Mini Normal 1874: Camping Trip Mafia (Game Over)
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
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I reasoned that I needed to take a big risk to win from that position. If I killed matt, I was getting lynched 100% in the next couple days. May as well make a weird kill to try and get the Town to WIFOM it's way into a mistake.In post 1001, Nadpool wrote:Nadpool is surprised that Nadpool was the NK.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record- SensFan
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Say what you will about my play (and it was bad). I didn't lie about my role as Town, and I didn't lie about my experience.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record- Fykus
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Thanks for the game guys, I apologise for the bad decision making on my part (lynching the pr, hammering myself etc) but I did honestly believe there wouldnt be more than 4 PRs in the game lol. If id have known otherwise I guess I would have tried to get myself lynched in sicks place. Alas, live and learn. Back to the newbie queue for me.- mhsmith0
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Done. Thanks once again for reviewing the setup.In post 1010, mhsmith0 wrote:@mod: please update OP for flips for living players; that helps people who are doing archive or stats analysis. Thanks!"I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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I'm just glad to see that it is, in fact, possible for town to win a mini normal setup I reviewedIn post 1012, Leonshade wrote:...
Done. Thanks once again for reviewing the setup.In post 1010, mhsmith0 wrote:@mod: please update OP for flips for living players; that helps people who are doing archive or stats analysis. Thanks!Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Had scum not screwed themselves town probably would have lost:PIn post 1010, mhsmith0 wrote:
I'm just glad to see that it is, in fact, possible for town to win a mini normal setup I reviewedIn post 1012, Leonshade wrote:...
Done. Thanks once again for reviewing the setup.In post 1010, mhsmith0 wrote:@mod: please update OP for flips for living players; that helps people who are doing archive or stats analysis. Thanks!- mattblackguy
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GG everyone. I had fun with you all. Props to TwoFace, and Inno for nailing scum quickly on day 1. Also enjoyed playing with you BlackVoid and hope we can play again sometime. This is my first time I got to gamesolve with another townie and it was really fun Most of the time I'm getting scumread and trying to convice townies to work with me and get lynched anyway. It was a nice change :p
Yeah Lucca I didn't believe Fykus was a jailkeeper because I was a doctor, and because of have scummy he was acting in general. I didn't claim because I knew it was possible for their to be a jailkeeper, and doctor in the same setup, and didn't think it was worth it day 1. Why did you replace though? You were one of the players I was looking forward to playing with this game.- mattblackguy
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If the scumteam was something like you, BV, and Innocent then yeah probablyIn post 1014, TwoFace wrote:Had scum not screwed themselves town probably would have lost:P- mattblackguy
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FWIW, my reviewer meta of late seems to be that scum win while complaining about the setup being townsidedIn post 1014, TwoFace wrote:
Had scum not screwed themselves town probably would have lostIn post 1010, mhsmith0 wrote:I'm just glad to see that it is, in fact, possible for town to win a mini normal setup I reviewed
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?- TwoFace
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That would be an awesome teamIn post 1016, mattblackguy wrote:
If the scumteam was something like you, BV, and Innocent then yeah probablyIn post 1014, TwoFace wrote:Had scum not screwed themselves town probably would have lost:P- TwoFace
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This was town sided imo so glad that didn't happen againIn post 1018, mhsmith0 wrote:
FWIW, my reviewer meta of late seems to be that scum win while complaining about the setup being townsidedIn post 1014, TwoFace wrote:
Had scum not screwed themselves town probably would have lostIn post 1010, mhsmith0 wrote:I'm just glad to see that it is, in fact, possible for town to win a mini normal setup I reviewed
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I wouldn't really agree. Trackers are inherently mediocre roles, so a tracker and backup tracker isn't a huge deal (and town mislynching one of its PRs is something surprisingly common in mini normal games). Doctor improves the tracker role, but doctor/tracker is a strong combo in a micro game, but much weaker in a mini game where PR shots missing entirely is mechanically likelier. And the JOAT was merely ok; the JOAT rolecop shot hitting the roleblocker was a big boost for town, but that's swing rather than something fundamental (hitting either goon just says vanilla and there goes the utility of that shot).In post 1020, TwoFace wrote:This was town sided imo so glad that didn't happen again
Looking just at town's power, the roles themselves aren't fantastic, but they ARE coordinated pretty effectively (barring the JOAT horribly misusing the vig shot), which is where the roleblocker comes in. In mini normal games, roleblocker is considered the scum superpower; of all the normal roles that scum are currently allowed (i.e. not vanillaizer, vigilante, godfather, etc), roleblocker is the strongest by a substantial margin, as it can blast away at town power and shut it down pretty quickly.
OTOH, scum roleblocker pretty much has to be protected from suspicion and the lynch; in just about any mini normal game where the roleblocker bows out early (the only exceptions are where town power is mainly passive like masons, BP, etc), scum are going to be in big trouble.
I'll also quote one of my early posts from the review thread:
You can pretty easily compare a couple prior games to this one that are somewhat similar setup wise:In post 11, mhsmith0 wrote:FWIW, 10v3 mini normal games with roleblockers have as a whole been pretty balanced, around 50% town win rate
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In general, against a roleblocker, town has had at least one really strong power role, or multiple passives (like 1719). The JOAT isn't strong enough, and tracker is a middling town power in a 13p game.
1772: town got a doc, tracker (macho), and a full town roleblocker, and won
1662: town got a doc, tracker, and a full vig, and won
town was 2-0 in doc/tracker setups before this, but also had full useful powers (1772 was probably scumsided since town roleblocker isn't super useful) - comparing 1662 in particular to this one, town essentially trades a full vig (very very strong role though swingy) for a JOAT and a backup tracker
I'd also note that in rb/goon/goon setups, town frequently gets a cop (1794 is cop/doc/gunslinger agianst rb/goon/enrcyptor; 1653 was cop/doc/1-shot vig; 1596 was cop/doc/miller; 1527 was cop/bodyguard/2-shot vig). Here town's power was relatively diffuse, but I think it was overall balanced given how powerful a weapon scum roleblocker can be.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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PS FWIW, doctor in particular can be subverted by roleblocker. RB on doc = doc goes nowhere, doesn't save an obvious target on the board and/or gets tracked to nowhere. Potentially an easy mislynch if played right and/or luckiliy by scum.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?- lucca261
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I was (and still am) full of stuff to do off-site. I really wanted to play these game, specially on this crazy JOAT role, but playing two big games was taking a toll on me, so I chose to replace out from this smaller game.
But it was a really fun game to play and I was really active on the dead thread.
Such aweirdgame.
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I think a big help would have been being more assertive. You're D1 wasn't that bad tbh (although I wasn't reading it in real time which changes perspectives) but you kind of felt a bit aimless.In post 1009, Fykus wrote:If anyone could give me some advice or commentary on my play itd be greatly appreciated
As for D2 and D3, just being active almost certainly would have helped. I was pretty sure that Jupiter was scum over you, but at the end of the day, it was hard for me to say you were town - there was nothing for me to point to in your recent play. - Jaack
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