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[Aristophanes]

VC 5.2

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Lynching

Toranaga

(1): Sergtacos

Sergtacos

(1): Toranaga

Not Voting

(3): Thor665, Chip Butty, havingfitz

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch

The day 5 deadline is in

: (expired on 2017-10-25 22:00:00)

Mod Notes

: Keep it fun!

[Thor665]

So many pagetops claimed, so few VCs.


FItz's v/la ends today, hopefully he'll do something to make me feel better about his slot.

[havingfitz]

Tor...can you explain how you are a confirmed tracker?

[Toranaga]

Tor...can you explain how you are a confirmed tracker?

I can but just because you're a replacement:

1 - On d2 I outed my role and that fykus didn't go anywhere at night before fykus even softclaimed;
2 - On d4 I outed that sergtacos didn't go anywhere;
3 - when I was kept alive between n3-d4, mulch visited HEM and HEM died. that means mulch did the NK, and not his scum partner, to avoid me being kept alive and tracking his partner doing the NK. Mulch has no reason to visit HEM if I'm scum with Mulch, because if I'm scum that means no town tracker, so he can send fruit to whoever and I do the NK.

point 3 is flying above your heads, isn't it?

[havingfitz]

Why did you claim Tor?

[Chip Butty]

@Toranaga:

Your reports are also consistent with you being a role scanner.

N1 you scan Fykus and learn he is an even-night GS and therefore didn't go anywhere n1.

N3 you scanned Taco and saw he is VT (I'm assuming for the purposes of this exercise) and therefore didn't go anywhere n3.

Am i missing anything? You might not even be odd-night.

ok say I'm role scanner then. say I'm any scum PR that could claim as if I was a town PR. it's the same thing. 13er with 2 town prs and 2 scum prs that could hardclaim as town. even more unlikely to be true now that I'm a strong af role scanner.

Havingfitz, Toranaga could also be a rolescanner. He even admits it. Yet now he's back to his confirmed tracker story.

[Chip Butty]

A more straightforward reason why Toranaga is alive is if he is scum.

[Chip Butty]

I can't see Mulch buying HEM's claim. So he would have insisted that the tracker with a track due get NKed.

[Chip Butty]

I mean, a loyal cop plus backup cop plus en gs plus odd night tracker plus miller? Who is going to believe that shit?

[Chip Butty]

Everything Toranaga talks about could have been plotted at night. Including scum theatrics.

[Chip Butty]

I wanna get lynched tomorrow too, I don't mind it

you chip butty and HEM were so horrible for town I'm fine losing to whoever is scum in this game

From d4...

[Chip Butty]

that M in front of your vote doesn't discount the vote I suppose

you're still 100% lynched here

VOTE: mulch

VOTE: mulch

I believe this is a hammer. I’ll do the flip and post final VC after class.

"Better come back and make sure you're really hammered..."

[Chip Butty]

absolutely lynch me tomorrow yes

From d4...

[Toranaga]

if mulch was town

why are you even quoting this out of context

[Toranaga]

Why did you claim Tor?

cause I fucking felt like it

[Toranaga]

yes I outed mulch and was the only reason he got lynched because of -theatrics-. a wolf that was widely townread and only got lynched at all because of me. -theatrics-.

[Toranaga]

there is absolutely no end to how poorly you can play chip

[Toranaga]

mulch wagon was me, mulch, cheeky and sergtacos. tacos likely the other scum, cheeky merely policy voting him cause self vote, and mulch first as an angleshot, then as MAJ. the rest of you were all townreading him and would keep townreading him and lose to him if I didn't stop it. a scum player I caught d fucking 2.

[havingfitz]

OK...so I finally finished Toranaga's ISO. FFS it was a lot of posts.

In summary...I suspect Tor. I find his suspicions to be very inconsistent outside of his impressive confidence that skittle and Mulch were scum.

I find it extremely coincidental his N1 action targeted Fykus, the even night gunsmith, and strangely enough...he also has an odd-night modifier on his PR. Which he claimed before Fykus....but unnecessarily at L-3. Then...despite getting no movement by Fykus (which one would assume was at least a plus in the "is he town column" for Fykus) deems him worthy of the D2 lynch.

