is almost for sure going to end up a mislynch

[Nero Cain]

This was your reason for voting Nauci

yes. that has like nothing to do with a policy lynch.

Nah, but your reads should change/develop past page 20 or whatever.

I

somewhat

agree. Like reads are going to change but sometimes a player will still think a slot is scummy so like they don't

HAVE

to change.

[Whiskers]

Beeboy prolly Town, undecided on Joey, but prolly Scum, Whiskers prolly Scum. Gerry is ??? UCV is ???, Nauci I can see either or, Flubber could be Scum, I Lean Town on Nero.

Read on Alisae/Math slot?

I ask because Joey, Whiskers, Quick, and Alisae are all pretty interestingly linked/have interesting interactions. The four of us made up the majority of the thread I think.

[Whiskers]

This was your reason for voting Nauci

yes. that has like nothing to do with a policy lynch.

Nah, but your reads should change/develop past page 20 or whatever.

I

somewhat

agree. Like reads are going to change but sometimes a player will still think a slot is scummy so like they don't

HAVE

to change.

actually, I'm p sure I said you were in the group that attacked/questioned

ME

for "wanting to policy lynch

Quick

" (which never really happened btw). I was mistaken, that was not you.

Nauci said that

You

wanted to policy lynch

Her,

idk where that came from. Looks like she was mistaken too.

But I think the initial read on Nauci was weak and you should revisit. Like I can argue your initial reads but I don't see the point, in defending her nor in addressing reads that haven't been updated since RVS.

[Whiskers]

In the meantime do you think we lose anything by extending the Day phase to it's full length? Both so Shiro/IaI can catchup, and so we can do things like interrogate UC Voyager or whomever?