Mini Normal 1921 - Town Win

[MariaR]

you act like I only have 1 playstyle I am OFFENDED

[rb]

you act like you have more than 1

:/

[rb]

sorry i don't really have that much of a problem with the way you play but i do think you're pretty 1-dimensional

[MariaR]

fair enough

[gerryoat]

you act like I only have 1 playstyle I am OFFENDED

you act like you have more than 1

:/

got emmmmmmmm

[Flairs]

Uh it feels like something scum would do- we've got two weeks for day 1 and scum would probably want to lynch a townie the first chance they got so that there's less a chance of one of them being lynched. So if you were scum you'd be trying to push a town lynch early in the game.

Wtf? Just...no?

Scum almost always stall out the unnecessarily long deadlines and are responsible for so many lost games on this site because town never gains any momentum. Games grind to a halt and people lose focus/interest which is the death of town functioning.

There's a reason that this site has shit town winrates with super long deadlines compared to a lot of places with very short deadlines.

Oh that's interesting, in my experience (in two newbie games, so it might not be so credible) whenever someone has tried to lynch early they're pegged as scum. And I feel like logically, scum would want to keep the day as short as possible so they say as little as possible that could potentially point towards them being scum.

I think you're very wrong on some stuff but I actually think your 'mindset' is correct for town. Your engagement + activity is 10x better than myko for example.

Can I ask what prompted this read change? Just 6 posts prior you lynched me and were scum reading me pretty hard.

@flairs: rb asked the entire game what our thoughts on cloudkicker were right before you voted him. It struck me as weird that you overlooked the most recent posts by the person you were explaining your vote on just then.

The point I was trying to make wasn’t that mafia doesn’t give reasons for their reads, its that their reasons tend to be dodgy in a way that resembles both of the ones you gave. In lieu of any genuine search for alignments they tend to cite something someone said that they call antitown or annoying, and they tend to bring up generalized tells rather than focusing on the individual situation.

It just seemed like, for all the explanation you were doing, it sounded to me like you were mostly trying to paint a picture of yourself scumhunting rather than sincerely looking for his alignment.

Oh sorry, I didn't realize cloudkicker asked that.

I agree that I was broad, but that was on purpose- I was hoping that by giving a large example it would be easier to understand/see the connection I saw /w scummy actions and rb.

And then other cloudkicker stuff: So I read through his iso, and half of it is sarcasm and the other half is statements with little evidence backed up, and it's kind of hard to tell between the two. I'm not entirely sure if this is scummy or just his playstyle, since there aren't many other people who have pointed it out. I originally thought that not explaining was a town move, but after Impoetic's explanation of town vs. scum explanations I'm not so sure.

[mykonian]

I think you're very wrong on some stuff but I actually think your 'mindset' is correct for town. Your engagement + activity is 10x better than myko for example.

Can I ask what prompted this read change? Just 6 posts prior you lynched me and were scum reading me pretty hard.

I think I can answer this one. RB attacked you because you were voting him, plain and simple omgus. Transcend preferred me, and I don't think rb would ever get something going on you with the positive responses your posts got from other people.

[Transcend]

i actually

[Transcend]

think flairs is mafia

[mykonian]

might as well shout at robb then and validate RB's claim that he's not sheeping you

[Transcend]

hush mafia

[GraphicDesignPassion]

yawn i should probably contribute shouldn't i

ok robb looks like he was actually upset but i don't think that's an alignment tell- nothing new here. i think he'd defend himself in both cases although it seems here's very defensive about his position
i was afraid rb was tunneling as maf but they flipped so nevermind

tr dunkerdoodles

i'm going to go read mykon and flairs- i don't have a solid read of mykon after reading until now but people are voting him so there must be something there

[Transcend]

VOTE: Graphic

[Transcend]

He isn't town

[GraphicDesignPassion]

shh no it's tom marvello riddle

I can't really tell what to make of the robbnva/rb situation because it genuinely seems like they just dislike each other and their arguements stopped being entirely related to mafia at some point. Idk if they have beef with each other outside of the game though or anything.

i don't like this line

[Transcend]

Me neither

[Transcend]

I think ur bussing though baby

[GraphicDesignPassion]

Well transcend, seen that you worry about lurkers: A guy has a solid quarter of the posts and I dont even know who he suspects. All I know is that he finds robb insufferable and acts like a dick about it. He's said nothing at all in relation to the game.

i like this line

[Transcend]

Bye bye

[Transcend]

That was actually a very bad post, how can you like it?

We're lynching Graphic. He's not genuinely scum hunting imo.

[Transcend]

That's the biggest discredit towards rb's efforts

[GraphicDesignPassion]

Well transcend, seen that you worry about lurkers: A guy has a solid quarter of the posts and I dont even know who he suspects. All I know is that he finds robb insufferable and acts like a dick about it. He's said nothing at all in relation to the game.

i like this line

what's bad about it?

the thing in question here isn't you, transcend, it's the fact i know instantly which player mykonian is talking about, and then how true his post really is. it's something that needed to be said

and no reads on one line aren't reads on an entire player, i'm just marking things

[GraphicDesignPassion]

even more annoyingly is that after myko made this post was when rb decided it's time to stop tunneling robb into the ground

[GraphicDesignPassion]

mykonian seems genuine in what he says and i feel like he's been contributing and giving reads people don't want to hear

like why would he even bother posting this as mafia

is it just me or does this setup seem kinda stacked

for us

oh

please

Does this work with your friends? You can go on the scumpile.

reading flaires is annoying

i think their reasons here were genuine

So I'm going to VOTE: rb now for two reasons:

1)

Since scum winrate actually goes up when you lynch scum day1, im not inclined to drag out this day forever and get everyone super anal retentive trying to find that perfect golden win. I'm honestly willing to just lynch robb right now and call it a day.

Somehow I missed this quote earlier, but it's like rb is using some higher authority to argue that we shouldn't be trying that hard to find scum.

2) I kind of hate the defenses were it's "I wouldn't do x if I was scum, I do x when I'm town" because a) there isn't really a clear way to verify it- yes, you can look at past games but it's all perspective really, something that one player might think is toxic might not be and b) it's very easy to be scum and set definitions for how you act as town or scum and then act the way you would as town, so town shouldn't be trusting those definitions, or you.

Also who is thor

but i don't feel like these reasons were enough to validate a vote

yawn i don't think there's enough stuff here to read flaires fully but they're leaning scum. let's just see whatever else they post i guess

[Alchemist21]

Ima grab this page top