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[JaeReed]

over their reads agreeing?

indeed

That's his most current opinion

And it doesn't cross your mind that he could hold that opinion as badtown? (sorry Dark)

[JaeReed]

but also his tryhard early game that he never does as town.

Yeah, don't scumread someone for this please.

It has a 100% success rate so far. It's only when I drop that meta read on him that I ever misread him.

[Darklyn]

I prefer the term "scum double agent"

[Dunnstral]

And it doesn't cross your mind that he could hold that opinion as badtown?

I mean, sure, but that's not the only thing he's done this game. If you remember, I've been feeling dark scum for quite a while, even before he said he thought I was scum. In fact, I disagree with that opinion, but didn't vote him for it. Him not rethinking that at all now? That's scummy

[JaeReed]

That's biased town imo. I think you're reading things at a surface level which is why I have an issue with you in this game because I know you're better than that. Like, your play seems to have undergone a drastic change in the period of 3(?) months and it's really disconcerting.

[Fro99er]

I think gerry might be scum again for similar reasons to house of harmony and he also was posturing a lot wrt me.

talk to me about this more. I was otherscum vs Gerry and checked him and got a guilty, so I had no reason to read him. Why is he scum

Mainly his posturing against me this game, but also his tryhard early game that he never does as town.

Like he pointed out Penguin mafia but there he didn't tryhard until near the end of D1 iirc. The beginning was a lot of trolling. This is more reminiscent of Dream mafia where I noted he was tryharding and he said he wasn't, then said he was tryharding because it was Maria's game, and I let him off the hook for it because I thought reading him based off meta was kinda douchey. But I was right.

viewtopic.php?p=8824025#p8824025 - House of Harmony post on his meta (bits on gerry in the spoiler).

Spoiler: bunch of quotes from this game on my gerry read

Crash's post was bad, gerry's post is bad. 787 just bleeds of posturing and fake thought process all over.

I'll answer, though.

At first glance of this game, I wanted to try and get a better feel before making my first serious vote. There are a couple of things that I want to go over, before I do eventually vote.

1. JaeReed.

There is something that is bothering me about them this game. It's nothing that I can say that is scummy, but based on my past experience with them, they feel.. Different. For once, I want to say that they feel way more aggressive to what I'm used to. I know that they are trying to defend Impoetic, which I can see the reasoning for, but it feels a bit over the top to me. Is it not possible that Impoetic knows that you can read her, and she is specifically doing something to break your read on her? How come there hasn't been any visable thought of you thinking about this as a possibility?

As I stated earlier, you are being way more aggressive than I am used to. Is there a reason for this? Because the times as town, you really haven't been too aggressive unless you were defending a townread, but you're aggressive this whole game, regardless if it's defending or not. Can you shine a light onto why you're doing this? I believe the only time I've seen you as scum would be in a hydra with Impoetic, and I did correctly call you out as scum, after I was the day 1 lynch (surprise)

I'm pretty sure I've played aggressively before in a game you've been in, the way I was going himiko and Trans in Pantheon mafia? Anyway, you mentioned even in this quote that I hydra'd with Impo as scum. I know her thought process as scum and her reactions, this just isn't it. I know her outside of games too, and I pay attention to her

because i'm a creepy stalker

. It's like the level you can soulread Claire (which I've seen you do before in Penguin mafia). There's just no way Impo is scum, she can't fool me especially when she wasn't even aware if she needed to. Like I never mentioned to her about the diff in her scum and towngames since I didn't play with her after Trial anyways since she quit forum maf.

If you want meta where I'm aggressive, Double Day Hydra Blitz is a good one, I was Chihiro in the Chihiro and Alter Ego hydra. viewtopic.php?f=83&t=70181

But there's been a lot of times where I've seen people as conftown from early game (and been right) like Ranger's micro with Charloux and Nahdia, the read on MURDERCAT in Nahdia's mini normal, C9++ on Charloux, Trees newbie on KTS. There's a reason my sig has that Charl quote.

