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[Cheetory6]

Oh okay.

[SlingshotWaffles]

Does that make him scum? No. It just makes it him playing differently.

but your vote says otherwise. How does that fence feel?

Except my vote doesn't say otherwise because that's not the reason for my vote.

[MuttonChopMagic]

because i think youre not getting we aren't playing in Rome. I think you need a news flash because you will start making people mad.
when you leave rome it's no longer acceptable to play like horse shit and then blame everyone else for not being able to decipher scum from bad.

What's bad or not is a matter of opinion though.

And really?? I see people all the time play like crap out of Rome lol.

I've seen people get mugged outside of ghettos
does that make it okay for me to mug them? hell no

[SlingshotWaffles]

because i think youre not getting we aren't playing in Rome. I think you need a news flash because you will start making people mad.
when you leave rome it's no longer acceptable to play like horse shit and then blame everyone else for not being able to decipher scum from bad.

What's bad or not is a matter of opinion though.

And really?? I see people all the time play like crap out of Rome lol.

I've seen people get mugged outside of ghettos
does that make it okay for me to mug them? hell no

Bad analogy because one is breaking the rules and one isn't.

[Backhand]

I thought that bit was going to be much more annoying than it was.

Waffles, for town to win they have to be able to work together (hell, for mafia to win they usually have to be able to work together). If you're not concerned about "being readable" you're going to be worse at the game.

@Hiraki: Most everyone besides DRK and grendel have expressed opinions on waffles v. nero already, is why I wanted to know what they thought specifically.

[SlingshotWaffles]

Except I still disagree.

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: waffles

[SlingshotWaffles]

VOTE: waffles

Good vote.

[implosion]

Vote Count 2.5

Nero Cain (2): kraska77, SlingshotWaffles
SlingshotWaffles (2): Hiraki, MuttonChopMagic
DeathRowKitty (2): Cheetory6, Grendel
Vedith (1): Backhand
Grendel (1): CCC
CCC (1): Nero Cain

Not Voting (3): DeathRowKitty, NotTheRealPaul, Vedith


With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
Deadline is at 11:30 PM PST on Friday, June 30, in (expired on 2017-07-01 02:30:00).

Vedith replaces covfefe.
DeathRowKitty has been prodded.

[Vedith]

Never fear, Vedith is here!

UNVOTE: All

Games night tonight - I'll do shit tomorrow.

[Nero Cain]

Except my vote doesn't say otherwise because that's not the reason for my vote.

What's the reason then?

[CCC]

I didn't take it that way, CCC. I think grendel was just trying to get DRK to contribute more, which is something that we need. Like you have to believe that grendel believes that DRK actually has some magic ability to detect town power roles to really scumread over that.

Magic power? No. But Grendel finding out where DRK thinks the power roles are might help Grendel to pinpoint them with greater accuracy.

I'm aware that Grendel's statement can be taken in multiple ways. I'm... not at all sure which of those ways is correct.

I agree that the NM wagon could have been safe and lazy. However, it seems indicative to me that lazy scum do not appear to have jumped on. And given the (bad, in my opinion) wagon that got driven on kraska by you and waffles, there's some associative guilt there, I'm expecting there to be one scum between the two of you. Waffles fishing on NTRP was super gross but its really hard to tell what he's thinking.

Hmmmmmmm. That is a good argument.

If I take it as given that there's one scum between Nero and Waffles... well, it could go either way, but right now I'd be more likely to pick Waffles as the Mafia member. (Though that could easily change).

[CCC]

CCC is probably bitter because I _have_ been pretty inactive this game.

If I was voting on inactivity bitterness, I'd be voting for Not_Mafia before you.

I'm with DRK on this. This is just terrible. Blatant rolefishing.

And how long have you been in a relationship with DRK btw?

Not "in a relationship" with. "In agreement" with.

