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[Fredrick A Campbell]

Dear Lowell,

Andante and I have questioned you regarding post 169. The questions are kind of similar and are found in posts 179 and 200.

Your response or lack thereof will have consequences.

Yours sincerely,
Fredrick A Campbell.

Attached: post 168 for context.

[Vivax]

The idea that someone is only town off "tone" is incompatible with thinking the wagon is bad. Feels like they know my alignment and so they know I flip town.

You have an immovable Judge Dredd persona about you, which I find pretty awesome btw.
Now you know why the cool kids club is trying to vote you off.

I'd place Fred there too, but he's kinda more riding a rational curiosity wave. Also, that's Beethoven on his avatar I think.

[Crescent]

I seem to have blanked out on some of what happened yesterday. Wondering if I actually have some form of PTSD related to my first community. Neat.

Post #332 is good to know. I'll take a glance when I'm at computer later. Think I'm going to catch up through ISOs instead of revisiting that mess. Meg seems to be the focal point this page so I'll start there.

[Crescent]

Oh there were quite literally 0 posts I hadn't read either before or on this page.

..Fancypants next.

Vote on Malcom is for #261 which is.. Not a Malcolm post that scumpinged me. Comes off as arrogant like the rest of that train did, not scummy. Why did this post draw your vote?

Has now called me, Enchant, Meg, and Fred town for... No apparent reason other than "vibes" or "tone" for any of us. Do you have any play-based reasons you can point to? It feels like you're taking a bunch of simple stances without backing any of them up.

Like my tonal read on Andante was null, but I thought the wagon was awful because I thought the reasons for it were awful. What do you think of the actual reasons and votes on Meg?

[Crescent]

Fred's ISO kinda just makes me want to punch him, but that just appears to be his thing. "Neat."

I'd like to hear some reasoning behind why people are townreading Enchant, because I feel like they've gotten a few random casual town reads and this ISO is almost void of actual content.

Malcolm's new stuff is just post #321.. Which just leads me right into Gera's ISO.

I find it confusing that he votes for absolutely no reason, and later calls attention to the fact that he voted for no given reason... Then shades Enchant for doing the same thing with essentially no justification, but remains on Fred anyway for.. No justification. I want him to walk me through his thought process here.

[FancyPants]

if i had more to say on crescent i would say it. I just read her posts and was like "this person is someone i should look into later"

Why is azumaril wagon bad

Tonal town read on them.

If the only read you have on someone is tonal why would you think its a bad wagon.

To me this feels like tmi that I'm town.
Also dont like the MT vote.
VOTE: Fancypants

I read plenty of people based on tone alone. I find it a bit strange that you find it scummy, this clearly isn't your first game.

Oh there were quite literally 0 posts I hadn't read either before or on this page.

..Fancypants next.

Vote on Malcom is for #261 which is.. Not a Malcolm post that scumpinged me. Comes off as arrogant like the rest of that train did, not scummy. Why did this post draw your vote?

Has now called me, Enchant, Meg, and Fred town for... No apparent reason other than "vibes" or "tone" for any of us. Do you have any play-based reasons you can point to? It feels like you're taking a bunch of simple stances without backing any of them up.

Like my tonal read on Andante was null, but I thought the wagon was awful because I thought the reasons for it were awful. What do you think of the actual reasons and votes on Meg?

I do have reasons for all my town reads.
I like Enchant's read list as it's similar to mine, I also like how they didn't even bother to finish the list, feels too IDGAF too be scum'.

Meg started too too whimsical, and I liked a couple of the questions they asked, seemed like a effort to game solve.

I didn't call Fred town, I'm actually not sure of the slot I don't like the wagon for meta reasons I can't talk about because the game is still ongoing.

As for you, I think you're genuinely tying to solve game solve.

Malcome is scum in post 261 because of how non-committal it is, he's voting but leaving himself wiggle room, its also pointless as a pressure vote, if you tell someone you aren't that positive about the vote.
In other words he wants to be on the wagon but he wants to have plausible deniability for being on the wagon.

[Crescent]

Pooky's ISO is bad.

Votes Meg without a reason.
Tunnels Meg without a reason.
Pressures Fred towards Meg without a reason.

This is the only content in this ISO and it feels like fake scumhunting.

Fire's only effective content is.. Hopping on Meg for no reason with Pooky. Ok yeah, this train is bad, but it's not for any tonal reasons. These votes have no explanation at all.

Owen post #333 is

bad

. Another blank vote on Meg and another person calling Enchant town in one sitting, in his only post in nearly 24 hours.

Greeting.... Another vote on Meg.. Another player that provides no reason for voting Meg. #177 seems like it's setting up a bad pretext to vote them, and the vote itself just comes out of nowhere.