Anyways
1st question: No I do not believe she could be doing anything to fool me, I know her too well.
2nd question: Because it's not a possibility.
3rd question: Sometimes I feel more aggressive in a game. Sometimes I feel awfully lazy. Depends on how I feel like approaching any given game.
4th question: See above.

Also the statement about calling me correctly as scum, you never did it in the main thread so it didn't matter ;p but also, it was like 5 minutes to deadline with the person who said he'd hammer you not being around and it was D1. Arguably I did the most protown thing there by hammering and I desperately wished I hadn't been awake and posting for it because of that. I would have hammered you as town because a D1 no lynch is awful for town. So thinking I was maf for the hammer is bad reasoning anyway.

I'm pretty sure I've played aggressively before in a game you've been in, the way I was going himiko and Trans in Pantheon mafia?

Isn't that the one where you were third party and not town?

Survivor that could win with town and was playing like a mason because of it, yeah.

What's your point, gerry? Because the last time you tried this angle you were scum.

There's scum in Dunnstral/gerry

This is more likely to be scum!gerry, my meta tell seems to be holding up and he's intent on discrediting me, which he did in this game: http://emforummaf.prophpbb.com/topic9-125.html#p1810 where he was mafia traitor.

And defensive is an entirely different look, gerryboy, which you know anyway. You're posturing again.

VOTE: gerryoat

The point I was making about his posturing is valid regardless of the site.

Alright, so I 100% believe this meta read (that doesn't mean I believe you're town...it means I believe what you are saying). And I'm a very heavy meta player.

But I'm not sold on Gerry meta if there's nothing more than meta, simply because I don't personally have a meta read of Gerry.

As much as I hate playing with him because he acts like he's god's gift to man and thinks he's the greatest thing on earth, I am still going to say I have no idea how to read him.

I will say, I do think he does try hard more as scum especially based off your evidence and what I've seen of him. And I know this looks like me frog appeasing you but I don't give a fuck. I think this is good shit.

[Fro99er]

what was his read before

This:

starting to genuinely believe a nancy/dunnstral team is possible

over their reads agreeing?

indeed

That's his most current opinion

can you explain to me like i'm 3 years old?

i'm totally fucking lost

[Dunnstral]

That's biased town imo. I think you're reading things at a surface level which is why I have an issue with you in this game because I know you're better than that. Like, your play seems to have undergone a drastic change in the period of 3(?) months and it's really disconcerting.

I think saying I'm reading things at a surface level is really unfair, I'd say I'm definitely not reading things at a surface level

[Fro99er]

but also his tryhard early game that he never does as town.

Yeah, don't scumread someone for this please.

It has a 100% success rate so far. It's only when I drop that meta read on him that I ever misread him.

I actually agree with both of you.

It's a meta read I'm attuned to, but not specifically that I think I can't be fooled. That said, backtesting I agree that's his meta. It doesn't mean its predictive of his town/scum game

[Dunnstral]

can you explain to me like i'm 3 years old?

i'm totally fucking lost

Those are his posts

About my slot in relation to your slot

[Fro99er]

That's biased town imo. I think you're reading things at a surface level which is why I have an issue with you in this game because I know you're better than that. Like, your play seems to have undergone a drastic change in the period of 3(?) months and it's really disconcerting.

I think saying I'm reading things at a surface level is really unfair, I'd say I'm definitely not reading things at a surface level

I'd agree you aren't surface-level reading.

I think you're town simply because your push on me without giving me a chance and then reconsidering isn't scum motivated. If you are scum you can just continue to push me for no fucking reason on my replace in.

[Dunnstral]

That indicates his read

Otherwise, you have to ask him yourself

[Fro99er]

can you explain to me like i'm 3 years old?

i'm totally fucking lost

Those are his posts

About my slot in relation to your slot

I still have zero idea what you are talking about

please literally explain to me who you are reading and the exact details of why.

I honestly need this help because I've replaced in and I haven't read and the only people I've interacted with are you and Jae.

