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Post Post #800 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:34 pm

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VOTE: Eddie cane
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Post Post #801 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:41 pm

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In post 800, Tchill13 wrote:VOTE: Eddie cane
I don't even need to read anything to know that's a good vote

VOTE: eddie
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Post Post #802 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:42 pm

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Robb you should probably start reading because that's a horrible vote
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Post Post #803 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:50 pm

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I will but voting eddie this game is never a horrible vote.
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Post Post #804 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:51 pm

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Quit being dense
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Post Post #805 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:09 pm

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I'm not. I legitimately scum read them.
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Post Post #806 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:26 pm

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I have some homework to plow through tonight, but should be back here tomorrow.

I need to look at Monkey because he claimed... I guess? (I've only scanned through this thing over the night phase)
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Post Post #807 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:22 pm

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What's your case on Eddie, TChill?

In post 795, Tchill13 wrote:If he had a solid amount of justification against monkey why wasn't monkey the one that got flash wagoned?
Can't answer for anyone else, but I switched my vote because Monkey claimed and even if it was scummy as fuck town still needed time to discuss it.

Lynch successfully averted and now we have PLENTY of time, so...

VOTE: Monkey
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Post Post #808 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:24 pm

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In post 807, Sunlit Diamond wrote:What's your case on Eddie, TChill?

In post 795, Tchill13 wrote:If he had a solid amount of justification against monkey why wasn't monkey the one that got flash wagoned?
Can't answer for anyone else, but I switched my vote because Monkey claimed and even if it was scummy as fuck town still needed time to discuss it.

Lynch successfully averted and now we have PLENTY of time, so...

VOTE: Monkey

Lynch successfully averted <-- this was a sarcastic commentary on his strategy, not a celebration, for the record.
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Post Post #809 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:53 pm

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In post 786, Dark Horse wrote:I really don't like the huge double standard korts had between monkey and vecna's claims.
I don't understand this argument. Are you being deliberately obtuse? Vecna claimed after a bunch of scummy shit, where he exploded all over the thread, threatened Tchill post-claim multiple times, desperately tried to lead the town away from his wagon, and constantly misrepresented any argument against him.
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he claimed, which to me looked like another clear diversion attempt after all the others had failed. It was a bogus claim, even if it turned out to be true.

monkey didn't explode like that, and although his claim was early, it was nearing deadline and his counterwagon was gaining steam. Admittedly, at that point I was on limited access and just trying to get a Vecna lynch to happen, so I wasn't reading thoroughly - but I don't remember any blatant scumminess from monkey before the claim.

I have a bunch of things to do in the following days, so the reread isn't coming before the weekend. Maybe I just missed something.
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Post Post #810 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:57 pm

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In post 802, Dark Horse wrote:Robb you should probably start reading because that's a horrible vote
Tell me why it's a horrible vote and who we should be lynching instead.

You only get one shot. Make it count.
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Post Post #811 (ISO) » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:36 am

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In post 785, Tchill13 wrote:Grendel, Vecna and massive's votes confuse me looking at the vote count. At least with Vecna his revote on me after I claimed was good enough reason to vote him. Those other votes just seem like a place to put it without bringing up any concern.
What about my vote is confusing?

Also, what's up with your hard-on about the no-lynch? Why didn't you make up for it by shooting Assembler yourself?
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Post Post #812 (ISO) » Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:36 am

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My issue with a no lynch day 1 is we're in the SAME EXACT situation on day 2 we just gave scum a free PR kill.
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Post Post #813 (ISO) » Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:21 am

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In post 773, Dark Horse wrote:VOTE: Monkey
In post 807, Sunlit Diamond wrote:What's your case on Eddie, TChill?

In post 795, Tchill13 wrote:If he had a solid amount of justification against monkey why wasn't monkey the one that got flash wagoned?
Can't answer for anyone else, but I switched my vote because Monkey claimed and even if it was scummy as fuck town still needed time to discuss it.

Lynch successfully averted and now we have PLENTY of time, so...

VOTE: Monkey
So, what's the case on me DH and SD? I'd like to hear it.
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Post Post #814 (ISO) » Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:23 am

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In post 812, Tchill13 wrote:My issue with a no lynch day 1 is we're in the SAME EXACT situation on day 2 we just gave scum a free PR kill.
I think I made the right call to not lynch Vecna, tho. I don't believe that we're exactly where we were. The wagon around Vecna is the hint. We have the added bonus of not losing two town PRs in the same day.

Why didn't you confirm your role? massive's right. Why didn't you make it up by shooting Assemble?
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Post Post #815 (ISO) » Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:25 am

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In post 773, Dark Horse wrote:VOTE: Monkey
I think the statement "same exact situation" tells me you haven't been reading. Make that move right now.
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Post Post #816 (ISO) » Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:37 pm

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Post Post #817 (ISO) » Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:36 am

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VOTE: Tchill
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Post Post #818 (ISO) » Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:13 am

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My play so far would have drawn a vigkill, I now realize. If TChill did not shoot me, I highly doubt his claim.
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Post Post #819 (ISO) » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:55 am

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Post Post #820 (ISO) » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:07 am

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It seems very strange to me to jump to a scumread on TChill based on lack of vigshot.

If TChill is Vig, and Vecna was JK, and Vecna said he was going to JK TChill, and actions resolve before kills- wouldn't that mean that TChill's vigshot didn't go through?

I realize it could also be a SUPER handy cover up.
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Post Post #821 (ISO) » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:13 am

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In post 820, Sunlit Diamond wrote:If TChill is Vig, and Vecna was JK, and Vecna said he was going to JK TChill, and actions resolve before kills- wouldn't that mean that TChill's vigshot didn't go through?
this basically.
I realize it could also be a SUPER handy cover up.
A Tchill/Vecna team yea.

Vecna dead tho so :3

Also, Tchill claimed before Vecna so it's not like Tchill could have planned that
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Post Post #822 (ISO) » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:17 am

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"I realize it could also be a SUPER handy cover up."
"A Tchill/Vecna team yea.

Vecna dead tho so :3

Also, Tchill claimed before Vecna so it's not like Tchill could have planned that"

TChill could use this excuse even if Vecna dies.

I just want to hear from TChill if he indeed used his ability last night and if he's claiming one-shot vig.
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Post Post #823 (ISO) » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:42 am

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I did not use my ability and I am not claiming one shot. I wasn't gonna kill a townie on accident on top of the fact that we had already given scum a free kill because of the no lynch.
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Post Post #824 (ISO) » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:55 am

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There are two scenarios here for TChill:
(1) town, but dense enough to not understand that scum kills every night anyway and it's good that we didn't lose two claimed PRs (in this scenario, Chill is town) through ML + NK. And also, he didn't think he needed to confirm his PR role for town.
(2) scum, claimed a vig role last night but couldn't deliver the confirmation (obviously) so he decides it's a good excuse to use the no lynch yesterday and exclaim frustration.

Which one is it?

TChill, why didn't you want to confirm your PR role for town? Is your reason simply because you didn't want to kill a townie on accident? When do you think is the appropriate time for you to use your ability if not for Assembletrows?
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