Three straight ISOs with bad votes on the same player? Yeah I'm not touching this train.

[FancyPants]

What do you think of the actual reasons and votes on Meg?

There are reasons? I did genuinely didn't see anything that looked like a case. I may have missed it, did 10 pages of catch up today.

[Crescent]

What do you think of the actual reasons and votes on Meg?

There are reasons? I did genuinely didn't see anything that looked like a case. I may have missed it, did 10 pages of catch up today.

Yeah as my later ISOing made it very clear.. There are none.

But why not just say that before? "Tonal town read" is kind of a nothing response.

[FancyPants]

I don't not like the wagon because it's a bad wagon, I assume it's about pressure. I don't like the wagon because I'm town reading the slot. I hope that makes sense.

[Crescent]

Lowell is another vote on Meg for... Honestly the only thing even resembling a reason so far, and it's a reason that's super easy to fake. He says the Fred wagon is ok... For absolutely no reason. It's the only time "Fred" even appears in his ISO.

I liked Prince's vote on Fred yesterday, but him having done absolutely nothing since erodes the town vibe I got from it a little. Bugspray is basically a reskinned NM who refuses to associate with NM. Oh joy. Also hasn't even posted in a day. Lee has... Two posts. They were prodded in day 1 of 2272, but this slot has kinda been a total deadzone. Guess we'll just see if it gets inactive-replaced or something.

I mean, if you talk about a train that probably has scum on it... Meg is at 5 votes, and 4 of the voters didn't even attempt to justify theor votes. This is so much different from when people were giving actual justifications to suspect Fred. There's so much smoke here, but there's absolutely no fire.

[Crescent]

And yes I totally avoided Vivax and Andante's ISOs because I do not want to deal with that right now.

[Dwlee99]

FancyPants* - lurk idk
Vivax - troll town
MalcolmTucker - prob maf
Greeting - idk always failed at reading
Firebringer - hot null would't care to vote
Fredrick A Campbell - can afford to die
Dwlee99* - lurk
Crescent - eh idk
Lowell - prob town
bugspray - always failed at reading
PookyTheMagicalBear - always mafia
geraintm - prob maf
UNOwen - idk i started yawning at this guy, pretend that's there's something funny drawn at next 3 persons and i call it a day, too much effort for me
Prince of Paterson
Andante
MegAzumarill

VOTE: Enchant
When has Enchant ever made a reads list

[Firebringer]

Fire's only effective content i

i would argue my vote isn't even content

[Firebringer]

but there's absolutely no fire.

im right here

[MalcolmTucker]

if i had more to say on crescent i would say it. I just read her posts and was like "this person is someone i should look into later"

Why is azumaril wagon bad

Tonal town read on them.

If the only read you have on someone is tonal why would you think its a bad wagon.

To me this feels like tmi that I'm town.
Also dont like the MT vote.
VOTE: Fancypants

I read plenty of people based on tone alone. I find it a bit strange that you find it scummy, this clearly isn't your first game.

Oh there were quite literally 0 posts I hadn't read either before or on this page.

..Fancypants next.

Vote on Malcom is for #261 which is.. Not a Malcolm post that scumpinged me. Comes off as arrogant like the rest of that train did, not scummy. Why did this post draw your vote?

Has now called me, Enchant, Meg, and Fred town for... No apparent reason other than "vibes" or "tone" for any of us. Do you have any play-based reasons you can point to? It feels like you're taking a bunch of simple stances without backing any of them up.

Like my tonal read on Andante was null, but I thought the wagon was awful because I thought the reasons for it were awful. What do you think of the actual reasons and votes on Meg?

I do have reasons for all my town reads.
I like Enchant's read list as it's similar to mine, I also like how they didn't even bother to finish the list, feels too IDGAF too be scum'.

Meg started too too whimsical, and I liked a couple of the questions they asked, seemed like a effort to game solve.

I didn't call Fred town, I'm actually not sure of the slot I don't like the wagon for meta reasons I can't talk about because the game is still ongoing.

As for you, I think you're genuinely tying to solve game solve.

Malcome is scum in post 261 because of how non-committal it is, he's voting but leaving himself wiggle room, its also pointless as a pressure vote, if you tell someone you aren't that positive about the vote.
In other words he wants to be on the wagon but he wants to have plausible deniability for being on the wagon.

I'd say I'm more just making clear it's still early game and a lot of players haven't posted a lot yet in the way of content - I personally think you're making too much out of this, would you rather I lied and acted as if my first D1 vote was locked in and wasn't going to change? All early votes are non-committal and subject to change because unless you decide to tunnel someone without legit reason you're going to change your beliefs on who as scum as the game progresses.