[Fro99er]

That indicates his read

Otherwise, you have to ask him yourself

STOP THIS PLEASE TALK TO ME LIKE I'M THREE

[Fro99er]

That indicates his read

Otherwise, you have to ask him yourself

I HAVE ZERO CLUE WHAT THIS REFERS TO

just simplify things for me

one fucking tyrhard post. with tags and details and explanations

PLEASE

[Dunnstral]

That indicates his read

Otherwise, you have to ask him yourself

STOP THIS PLEASE TALK TO ME LIKE I'M THREE

You asked me what his read was

I pointed out posts where he gave an opinion

[Dunnstral]

one fucking tyrhard post. with tags and details and explanations

in 1146, you ask me what darklyn's read was before

I quote his posts from the near past to let you get an idea

[JaeReed]

I think gerry might be scum again for similar reasons to house of harmony and he also was posturing a lot wrt me.

talk to me about this more. I was otherscum vs Gerry and checked him and got a guilty, so I had no reason to read him. Why is he scum

Mainly his posturing against me this game, but also his tryhard early game that he never does as town.

Like he pointed out Penguin mafia but there he didn't tryhard until near the end of D1 iirc. The beginning was a lot of trolling. This is more reminiscent of Dream mafia where I noted he was tryharding and he said he wasn't, then said he was tryharding because it was Maria's game, and I let him off the hook for it because I thought reading him based off meta was kinda douchey. But I was right.

viewtopic.php?p=8824025#p8824025 - House of Harmony post on his meta (bits on gerry in the spoiler).

Spoiler: bunch of quotes from this game on my gerry read

Crash's post was bad, gerry's post is bad. 787 just bleeds of posturing and fake thought process all over.

I'll answer, though.

At first glance of this game, I wanted to try and get a better feel before making my first serious vote. There are a couple of things that I want to go over, before I do eventually vote.

1. JaeReed.

There is something that is bothering me about them this game. It's nothing that I can say that is scummy, but based on my past experience with them, they feel.. Different. For once, I want to say that they feel way more aggressive to what I'm used to. I know that they are trying to defend Impoetic, which I can see the reasoning for, but it feels a bit over the top to me. Is it not possible that Impoetic knows that you can read her, and she is specifically doing something to break your read on her? How come there hasn't been any visable thought of you thinking about this as a possibility?

As I stated earlier, you are being way more aggressive than I am used to. Is there a reason for this? Because the times as town, you really haven't been too aggressive unless you were defending a townread, but you're aggressive this whole game, regardless if it's defending or not. Can you shine a light onto why you're doing this? I believe the only time I've seen you as scum would be in a hydra with Impoetic, and I did correctly call you out as scum, after I was the day 1 lynch (surprise)

I'm pretty sure I've played aggressively before in a game you've been in, the way I was going himiko and Trans in Pantheon mafia? Anyway, you mentioned even in this quote that I hydra'd with Impo as scum. I know her thought process as scum and her reactions, this just isn't it. I know her outside of games too, and I pay attention to her

because i'm a creepy stalker

. It's like the level you can soulread Claire (which I've seen you do before in Penguin mafia). There's just no way Impo is scum, she can't fool me especially when she wasn't even aware if she needed to. Like I never mentioned to her about the diff in her scum and towngames since I didn't play with her after Trial anyways since she quit forum maf.

If you want meta where I'm aggressive, Double Day Hydra Blitz is a good one, I was Chihiro in the Chihiro and Alter Ego hydra. viewtopic.php?f=83&t=70181

But there's been a lot of times where I've seen people as conftown from early game (and been right) like Ranger's micro with Charloux and Nahdia, the read on MURDERCAT in Nahdia's mini normal, C9++ on Charloux, Trees newbie on KTS. There's a reason my sig has that Charl quote.

Anyways
1st question: No I do not believe she could be doing anything to fool me, I know her too well.
2nd question: Because it's not a possibility.
3rd question: Sometimes I feel more aggressive in a game. Sometimes I feel awfully lazy. Depends on how I feel like approaching any given game.
4th question: See above.

