Mini Normal 1950 [Engame: Mafia Victory!]

[Chip Butty]

VOTE: Chip Butty

I'm done trying lol

LUV, necro come vote Chip.

Hi guys!

[Chip Butty]

That other game with Luca is Open 698, if anyone is interested.

[UC Voyager]

LUV

I'm pretty much conf town....because no one else claimed 2Shot JK

[wavemode]

Necro has only one other game on MS. He was town in this game. I've read through it and find his play here is much different. I saw one trollish comment he made in early RVS but the rest of his game is really good, insightful and gamesolving. I even saw a colourful wall post of reads! With reasons!!

Granted it is not a strong meta argument as our sample size is 1 game, however the contrast is so jarring that I can only assume the necro we're playing with here is scum.

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned Necro's transition this game? As I recall, he spent half of D1 trolling everyone, playing what Morality termed "to scummy to be scum that he's obv town;" But in a bizzare 180 on his previous behaviour, he starts trying to work with me to game solve. I'm not entirely sure if the timing is significant (or alludes to potential buddies), but his behaviour seemed to change after my Morality push fell to pieces. In hindsight I see it as opportunism to pocket me for one of two potential purposes:

First, if I was lynched, he would get town cred for reading me correctly/or defending me
Second, it was an attempt to divert me away from a scum buddy and manipulate my vote to further his scum agenda.

I did address the first issue with him in D1 to which he responded with ignorance of any potential benefits existing. The second issue I played along with to gather more info because I couldn't get anything more than null from reading him. Notice how he kept pushing Acid as a scum read but in the final VC, he's got Acid voting Chip (who he was also pushing as scum) and now Acid is magically dead with what looks like a smoking gun in Chip's hands.

My lynchpool for D2 is {Necro, Morality, UnaH}

If necro is not an appealing lynch to town today I'd like to know where everybody elses reads are atm.

Well considering I was just Sherlock fucking Holmes in friends and enemies I'm willing to believe such a change in playstyle is possible while being town in both games

Bottom line I think is that game took place over the summer and I put more effort (And, granted, I was a mason and basically unlynchable, so I said whatever I felt like lol)

Though a meta dive like this usually comes from town - and I've also been reconsidering as I don't think scum!Cheeky kills acid there

[wavemode]

I hard claim vanilla cop. There's no point getting you guys to cover me.

? What was the point of this

[wavemode]

I agree with the long deadlines thing unfortunately.

I like being able to play reasonably well even when I have school and work

But I think shortening the Normal deadline from 2 to 1 week would be reasonable, even for casuals like me

Prod at 24 hours, replace at 36

[wavemode]

LUV is a lot more useful the Zulfy was

[CheekyTeeky]

What’s the case on Chip again?

He scum claimed on pg 49. Then tried to turn it around on me. Read the interaction and tell me thats not TvS.

Also he still hasn't given thoughts on Morality vs Vanders which he said he would look into twice. How hard is it to read a page and give thoughts?

[Rhah]

Any fucking day now. Gas on this wagon please.

[Flairs]

Vote Count 2.3

Chip Butty (2): CheekyTeeky, Rhah
necro (1): UC Voyager
Morality (1): Vanderscamp
Vanderscamp (1): Morality
wavemode (1): necro

Not voting (5): sheepsaysmeep, Zulfy, wavemode, UnaBombaH, Chip Butty

With 11 alive, it will take 6 to lynch.
UnaBombaH is being prodded.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2017-10-29 17:00:00).

[Morality]

You and Cheeky are the only ones on me.

I'm on the right track, this whole fiasco has proved that to me. You might as well lynch me because I'm death tunneling Morality. If town thinks he's town then get rid of me because I'm only going to get in the way of any other wagons and try to bring it back here.

This sort of play usually backfires fwiw.

How? Will I get lynched? Coz that's kinda what I'm asking for.

And I don't know if anyone would give you the advice of trying to get yourself lynched because your direction in the game was temporarily stymied.

I'm saying I'm not budging or lynch me. I'm not saying I give up lynch me.

These statements are a little weird for me, as why say this kind of thing if you are a PR.

However, it doesn’t make sense to claim Vanilla Cop as scum right there, as you would eventually be going 1v1.

Then I thought of the potential you claiming Vanilla Cop as VT, hoping the actual Vanilla Cop realizes this.

However, you could have done that as scum.

I’m generally thinking you wouldn’t be so bold as to do that, so I’m going to assume you are VT claiming Vanilla Cop to take the night kill.

However, now scum is going to take that into consideration and might not kill you, so if you are the Vanilla Cop, you’re safe. Hopefully you figure out what I mean here.

[CheekyTeeky]

Wtf is wrong with you people. Why are you disproving my claim instead of scumhunting?

[CheekyTeeky]

3 people have tried to disprove my claim which I believe is anti-town and thus more likely scum motivated. Chip, Wave and Morality.

[Chip Butty]

CT, I told you we were talking past each other. What happened on p49 is me trying to tell you not to make me say I thought you were probably VT fakeclaiming. I didn't at any point try to make out you are scum. The comedy thing here is nobody seems to be realising that EVERY claim under the hypo cop scheme is a vanilla cop hardclaim, so your "hardclaim" hardclaim didn't add anything new.

That is why i don't really think you are conftown. I was hoping more people would be able to comment before all this got explained, but i think Morality is probtown based on his response. Wave too, i think. Rhah's response i think might be frustrated town.

[Rhah]

There may be a theory that supposes Little Uzi Vert replaced into a scumslot.

[Rhah]

Okay, I take that back.

[Chip Butty]

Tentative PoE time:

Leaning town:
UCV: uncountered JK claim, though I'm not sure all slots have posted since.
necro: probably wouldn't have wanted an acid kill
Morality, CT, Wave: recent interaction based around CT's hardclaim
Rhah: ditto, in a more roundabout way


That leaves:
Zulfy/LUV
Luca/sheep/?
Vander
UnaH

[Chip Butty]

Final Vote Count

Porkens (7): sheepsaysmeep, UnaBombaH, necro, Chip Butty, UC Voyager, Vanderscamp, Rhah

LYNCH

UnaBombaH (3): wavemode, CheekyTeeky, Porkens
Chip Butty (1): acidphoenix
Rhah (1): Zulfy
Vanderscamp (1): Morality

Not voting (0):

With 13 alive, it will take 7 to lynch.

Three of those four were on the Porkens wagon, which seems too many. Sheep started the wagon and stuck with it, so looks slightly better imo. Zulfy was off, so looks slightly worse. Vander in a classic bussing position.

Okay, gonna re-read paying special attention to these...

[CheekyTeeky]

Rhah, UCV
Necro, LUV, Sheep, Vander
UnaH, Morality, Wave, Chip - lynch pool

[wavemode]

3 people have tried to disprove my claim which I believe is anti-town and thus more likely scum motivated. Chip, Wave and Morality.

When did I do that

[wavemode]

Also, VOTE: Unabombah

[Rhah]

Khahfjkfkdkjjsbhshd

[UC Voyager]

Rhah, UCV

Necro, LUV, Sheep, Vander
UnaH, Morality, Wave, Chip - lynch pool

Cool. Just take a few out

Notice how all three of my scum reads happen to be there


UnaH, Necro, Morality

(:

[Morality]

Hopefully you figure out what I mean here.

Obviously this wasn't the case with Cheeky...

[Morality]

because I wasn't trying to disprove it at all. But you ruined that whole thing.