Strangely enough...his N3 track, Taco, is also the recipient of his vote today despite not having visited anyone N3 when supposedly tracked. Why would a tracker be so inclined to go against what his results would seem to indicate? Twice.

I'm not a big fan of all his adamant assertions that he is town; and confirmed; and sure to be the NK repeatedly. His confidence in the scum team's first 2 members was very impressive even if the same confidence has not been present outside of those two scum.

I will say that if Tor is town I will be a big fan of his abilities after this game.

That said...I do not want Tor in D6. Ideally he is scum who really worked to make himself come across as town and distance himself from skitter and Mulch. But regardless of his alignment...if he were alive D6 there would be so much wifom to sift through my head would explode. If he made D6, regardless of what his N5 claim result was it would be too late to be acted on with certainty. Once a game gets to LYLO any unsubstantiated claims and their results are worthless imo.

If Tor is the lynch today...1) he could very well be scum, and 2) if not scum...it's just a standard 3 person LYLO tomorrow amongst people who do not have claims. Just a good old vanilla 2 townies vs 1 scum. I like those odds a lot more than if Tor brings a shitload of WIFOM to the day.

If Tor is not today's lynch and it is a mislynch...I have a hard time not voting Tor D6 if he makes it through the night.

I'll still ISO the other 3 players in the game but as it currently stands...I want to lynch Tor today.

Spoiler: Tor ISO

Day 1

Seems to be shading

robbnva

a good bit early D1.

Skittles

replace in is initially very well regarded (114).

Goes back and forth on

Skittles

...suspicions and town reading....vote...unvote...

809...hates a post by

Mulch

(which I actually saw nothing wrong with) but votes chip.

831...has

Mulch

at the bottom of his reads list (while voting chip who isn't even listed) and says he could easily swap

Mulch

at the bottom with Tacos.

836...more

Mulch

bashing (without a vote) while a post or two earlier starting to tr Tacos more.

840...4 posts later and

Mulch

is in the townblock. Shades

Fykus

and votes him in the next few posts.

Day 2

Spends significant portion of the day going off on, and voting, Chip...only to flip over to

Fykus

putting him at two votes. No real reason given other than to appease Chip's tunneling accusation. And Tor could have easily voted

Skittles

as well who had a larger wagon atm than

Fykus

.

1314...claims odd night tracker with a N1 track on

Fykus

. If

Fykus

didn't go anywhere why would you suspect him more than the other people you suspect? Your negative track result should spare him your vote over those you have no results on.

1381...Tor thinks the scum are chip,

mulch

and

fykus

.

1383...Tor calls

skitter

"lock town" for

skitter's

1364 defense of him (Tor).

1396...Tor says to never lynch

Misere (me)

due to

Mulch

suspicions.

1461...Tor is willing to lynch mulch with Chip.

1478...Tor votes

Misere (moi)

despite saying earlier to never vote

Misere

because of

Mulch

....who he is still scum reading.

1487...Tor thinks the scum are Chip,

misere

and

skitter

.

1509...Tor doesn't think Chip is scum.

1512...votes

mulch

. Wait! 1513votes

skitter

.

1567...top scum reads are

skitter

and

Mulch

.

1739...Tor last will and testament. Either very accurate from town pov or distancing and/or bussing at the same time is Tor is scum.

Feels like

Mulch

and Tor war is cross bussing to protect who ever isn't the first of them to be lynched.

1926...Tor thinks the scum are

misere

,

skitter

and

HEM

followed up with a vote on

misere (moi)

.

2089...Tor hammers

skitter

.

Day 3

2137...Tor thinks Tacos is a villager. Next post says he doesn't want to lynch misere if

Mulch

is scum nor

Porkens

for whatever.

Makes several posts directed at

Mulch

dissecting why his game doesn't make sense as town...says if

Mulch

is scum he bets his buddy is either Chip or

HEM

. Ergo Chip?

2191...not scumreading Thor at all.

2202...Tor locktowning

WM

and Tacos only to a certain extent and thinks Chip is likely a villager (???). Seems to shade Thor later in the post. flipflopflipflop...