Also the statement about calling me correctly as scum, you never did it in the main thread so it didn't matter ;p but also, it was like 5 minutes to deadline with the person who said he'd hammer you not being around and it was D1. Arguably I did the most protown thing there by hammering and I desperately wished I hadn't been awake and posting for it because of that. I would have hammered you as town because a D1 no lynch is awful for town. So thinking I was maf for the hammer is bad reasoning anyway.

I'm pretty sure I've played aggressively before in a game you've been in, the way I was going himiko and Trans in Pantheon mafia?

Isn't that the one where you were third party and not town?

Survivor that could win with town and was playing like a mason because of it, yeah.

What's your point, gerry? Because the last time you tried this angle you were scum.

There's scum in Dunnstral/gerry

This is more likely to be scum!gerry, my meta tell seems to be holding up and he's intent on discrediting me, which he did in this game: http://emforummaf.prophpbb.com/topic9-125.html#p1810 where he was mafia traitor.

And defensive is an entirely different look, gerryboy, which you know anyway. You're posturing again.

VOTE: gerryoat

The point I was making about his posturing is valid regardless of the site.

Alright, so I 100% believe this meta read (that doesn't mean I believe you're town...it means I believe what you are saying). And I'm a very heavy meta player.

But I'm not sold on Gerry meta if there's nothing more than meta, simply because I don't personally have a meta read of Gerry.

As much as I hate playing with him because he acts like he's god's gift to man and thinks he's the greatest thing on earth, I am still going to say I have no idea how to read him.

I will say, I do think he does try hard more as scum especially based off your evidence and what I've seen of him. And I know this looks like me frog appeasing you but I don't give a fuck. I think this is good shit.

...look in the spoiler for my quotes on him this game. There's more than meta. I called out his posturing.

Why are you dismissing it all as meta without looking at the quotes from this game that I provided you?

[Fro99er]

Alright I'm gonna read this game when i'm more sober. I honestly have zero clue what Dunn is talking about because I can't be arsed to read while drunk

[Fro99er]

I think gerry might be scum again for similar reasons to house of harmony and he also was posturing a lot wrt me.

talk to me about this more. I was otherscum vs Gerry and checked him and got a guilty, so I had no reason to read him. Why is he scum

Mainly his posturing against me this game, but also his tryhard early game that he never does as town.

Like he pointed out Penguin mafia but there he didn't tryhard until near the end of D1 iirc. The beginning was a lot of trolling. This is more reminiscent of Dream mafia where I noted he was tryharding and he said he wasn't, then said he was tryharding because it was Maria's game, and I let him off the hook for it because I thought reading him based off meta was kinda douchey. But I was right.

viewtopic.php?p=8824025#p8824025 - House of Harmony post on his meta (bits on gerry in the spoiler).

Spoiler: bunch of quotes from this game on my gerry read

Crash's post was bad, gerry's post is bad. 787 just bleeds of posturing and fake thought process all over.

I'll answer, though.

At first glance of this game, I wanted to try and get a better feel before making my first serious vote. There are a couple of things that I want to go over, before I do eventually vote.

1. JaeReed.

There is something that is bothering me about them this game. It's nothing that I can say that is scummy, but based on my past experience with them, they feel.. Different. For once, I want to say that they feel way more aggressive to what I'm used to. I know that they are trying to defend Impoetic, which I can see the reasoning for, but it feels a bit over the top to me. Is it not possible that Impoetic knows that you can read her, and she is specifically doing something to break your read on her? How come there hasn't been any visable thought of you thinking about this as a possibility?

As I stated earlier, you are being way more aggressive than I am used to. Is there a reason for this? Because the times as town, you really haven't been too aggressive unless you were defending a townread, but you're aggressive this whole game, regardless if it's defending or not. Can you shine a light onto why you're doing this? I believe the only time I've seen you as scum would be in a hydra with Impoetic, and I did correctly call you out as scum, after I was the day 1 lynch (surprise)

I'm pretty sure I've played aggressively before in a game you've been in, the way I was going himiko and Trans in Pantheon mafia? Anyway, you mentioned even in this quote that I hydra'd with Impo as scum. I know her thought process as scum and her reactions, this just isn't it. I know her outside of games too, and I pay attention to her

because i'm a creepy stalker

. It's like the level you can soulread Claire (which I've seen you do before in Penguin mafia). There's just no way Impo is scum, she can't fool me especially when she wasn't even aware if she needed to. Like I never mentioned to her about the diff in her scum and towngames since I didn't play with her after Trial anyways since she quit forum maf.