[CCC]

...confefe's vote analysis post has inspired me to take a closer look at yesterday's wagons. And I noticed something interesting. Take a look at these two votecounts:

Not_Mafia (6): Not_Mafia, Backhand, Cheetory6, DeathRowKitty,

NotTheRealPaul

,

PenguinPower

Gamma Emerald

(2):

CCC

,

MuttonChopMagic

Backhand (1): Grendel

CCC

(1): Hiraki
Cheetory6 (1): SlingshotWaffles

Not Voting (2): Gamma Emerald, Nero Cain

--------------

PenguinPower

(7): Cheetory6, Backhand, Nero Cain, DeathRowKitty,

CCC

, Not_Mafia,

kraska77

kraska77

(5): SlingshotWaffles,

MuttonChopMagic

,

PenguinPower

, Hiraki,

NotTheRealPaul

Backhand (1): Grendel

Not Voting (0):

See it? Take a good look at these two wagons. Consider what happens if Not_Mafia is or is not Mafia.

I'll explain what I think I've seen there in the spoiler below.

Spoiler:

Three unverified names are on both wagons - Cheetory, Backhand, and DeathRowKitty. Now, since PenguinPower was Town, it's almost certain that there were some Mafia on her wagon. (Note, also, that none of these three names were on the kraska wagon that formed afterwards).

Let's consider two possibilities. First, consider Not_Mafia being scum:

Not_Mafia

(6):

Not_Mafia

, Backhand, Cheetory6, DeathRowKitty,

NotTheRealPaul

,

PenguinPower

Gamma Emerald

(2):

CCC

,

MuttonChopMagic

Backhand (1): Grendel

CCC

(1): Hiraki
Cheetory6 (1): SlingshotWaffles

Not Voting (2): Gamma Emerald, Nero Cain

--------------

PenguinPower

(7): Cheetory6, Backhand, Nero Cain, DeathRowKitty,

CCC

,

Not_Mafia

,

kraska77

kraska77

(5): SlingshotWaffles,

MuttonChopMagic

,

PenguinPower

, Hiraki,

NotTheRealPaul

Backhand (1): Grendel

Not Voting (0):

In this case, it's clear to see what happened; the votes on Not_Mafia were all Town. Not_Mafia and Nero Cain were the two Mafia votes on PenguinPower. We take those two out, and then we've only got one Mafioso left to find.

But there's the other option, the option in which Not_Mafia is Town. In that case, we have:

Not_Mafia

(6):

Not_Mafia

, Backhand, Cheetory6, DeathRowKitty,

NotTheRealPaul

,

PenguinPower

Gamma Emerald

(2):

CCC

,

MuttonChopMagic

Backhand (1): Grendel

CCC

(1): Hiraki
Cheetory6 (1): SlingshotWaffles

Not Voting (2): Gamma Emerald, Nero Cain

--------------

PenguinPower

(7): Cheetory6, Backhand, Nero Cain, DeathRowKitty,

CCC

,

Not_Mafia

,

kraska77

kraska77

(5): SlingshotWaffles,

MuttonChopMagic

,

PenguinPower

, Hiraki,

NotTheRealPaul

Backhand (1): Grendel

Not Voting (0):

In this scenario, Not_Mafia was an attempt at pushing through a mislynch on a mostly-absent player. There must have been at least one or perhaps even two Mafia in the group {Cheetory6, Backhand, DeathRowKitty}. (Two of whom I'm Townreading, but I have little but tone to base those reads on, so they could well be wrong).

So. It seems that Not_Mafia would, at the very least, be a most

informative

lynch; proving, for sure, one way or another, whether he's scum or not should allow us to focus our future scumhunting very, very precisely.

[CCC]

covfefe has requested replacement.

Searching.

...wow, that was fast.

[CCC]

Never fear, Vedith is here!

UNVOTE: All

Games night tonight - I'll do shit tomorrow.

Welcome, Vedith! (Wow, these repplacements are confusing).

