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[humaneatingmonkey]

This one's on-going tho?

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[Mulch]

no...

[Virtuoso]

This one's on-going tho?

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This game was finished. Nexus did not update the thread title. I double checked.

[Toranaga]

Mulch, you're my favorite player already.

[Robbnva]

Pm'd the mod. Game is over. Game mod didn't update the game

[Mulch]

Mulch, you're my favorite player already.

Thanks. Are you pocketing me?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Meta is garbage! Playstyles switch, people can claim that something is someone's meta, and new players with no experience to that someone will not gather accurate results—but will likely get conf-biased opinions because there's already a suggestion. Anyway, let's not turn this into a discussion of meta. Build that wagon now—Respond to my posts if you do not want to vote WhyMafia.

[Chip Butty]

Hi all. First game back after more than a year away from the site. Feel like crap atm so will read through again later and decide who i want to vote for.

[Toranaga]

Mulch, you're my favorite player already.

Thanks. Are you pocketing me?

I just like where your brain is at wrt mafia in general, which of course doesn't necessarily mean you're town this game

[WhyMafia]

I have never seen RVS fade so quickly xD

[Toranaga]

here are some thoughts on the whole miller thing that aren't necessarily in response to anyone:

- d1 SOD openclaiming miller is a townie thing to do, because either the player is a miller or the player is fancy playing his hand hard as scum with no seemingly benefit for his win condition;
- Meta is a powerful tool. some people are good at it, some people are not so good at it. meta speaks directly to who a player is and what his tendencies are, it can work in delimiting a player's range and frequency as town and scum.
- We should lynch scummy people instead of resolving a miller claim d1. Only scum benefits from tunnel vision and only scum benefits from lynching a town player. On that subject, scum benefits strongly from lynching the miller d1, and defending that slot for 'pocketing' and 'town cred' is literally villa siding play.

[Toranaga]

RVS is senseless garbage. meta reads are not.

[WhyMafia]

Millers I don't think are used much and I think I've seen enough miller fake claims to not trust them. Plus despite the in incorrect wiki, proper play imo is to not actually claim.

Rob so you're saying my claim is BS bc of your experience with miller claims ... so it's a meta read.

1. Meta is garbage
2. From what I can tell mulch has only seen whymafia one game. So That's not enough to use garbage meta

I've played like at least 5 games with mulch and if meta is garbage why are you using it to justify yourself?

[WhyMafia]

Well hopefully you can't avoid it cause I'm going to make sure he's lynched

So you've decided to death tunnel me? I'm fine with that, but at least keep an open mind over others. I understand that you believe this is scum, but why wouldn't town!me claim?

[Toranaga]

WhyMafia townie reacting to pressure

[WhyMafia]

EDIT by post.

Tornaga's right. This will be two long weeks. I'm not going to lynch him today or next week, but I want to place a stagnating L-2 wagon on him until before deadline. If he's scum, people will try to protect the slot as much as possible. If he's town, no problem.

Toranaga's not looking at the big picture. If there's a Miller, there's possibly an investigative element to the game. If we can't flip it for that investigative role today, we will never confirm the slot. Scum will always want to keep this guy alive because it throws off that investigative role. Eventually, we'll be in LYLO and we will have this huge obstacle in the way. Better lynch him now that deal with that damage later.

You mean like you did?

SURE. GO WITH THAT. THE PERSON WHO PUSHES FOR HIS LYNCH ASAP IS THE PARTNER. lmao

IDK but this post is rubbing me the wrong way.
A) Leaving me at an L-2 wagon decreases the chance of his scum buddy getting pressured
B) Could leave a deadline scramble
C) It prevents us from doing any form of wagon analysis. It's easy for scum to just sit on me.
I think monkey is scum

And then I'm confused by the second part. It seems weird considering the first part. It's like he wants to push me, be wants to seem flexible for town cred. Then same with the thing with the invest. I claimed so it doesn't throw off the invest. How will it throw it off? Seems like a lazy way to justify a lynch. Then so what if it doesn't confirm me? Nobody is fully confirmed until their flip, why does it apply to me instead of a VT that doesn't get invested.

[WhyMafia]

If you guys suspect me fine. But what makes me any different from a VT that never gets invested. Judge me on my words not on my role. Stop being lazy

[WhyMafia]

Why does everyone leave when I post :/

[humaneatingmonkey]

Meta is unreliable. Instead, let's do what's logical for this game and what we think is true. I don't believe in the Miller claim, and I'm inclined to believe that it's beneficial for town to lynch WhyMafia even if the claim rings true.

Only scum benefits from tunnel vision and only scum benefits from lynching a town player.

The assumption that this is a tunnel vision is wrong. This is a calculated vote that I'm willing to vote while looking around the wagon.

On that subject, scum benefits strongly from lynching the miller d1, and defending that slot for 'pocketing' and 'town cred' is literally villa siding play.

I don't agree with any of this. Scum benefits strongly from retaining the miller D1 because it will throw off investigative roles and will cast a reasonable doubt to WhyMafia's slot, if town. Instead, I expect the mafia to turn on WhyMafia near LyLo or at LyLo. But everything about it will be WIFOM then. If we lynch WhyMafia now, we gain information plus we can discuss whatevs it is that happened around his lynch. This is the best way to win this.

And then I'm confused by the second part. It seems weird considering the first part. It's like he wants to push me, be wants to seem flexible for town cred. Then same with the thing with the invest. I claimed so it doesn't throw off the invest. How will it throw it off? Seems like a lazy way to justify a lynch. Then so what if it doesn't confirm me? Nobody is fully confirmed until their flip, why does it apply to me instead of a VT that doesn't get invested.

Not flexible. Will almost always try to lynch you today.

It will throw off the invest because he will not benefit from an unconfirmable slot that has not flipped yet—but the scum will.

Then so what if it doesn't confirm me? Nobody is fully confirmed until their flip, why does it apply to me instead of a VT that doesn't get invested.

Because you'll be a black hole with all the reasonable shade you have around you.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Aaaand I'm leaving now.

[Havo]

If you say so.

humaneatingmonkey

Also, I'm in Venice Florida, so I'm about 8 hours from direct Irma hit, so...y'know, maybe don't expect much from me in the next 48 hours?
I already V/LAed with the mod, but just so you guys know also.

Wow! Stay safe and good luck.

[Havo]

Hello peeps. Looking forward to a good and active game.

[Havo]

I have zero experience with a Miller best I can remember. The site I used to play at never used them that I recall.

So Wiki says they are a negative role and usually used to counter or lessen the power of the town cop. And the correct play is to claim early although it's debatable.

And I think a good argument has been made by both sides or at least I can see both sides.

I would hate to have to resolve the slot in LyLo tho. But my gut says scum wouldn't do this on D1.
As the Wiki says the claim usually gets lynched or night killed anyway. Or maybe that was one of you guys that said it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Hard yes or hard no, or resolve your doubts with a discussion.

[Virtuoso]

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