2204...if

Mulch

flips scum lynch Thor. huh?

2214...if

Mulch

is scum and

HEM

is town...Thor is scum.

2244...ok...so this is why Tor thinks he is a confirmed tracker. I disagree. I seem to recall someone saying a rolecop would know

fykus

had gone nowehere N1. And a RB. Though if the last scum PR was a RB (which I doubt) I do not think scum would have fakeclaimed with a PR modify such as "odd-night."

2286..in this post Tor points out that the FV wouldn't be able to send fruit and perform the NK. This despite in the example Loud Fruit Vendor game he and

Mulch

discuss it appears the LFV can do both. Tor goes on to mention a scenario he would delay voting

Mulch

despite continuing to hard scum read him.

2334...implores whoever is town to vote

Mulch

with him at the end of the day. At this point Tor has yet to place a D3 vote btw.

2395...

Mulch

is a lock to flip red and his remaining buddy is

HEM

or Thor.

2407..."tacos is absolutely clear if

Mulch

is scum."

2431..."

Mulch

is the lynch this gameday."

2501...

misere

was a little scummy and so am

I

.

2609...finally places a D3 vote. Puts a 2nd vote on Chip instead of a 2nd vote on who is has been lobbying for all day (i.e.

Mulch

).

2637...says he would vote

Misere (me)

ahead of Chip (who he is currently voting), tacos and

Porkens

.

Votes

me

three gameposts later. States if

I

flip green to go for

Mulch

> Thor.

2679...switches over to

Mulch

and stays there the rest of D3, avoiding the eventual

Porkens

mislynch.

2682...

misere

had "good towny posts" and he likes

me

...me who he was just voting.

2831...twilight guess....remaining scum are either

me

and Taco or

Mulch

and Thor.

Day 4

2930...Tor tracked Tacos N3 and Tacos did not visit anyone.

Lots of back and forth with

Mulch

about their respective night actions. No vote on

Mulch

at this point btw.

Lots of distancing between Tor and

Mulch

going on. ex. 3005...

3021..."if it's

fitz

or taco I'd be surprised"

3077...Tor vehemently proclaims that a scum FV cannot do the nightkill AND send fruit...despite the fact the mod would not answer this question and the scum LFV example he discusses earlier in game is an example of where a scum FV can do both in the same night. And on that note...if he really believes that

Mulch

could not give fruit and NK in the same night...then he should consider taco practically cleared based on his N3 result. Which is not the case.

3127..."after

Mulch

, go Thor, and then chip."

Day 5

3184..Tor votes tacos. WTF? What happened to "after

Mulch

, go Thor, and then chip?"

[Toranaga]

you want to lynch tor today

my goodness

[Toranaga]

"I will say that if Tor is town I will be a big fan of his abilities after this game."

thank you

[Toranaga]

I'll take the compliment and won't fight my lynch. if you guys wanna do it, blergh do it. and yeah I'm sorry for throwing the towel like that, it's just that I'm trying to remove myself from mafia these days and this is particularly such a tilting game to play... I've said everything that could be said about the game already. I suggest lynching tacos next if you lynch me. and fitz, I explained why I changed from thor to tacos, and I think my explanation makes a whole lot of sense wrt me being alive. I'd go tacos > thor probably myself.

[Toranaga]

won't post this gameday anymore, do what you gotta do

gl hf

[Toranaga]

just a note on 'wifom of toranaga being alive at f3'.... me alive at f3 is the best case scenario regardless of my alignment because I'd have one shot at a track at night, and unless I tracked the NK I'd have a lock scum player, either tracking his NK or tracking the other player not doing the NK. so the other town has a 50% chance of getting it right as long as I bring a confirmed track with me. that is 50% chance of town winning in a vacuum as opposed to 33%. I said this already but there you go.

[Chip Butty]

I can't see Mulch buying HEM's claim. So he would have insisted that the tracker with a track due get NKed.

I mean, a loyal cop plus backup cop plus en gs plus odd night tracker plus miller? Who is going to believe that shit?

And on top of that, Tora spends his 'track' on Taco, when Mulch's fv alignment was so controversial?