Even better. Lol...In post 2249, Srceenplay wrote:and flavor
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??????In post 2242, Gamma Emerald wrote:How did this setup get passed...
NRG you fucked up
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How did you vote a confirmed miller when mafia miller is strictly forbidden in normals?In post 2242, Gamma Emerald wrote:How did this setup get passed...
NRG you fucked up
go ahead and release my PT"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
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Says the guy who had reads even worse than mineIn post 2246, havingfitz wrote:Good game scum (mvp FL)."I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend- Fro99er
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I mean, I didn’t play great but I definitely would have nailed FL which is why he had to kill me, and I felt I did a good job of recognizing town Hawk when everyone else wanted him hung D1 just for claiming miller and I recognized town gamma and scum FL before I died.
Fitz is just salty i pushed through his lynch"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
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Another game had me confusedIn post 2252, Fro99er wrote:
How did you vote a confirmed miller when mafia miller is strictly forbidden in normals?In post 2242, Gamma Emerald wrote:How did this setup get passed...
NRG you fucked up
go ahead and release my PT<Embrace The Void>
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depends on contextIn post 2257, Creature wrote:Miller is more of a named town than a negative utility imo.
w a cop, it's neg utility bc it's one fewer townie that can be cop cleared
w a rolecop, it's a definitive inno
wo those, it's really nothing (idk about all the "named townie" stuff... named townie has more of an IC element to it whereas a miller wo an investigative doesn't do anything and there's no good way to predict if the miller claim is real or not)The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.- Creature
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Miller claims D1.In post 2259, Antihero wrote:w a cop, it's neg utility bc it's one fewer townie that can be cop cleared
Cop avoids miller and get other results.
If cop dies earlier, miller will work as a named town regardless, which is useful even if there's no rolecop.Sigh- Creature
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i get that...
cop has no definitive way of being able to tell if claimed miller is actually miller or scum fakeclaiming tho
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i guess i just thought "named townie" was always used as a flavor IC (if someone claims it and isn't CCed, they're conftown)In post 2261, Creature wrote:Sure, scum can claim miller, but as much as scum can claim named town.
do ppl use named townie another way? that's kinda dumbThe distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.- Creature
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Some considered replacing IC with named town (there was a discussion about it).In post 2264, Antihero wrote:
i guess i just thought "named townie" was always used as a flavor IC (if someone claims it and isn't CCed, they're conftown)In post 2261, Creature wrote:Sure, scum can claim miller, but as much as scum can claim named town.
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if the setup info SAID there was a named townie and no one CCed, ofc notIn post 2263, Creature wrote:Would you investigate someone who claims named town?
if not, then... yeahThe distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.- Gamma Emerald
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Which of my reads were bad Frogger?In post 2253, Fro99er wrote:
Says the guy who had reads even worse than mineIn post 2246, havingfitz wrote:Good game scum (mvp FL).
My D1 Gamma scum read which I backed off of after closer review? Something you failed to do with me.
My D1 suspicions towards Creature?
My D1 Smocaine suspicions which you shared?
My D2 Flavor suspicions which you discounted as NAI?
My D3 Creature suspicions when you had him as town?
lol at your reads being any good. You did call FL scum. Considering you voted 10 of the players in this game (9 if we don't count you...but not once Flavor) yeah...you did great. Your D1 lovefest with "Mulchy" was a thing of beauty. Thankfully Anti's guilty on Mulch prevented you from "masoning" away the game with him...lol.
I admit it though...I am a bit snarky when I get a mislynch pushed on me in ~12 hours for sh*t reasoning from someone with blinders on throwing a shit fit in the game (aka tantrum) and repeatedly calling town f*cking idiots when they aren't getting their way. lol...so you got that snarky read spot on.
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Also, @Two - I legit was just away from the game and wasn’t really caught up, so when you came in and pushed me, it made it easy for me to post and tunnel onto you the first few days.
And yeah, I kill off my threats when they don’t incriminate me. Transcend, Antihero, Frog, all we’re my immediate threats that would have pushed me. Two got townie, and it allowed me to kill there. Chara was the kill that was worrisome for me, but it worked out.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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Also, I thought Antihero was our traitor. even after the guilty.
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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_GameRoles which are explicitly Normal for Town only include:
Vanilla Townie, Friendly Neighbor, Innocent Child, Mason,, Vigilante, any roles listed as "for any alignment"Miller
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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=MillerFor obvious reasons, standard Millers are Town.Normal Guidelines
A Miller that knows they are a Miller and flips as such is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. A Miller returns a guilty result if investigated by a Cop, "Miller" if investigated by a Role Cop, and "non-Vanilla" to a Vanilla Cop. The Normal variant of Miller specifically only produces a false guilty to a Cop and Seer, so for example, a Gunsmith will see them as having no gun (unless they have a gun for some other reason).
wrt balance in traitor games...
Subject: Srceenplay's Mini Normal Review
Subject: Srceenplay's Mini Normal Reviewmhsmith0 wrote:Last I checked mini normals with traitors were ballpark 50% town win rate
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some recent ones:
1954 town
PT cop, 2x masons, neighborizer, PT enabler
vs enctyptor, even roleblocker, traitor
1938 scum
JOAT (doc/jk/bg), 2-shot vig, gunsmith
vs neighborizer, JOAT (cop/rolecop), BP traitor
1895 town
neighbor/cop, neighbor, neighbor, fruit vendor, doc
vs odd roleblocker, even roleblocker, traitor
1814 scum
non-consecutive jailer, joat (voeur, bg, neapolitan, neighborizer, motion detector, follower), weak doctor, 2-shot commuter
vs goon, goon, traitor encryptor
1762 town
3-shot jailkeeper, gunsmith, 1-shot vig
vs goon, goon, traitor
etc
I'll explicitly take any and all comments wrt balance since it was my explicit suggestion on balance that was taken. I think in retrospect... balance was about correct. Scum outplayed town, but not massively so, and scum won. A gunsmith here would have been incredibly risky because it sets up a godfather (the traitor) who's completely unkillable by his faction, and can only be caught by the rolecop... and town didn't have enough power to justify that kind of "it probably won't happen, but if it DID happen then it's really bad news" outcome (and as it so happened, anti DID investigate mulch n1, so if he was a gunsmith instead of a cop, then town would have been in enormous trouble just on PR actions).mhsmith0 wrote:
That is definiteli NOT a lot for town.In post 37, Srceenplay wrote:Gunsmith
Role Cop
Neighbourizer
Miller
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Roleblocker Traitor
Goon
Encryption
Like, against the equivalent of a 3 goon team it's probably acceptable
But you have one strong role (gs - which scum can still BS around, and which will falsely clear the traitor and falsely guilty the rolecop), one situationally decent role (role cop can find two scum roles and verify the miller), a miller who's normally NU but can be cleared by rolecop (and GS? i admittedly forget on that one), and a neighborizer, which is completely useless most of the time.
Change gunsmtih to cop and you're probably fine here. Give town something small otherwise (even night doc?) and you're probably fine as well.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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