My train of thought is pretty consistent - Andante has been attacking other players for a lack of in-game content and for spamming, but in the process ironically had an identical ISO which largely ignored in-game content. I found that hypocritical, potentially scummy, and worthy of a vote. If I think someone else is a better vote - which is perfectly possible - I will move my vote, because it's the first day and some players haven't said much yet.

[geraintm]

too much information

This feels just about the right level of information

[geraintm]

too much information

Fred's ISO kinda just makes me want to punch him, but that just appears to be his thing. "Neat."

I'd like to hear some reasoning behind why people are townreading Enchant, because I feel like they've gotten a few random casual town reads and this ISO is almost void of actual content.

Malcolm's new stuff is just post #321.. Which just leads me right into Gera's ISO.

I find it confusing that he votes for absolutely no reason, and later calls attention to the fact that he voted for no given reason... Then shades Enchant for doing the same thing with essentially no justification, but remains on Fred anyway for.. No justification. I want him to walk me through his thought process here.

I had a reason

[Lowell]

Did a read through. Until now I was on my phone and bluffing, ignore whatever thoughts I had then and take these as real:

4- pooky claims town (I'm buying it, seems like a weird scum move)
20, 21- Meg speculates on roles on and tries to start a battle over nothing (scummy)
30- greeting "jokingly" justifies random vote (scummy)
40, 42- Fred calls vivax town (scummy white-knighting)
46- Fred calls pooky town due to 4 (scummy when he does it)
51, 61, 77- Meg tries to be cute, make friends (scummy)
69- andante rants about nothing (town, doesn't look calculated that's for sure)
72- prince calls enchant town (scum, first post white-knighting?)
88- gerain enters, claims confusion, wishes for speedy death (town, I'm buying)
130- greeting calls all the active players town, two meaningless lurkers scum (scummy low-hanging-fruit chasing)
144- prince votes dwlee (scummy, essentially naked vote on a lurker)
152, 153- prince inserts himself into a fight not about himself, then asks... everyone?... to weigh in on it? (scummy as hell, looking to lead town to nowhere while looking busy)
186- geraintm naked votes leading fred wagon (I like this, fearless)
216- prince joins fred wagon, overexplains (no)
page 11- andante panics (scummy. why?)
339- fred asks me a question from post...169? (nah bruh, why now? and if anything, Fred's meta on me should be that I don't know any of you, so weird question unless one's goal is only to look busy and do nothing)
341-349- crescent spams, has no filter (I like this, not so much as content but as someone who isn't holding back opinions)

Biggest scumread that stands out to me that I didn't notice before is

prince

. Not going to derail the perfectly good

Fred

wagon but if this feckless town chickens out let's do him or

Meg

next.

Andante

looks worse than I remember. Some likely towns are:

gerain, crescent, pooky, vivax

.

[Lowell]

VOTE: fred

[Crescent]

too much information

Fred's ISO kinda just makes me want to punch him, but that just appears to be his thing. "Neat."

I'd like to hear some reasoning behind why people are townreading Enchant, because I feel like they've gotten a few random casual town reads and this ISO is almost void of actual content.

Malcolm's new stuff is just post #321.. Which just leads me right into Gera's ISO.

I find it confusing that he votes for absolutely no reason, and later calls attention to the fact that he voted for no given reason... Then shades Enchant for doing the same thing with essentially no justification, but remains on Fred anyway for.. No justification. I want him to walk me through his thought process here.

I had a reason

...Which was?

[Vivax]

FancyPants* - lurk idk
Vivax - troll town
MalcolmTucker - prob maf
Greeting - idk always failed at reading
Firebringer - hot null would't care to vote
Fredrick A Campbell - can afford to die
Dwlee99* - lurk
Crescent - eh idk
Lowell - prob town
bugspray - always failed at reading
PookyTheMagicalBear - always mafia
geraintm - prob maf
UNOwen - idk i started yawning at this guy, pretend that's there's something funny drawn at next 3 persons and i call it a day, too much effort for me
Prince of Paterson
Andante
MegAzumarill

VOTE: Enchant
When has Enchant ever made a reads list

Some games are so out of the ordinary that people can do extraordinary things.
I'm telling you in the most amicable way possible that your vote sucks.

[Dwlee99]

Some games are so out of the ordinary that people can do extraordinary things.
I'm telling you in the most amicable way possible that your vote sucks.

I don't get what would make this extraordinary for enchant

[Vivax]

Some games are so out of the ordinary that people can do extraordinary things.
I'm telling you in the most amicable way possible that your vote sucks.

I don't get what would make this extraordinary for enchant

Then maybe you should ask them before voting for them. If you want to play mafia that is.

[Dwlee99]

Is this a chainsaw