...for the reasons specified in this post, though, I think that the right thing to do is VOTE: Vedith (apologies, Vedith, but you replaced in at exactly the wrong time)

[Hiraki]

So. It seems that Not_Mafia would, at the very least, be a most informative lynch; proving, for sure, one way or another, whether he's scum or not should allow us to focus our future scumhunting very, very precisely.

yes congratulations CCC, you've clearly defined the reasoning that N_M is lynched, regardless of role, in most of his games - great job

If someone TRs CCC at this point, I really need to hear your bullshit

[Grendel]

I didn't take it that way, CCC. I think grendel was just trying to get DRK to contribute more, which is something that we need. Like you have to believe that grendel believes that DRK actually has some magic ability to detect town power roles to really scumread over that.

Magic power? No. But Grendel finding out where DRK thinks the power roles are might help Grendel to pinpoint them with greater accuracy.

I'm aware that Grendel's statement can be taken in multiple ways. I'm... not at all sure which of those ways is correct.

CCC is probably bitter because I _have_ been pretty inactive this game.

If I was voting on inactivity bitterness, I'd be voting for Not_Mafia before you.

I'm with DRK on this. This is just terrible. Blatant rolefishing.

And how long have you been in a relationship with DRK btw?

Not "in a relationship" with. "In agreement" with.

So you aren't sure which meaning it is, while you simultaneously agree with DRK that I'm role fishing?

In truth it was a rushed post I made when I saw DRK was on, and I wanted to interact with her so I could start my sorting process. I won't deny that I framed it up poorly. I aligned my thoughts in a dirction that was better in my next post.

I thought how DRK jumped down my throat was pretty bad when I was a town read of hers for the whole game afaik

[Grendel]

@Sling

Can you slow down to ensure your future posts contain more content?

You don't have to respond with a quip to every post addressing you. All that you are doing currently is bogging the game state down. I know you don't _want_ to be like this right? You want to be helpful right?

What are your thoughts on DRK?

[Grendel]

Never fear, Vedith is here!

UNVOTE: All

Games night tonight - I'll do shit tomorrow.

Hi Vedith!

You probably don't remember me, but I remember subbing into your slot for a game. And I think we were in another game together at one point too.

[SlingshotWaffles]

@Sling

Can you slow down to ensure your future posts contain more content?

You don't have to respond with a quip to every post addressing you. All that you are doing currently is bogging the game state down. I know you don't _want_ to be like this right? You want to be helpful right?

What are your thoughts on DRK?

So you're asking me to conform to site meta because ???

Lurking. Kinda scumish I guess.

[Grendel]

1) Because I think you are town, and I don't want you to get lynched for your combative defensiveness.

2) Maybe if I take to time to work with you then your overall play will benefit. (prob not, I'm not a great player)

3) I'm somewhat reliant on having town reads to have a rapport with when I'm too busy to dedicate lots of time to a game.

[SlingshotWaffles]

So want me to ISO DRK?

[Grendel]

Sure, I'm looking right at her too.

Trouble is that she seems super chill, and is prob hard to spot as scum.

[Grendel]

The first... 15 pages feel like an entirely different game then the one I'm in now.

Most of the roster are subs now.

Death Row isn't as bad as I thought. I'm not thrilled with another player only town reading for rqs. At least it seemed her whole preliminary read on me was based off the fact I used RQS as an opener. I thought that her original posts were lecture-ry, especially her interactions with notsure. Her post at 107, where she original talks about Mutton's op looks bad to me.

She also never got back to what she thought was weird about my Gamma defense. If she thought my defesnse was crap I'd think she call me out in a more direct manner. Could be because I was generally town read at that point. I didn't really care for how she handled Mutton, and Gamma in general.

I guess I wasn't the super strong town read for her that I thought I was. Also don't feel like I found enough there to merit a strong scum read.

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I aslo took some time to look at CCC and uh CCC actually looks kinda bad in retrospect. It seemed like he spent a lot more time honing in an trivial things then I remebered. That one long exchange about how I misspelled "scared", and Lecturing Mutton about rhyming structures... idk why but it feels not very focused for someone as analytically inclined as CCC.