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[Grendel]

@Cheetory

I know that lecturing is consider a town/scum tell among more experienced players on this site,

Do you know if DRK falls under one or the other?

[Grendel]

I'm with DRK on this. This is just terrible. Blatant rolefishing.

And how long have you been in a relationship with DRK btw?

Not "in a relationship" with. "In agreement" with.

I was actually wanting to know what your current read on her was. Like do you think she is town?

I might of missed it since I didn't scour your D2 posts.

[Grendel]

*@All*

I'm going to _find_ more time to contribute to this game later.

I would love love love if we could cut down on the snarky potshots for a while. It would really help me get me invested in this game.

Thank you!

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: nero

[Hiraki]

MCM lemme help you help me help you

(please)

[MuttonChopMagic]

HEAL: hiraki

[Vedith]

Hi Vedith!

You probably don't remember me, but I remember subbing into your slot for a game. And I think we were in another game together at one point too.

I've played with you at least twice, once you were in a hydra, and once in a large game I think!
Hello!

So I am here, what's the facts of the game?
Before reading the game, I'm going to call Kraska scum, because Kraska. Other than that, where am I starting?

[Cheetory6]

That's a pretty good read.

[SlingshotWaffles]

Kraska and MCM are conf town.

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Sling

join me MCM.

[CCC]

So. It seems that Not_Mafia would, at the very least, be a most informative lynch; proving, for sure, one way or another, whether he's scum or not should allow us to focus our future scumhunting very, very precisely.

yes congratulations CCC, you've clearly defined the reasoning that N_M is lynched, regardless of role, in most of his games - great job

Because his flip would provide good data on close on half the other players?

[CCC]

I didn't take it that way, CCC. I think grendel was just trying to get DRK to contribute more, which is something that we need. Like you have to believe that grendel believes that DRK actually has some magic ability to detect town power roles to really scumread over that.

Magic power? No. But Grendel finding out where DRK thinks the power roles are might help Grendel to pinpoint them with greater accuracy.

I'm aware that Grendel's statement can be taken in multiple ways. I'm... not at all sure which of those ways is correct.

CCC is probably bitter because I _have_ been pretty inactive this game.

If I was voting on inactivity bitterness, I'd be voting for Not_Mafia before you.

I'm with DRK on this. This is just terrible. Blatant rolefishing.

And how long have you been in a relationship with DRK btw?

Not "in a relationship" with. "In agreement" with.

So you aren't sure which meaning it is, while you simultaneously agree with DRK that I'm role fishing?

I'm not certain, but I do think that the role-fishing meaning is likely.

In truth it was a rushed post I made when I saw DRK was on, and I wanted to interact with her so I could start my sorting process. I won't deny that I framed it up poorly. I aligned my thoughts in a dirction that was better in my next post.

That's the other possibility, yes. It's also what you'd claim, either way.

Be that as it may, though, I'm currently thinking we can solve about half the game by getting Vedith's flip, one way or the other, so I'm currently more inclined to leave my vote on him.

[CCC]

I aslo took some time to look at CCC and uh CCC actually looks kinda bad in retrospect. It seemed like he spent a lot more time honing in an trivial things then I remebered. That one long exchange about how I misspelled "scared", and Lecturing Mutton about rhyming structures... idk why but it feels not very focused for someone as analytically inclined as CCC.

Nothing to analyse day one. It's a problem.

And how long have you been in a relationship with DRK btw?

Not "in a relationship" with. "In agreement" with.

I was actually wanting to know what your current read on her was. Like do you think she is town?

I might of missed it since I didn't scour your D2 posts.

Oh. Near to null, but if anything on the scummy side of null. No strong reason to read anything more than that out of her slot that I can see. If Vedith flips town, then she will abruptly become probable scum - if Vedith flips scum, she'll be probable Town.