If you want meta where I'm aggressive, Double Day Hydra Blitz is a good one, I was Chihiro in the Chihiro and Alter Ego hydra. viewtopic.php?f=83&t=70181

But there's been a lot of times where I've seen people as conftown from early game (and been right) like Ranger's micro with Charloux and Nahdia, the read on MURDERCAT in Nahdia's mini normal, C9++ on Charloux, Trees newbie on KTS. There's a reason my sig has that Charl quote.

Anyways
1st question: No I do not believe she could be doing anything to fool me, I know her too well.
2nd question: Because it's not a possibility.
3rd question: Sometimes I feel more aggressive in a game. Sometimes I feel awfully lazy. Depends on how I feel like approaching any given game.
4th question: See above.

Also the statement about calling me correctly as scum, you never did it in the main thread so it didn't matter ;p but also, it was like 5 minutes to deadline with the person who said he'd hammer you not being around and it was D1. Arguably I did the most protown thing there by hammering and I desperately wished I hadn't been awake and posting for it because of that. I would have hammered you as town because a D1 no lynch is awful for town. So thinking I was maf for the hammer is bad reasoning anyway.

I'm pretty sure I've played aggressively before in a game you've been in, the way I was going himiko and Trans in Pantheon mafia?

Isn't that the one where you were third party and not town?

Survivor that could win with town and was playing like a mason because of it, yeah.

What's your point, gerry? Because the last time you tried this angle you were scum.

There's scum in Dunnstral/gerry

This is more likely to be scum!gerry, my meta tell seems to be holding up and he's intent on discrediting me, which he did in this game: http://emforummaf.prophpbb.com/topic9-125.html#p1810 where he was mafia traitor.

And defensive is an entirely different look, gerryboy, which you know anyway. You're posturing again.

VOTE: gerryoat

The point I was making about his posturing is valid regardless of the site.

Alright, so I 100% believe this meta read (that doesn't mean I believe you're town...it means I believe what you are saying). And I'm a very heavy meta player.

But I'm not sold on Gerry meta if there's nothing more than meta, simply because I don't personally have a meta read of Gerry.

As much as I hate playing with him because he acts like he's god's gift to man and thinks he's the greatest thing on earth, I am still going to say I have no idea how to read him.

I will say, I do think he does try hard more as scum especially based off your evidence and what I've seen of him. And I know this looks like me frog appeasing you but I don't give a fuck. I think this is good shit.

...look in the spoiler for my quotes on him this game. There's more than meta. I called out his posturing.

Why are you dismissing it all as meta without looking at the quotes from this game that I provided you?

Because I haven't fucking read yet and that's how it came across to me

[Fro99er]

I honestly didn't even fucking see the spoiler quotes

[Fro99er]

Meh, this will sound scummy just for me saying it but...

Scum me could have just jumped to a conclusion one way or the other about Gerry and/or whoever Dunn is trying to get me to read (I already forget...I watch NASCAR on Sunday's and drink heavily)

I'm obviously scum for bringing this up

[Dunnstral]

I wasn't trying to get a conclusion by asking you to iso jaereed

I was asking you to get a grasp on the game

Alright I'm gonna read this game when i'm more sober. I honestly have zero clue what Dunn is talking about because I can't be arsed to read while drunk

you must be blackout drunk right now or something

[Impoetic]

UNVOTE:

fro99er is towny and I don't think rc and dunnstral agreeing isindicative of a team read

sorry for not being more invested

[Impoetic]

I didn't feel like gerry was tryharding like he does normally he just has a weird tone