[implosion]

Vote Count 2.6

Nero Cain (3): kraska77, SlingshotWaffles, MuttonChopMagic
Vedith (2): Backhand, CCC
SlingshotWaffles (2): Hiraki, Nero Cain
DeathRowKitty (2): Cheetory6, Grendel

Not Voting (3): DeathRowKitty, NotTheRealPaul, Vedith


With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
Deadline is at 11:30 PM PST on Friday, June 30, in (expired on 2017-07-01 02:30:00).

NotTheRealPaul has been prodded.
kraska77 is V/LA.
Searching for a replacement for DeathRowKitty.

[CCC]

Hi Vedith!

You probably don't remember me, but I remember subbing into your slot for a game. And I think we were in another game together at one point too.

I've played with you at least twice, once you were in a hydra, and once in a large game I think!
Hello!

So I am here, what's the facts of the game?
Before reading the game, I'm going to call Kraska scum, because Kraska. Other than that, where am I starting?

Day One, the player in your slot was... ridiculously quiet. Said basically nothing of consequence until he hit L-1, and even then said the very minimum. Was close on policy lynched, until a second wagon was started on the slot that Kraska replaced into. Eventually, the lynch was down to between PenguinPower and Kraska; PenguinPower died (flipping Town) and Kraska narrowly (very narrowly) lived.

Also, during Day One, NotTheRealPaul got a vote or two and immediately (and unnecessarily) softed a PR pretty noticeably.

Night one, there was no kill. (My theory is that the Doctor and the Mafia both hit NTRP for his PR softing)

Early in Day Two, MuttonChopMagic and Kraska revealed that Kraska had got a PM overnight stating that MuttonChopMagic was innocent. MuttonChopMagic revealed that he was a Friendly Neighbour with a 1xLoyal modifier - the fact that Kraska had received his message meant Kraska must be Townsided as well. Which means that the two of them are either both Town or both Mafia and pulling off a massive bluff. (But both Town seems more likely to me - MCM can prove that by Friendly-Neighbouring more people in future nights).

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So much for the highlights. Now, on to more speculative matters. Looking at the wagon on Not_Mafia (which is your slot - it's been through several players) yesterday, and comparing it to the votes on the proven-Townie PenguinPower lynch wagon, I notice that (if one ignores the likely-town MCM, Kraska and NTRP) three names are on both wagons - Backhand, Cheetory6, DeathRowKitty. Considering that the day one wagon on your slot was basically an easy policy lynch, the only way I can imagine that there wasn't a heavy scum presence on your wagon was if you yourself are scum. So, if you're Town, then at least one or two of those three pretty much have to be scum - while, on the flip side, if you're scum then I would assume that those three are all likely to be Town (in which case Nero Cain is very likely one of your scumbuddies).

I think you have a pretty decent chance of being scum, and the information we get from verification of your slot is massively valuable.

[CCC]

Vote Count 2.6

DeathRowKitty (1): Cheetory6
DeathRowKitty (1): Grendel

Implosion: I think this may be an error.

It has in fact been an error for three vote counts. Fixed.

[implosion]

gigabyteTroubadour replaces DeathRowKitty.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

felt this was pertinent to this game

[gigabyteTroubadour]

anyway

[gigabyteTroubadour]

VOTE: Nero Cain

also kraska was obvtown and a complete waste of a PR but i cant really complain because it means i'll have to save my breath and not have to make a bunch of meta wallposts that'll be ignored again like last time

[Nero Cain]

zzzzzzzzzzz

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I'm always wishwashy.

this is horseshit btw

nero's scum and i don't think scum are bussing

only slot i'm townreading so far besides kraska and mcm is vedith but i haven't read the game yet

just felt the way the wagons happened it was TvT - i've never seen a scum wagon stall like that EoD against a town wagon

also CCC going for an information lynch is probably not a good idea - do you have a compelling reason to think that Vedith/Not_Mafia is scum over, say, Nero?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

grendel can you tell me why you're not voting nero

[Nero Cain]

Who you voting when I flip town?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Who you voting when I flip town?

not a good question to ask when i have no reads since when i watch games i only pay attention to slots im familiar with

only have read kraska and you and kind of grendel so

i replaced into this game specifically to lynch you and also because kraska asked me to